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Old 09-09-2019, 09:17 AM   #1
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Default Donald Trump is YOUR President.

Get over it!

And get use to it because he will get re-elected.

Then you will have to endure the hardships Trump is smashing you with for another 4 years!


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Im sure this is how you felt about Obama at this point in his presidency right???
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Im sure this is how you felt about Obama at this point in his presidency right???
Are you talking about the 401K crash and $4/gal gas?
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Are you talking about the 401K crash and $4/gal gas?
Or, like your plan, keep your plan.
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Then you will have to endure the hardships Trump is smashing you with for another 4 years!
Hardships..haha. These cocky little racist white liberals don't have a friggin clue what hardships are. But they sure are dead set on finding out.
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Divert sheep divert!!! Our president is a mighty fine shepherd.
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I'd say he's a **** sight better "shepherd" as you call him than his predecessor was. For the VAST majority of AMERICANS, we have more money in our pockets, and better services all the way round, and if the demoKrauts would work with him, he'd make us more secure and a lot safer. That however doesn't fit their sell out, give-away agenda.



I don't personally "like" the man, but I absolute like what he is doing for our country as opposed to the former cow-tow in chief who hated his country and told the American public flat out he intended to "fundamentally change America"... Far as I'm concerned, it didn't need fundamentally changing and I support this current President's efforts to undo as much as he can what his predecessor did.
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Divert sheep divert!!! Our president is a mighty fine shepherd.
If he went on an apology tour, would you warm up to him? Maybe he could trash our LEO's a little more?
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I do believe Obama holds the record on most gun sales as president. I’m sure Ms. Clinton would of been responsible for much more if she had won.
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Divert sheep divert!!! Our president is a mighty fine shepherd.
Then make your case for Obama, Barrett. This president has done more than the past five admins combined. All while being fought from both sides. But I’m willing to hear you make your case. What did Obama accomplish?
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I recall a few short years ago the left complaining about criticism of Obama and saying we should respect the office even if we didn't like the officeholder.

How quickly they forget.
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Then make your case for Obama, Barrett. This president has done more than the past five admins combined. All while being fought from both sides. But I’m willing to hear you make your case. What did Obama accomplish?
He accomplished division and promoted racism.
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Are you talking about the 401K crash and $4/gal gas?
Yea those plus allowing men to use women's restrooms....
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Dude, if your 401k crashed during the Obama presidency you need a new investment strategy.
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Dude, if your 401k crashed during the Obama presidency you need a new investment strategy.
Please!!!!! I know democrats who say the stock market tanked under Barry and they voted for the idiot..
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Im sure this is how you felt about Obama at this point in his presidency right???
Yes it is. I didn’t like the man, despised most of his policies, but he was my president. It is what makes America the greatest place on earth, we duly elect our officials and can voice our disapproval. But they are still our duly elected officials
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Are you talking about the 401K crash and $4/gal gas?
Or how about your health insurance premiums tripling in cost and covering less.

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There are two sides. Ours dropped 300% because we had one person that was really sick.
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There are two sides. Ours dropped 300% because we had one person that was really sick.
That goes against conventional wisdom and you know it. The vast majority of Americans have been financially harmed by it but you want to raise your hand and say it helped me. That not good policy and you know it and if you don't you should.

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It is called pooling of groups. Should have been allowed before, but it wasn't legal. Yeah it helped. So did being able to keep my son on my policy till 26.

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Please!!!!! I know democrats who say the stock market tanked under Barry and they voted for the idiot..
Can you define tanked? The stock market went up almost 150% while Obama was in office. I mean come on dude.
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How many times have we covered this. There are some exceptions, such as a couple of things Nixon pulled, but for the most part economic cycles are not controlled by presidential politics. It doesn't stop them from taking credit or shedding blame. BTW Stock market charts above seem accurate.
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Can you define tanked? The stock market went up almost 150% while Obama was in office. I mean come on dude.
You are a great American and Obama is just as proud of you as you are of him.

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How many times have we covered this. There are some exceptions, such as a couple of things Nixon pulled, but for the most part economic cycles are not controlled by presidential politics. It doesn't stop them from taking credit or shedding blame. BTW Stock market charts above seem accurate.
It’s a chart meant to mislead. It’s based off percentages. From 10,000 to 12,000 it would be up 20%. From 20,000 to 22,000 it’s only up 10%. Still increases by 2000 points, but the first one looks much better on a chart.
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Can you define tanked? The stock market went up almost 150% while Obama was in office. I mean come on dude.


Well when it is in the tank like it was it had nowhere to go but up. It shows the resolve of the American economy in spite of his best efforts to cripple or at least stifle its growth.


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How many times have we covered this. There are some exceptions, such as a couple of things Nixon pulled, but for the most part economic cycles are not controlled by presidential politics. It doesn't stop them from taking credit or shedding blame. BTW Stock market charts above seem accurate.
I pretty much agree with you. It’s frustrating when so many on this site (and our President himself) tout the stock market and employment gains as a rallying cry as to why he is so great when by most measures the economy under Obama was at least as good if not better. And yes, The Obama economy started in the crapper so there was pretty much nowhere to go but up, but using that line of thinking shouldn’t we blame Bush for driving it into the dirt? For the record, I believe fault for the 2008 crash goes at least back to the Clinton administration and possibly as far back as Reagan, so no I don’t blame Bush, at least not totally.
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I pretty much agree with you. It’s frustrating when so many on this site (and our President himself) tout the stock market and employment gains as a rallying cry as to why he is so great when by most measures the economy under Obama was at least as good if not better. And yes, The Obama economy started in the crapper so there was pretty much nowhere to go but up, but using that line of thinking shouldn’t we blame Bush for driving it into the dirt? For the record, I believe fault for the 2008 crash goes at least back to the Clinton administration and possibly as far back as Reagan, so no I don’t blame Bush, at least not totally.


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I pretty much agree with you. It’s frustrating when so many on this site (and our President himself) tout the stock market and employment gains as a rallying cry as to why he is so great when by most measures the economy under Obama was at least as good if not better. And yes, The Obama economy started in the crapper so there was pretty much nowhere to go but up, but using that line of thinking shouldn’t we blame Bush for driving it into the dirt? For the record, I believe fault for the 2008 crash goes at least back to the Clinton administration and possibly as far back as Reagan, so no I don’t blame Bush, at least not totally.
I think it's just fine to want to claim credit for taking a good stock market to another level. Just like it's fine for Obama to claim credit for turning an economy that's in the crapper into something good.

I think the entire stance goes back to when Obama claimed Trump couldn't do any of this unless "he waved a magic wand." That was a jab, and I blame Trump 0% for wanting to bash the opposition over the top of their heads with the success. They all deserve every bit of it. So many dump on Trump for his rhetoric. But, after all the things that were said about him, continue to get said about him, and he proves the opposite, my rhetoric would be pretty dang salty too.

I don't worry about what the guy says, I worry about his actions. The quicker everyone gets out of their feelings and starts looking at the results, the better off we will all be for it. The guy isn't a politician and he never will be. Which is a lot of the reason he was elected. I'd much prefer the guy that is direct and tells me exactly how he feels vs. the guy that is nice to my face then stabs me in the back the moment I turn around. We've had wayyyy too much promising to do this, promising to do that, then doing absolutely nothing at all when they gain the ability to create change. People have had enough. They'll happily sacrifice some mean tweets and name calling to accomplish the goal. Even if they don't agree with the way the President talks sometimes, or a lot of the time.
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I'll admit, the $9 Trillion dollars obomo added to our debt was great for our country......
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It's easy to name things Obama screwed up. Real life things. And I think you know it.

All I've seen as negatives against Trump are either made up things, personal things, or small things exaggerated beyond belief.

For over 2 years I've seen the questions asked countless times Why do you hate Trump? And never, not once have I seen a logical reply.

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Then make your case for Obama, Barrett. This president has done more than the past five admins combined. All while being fought from both sides. But I’m willing to hear you make your case. What did Obama accomplish?
Better yet state what Trump is doing that's so bad.
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It’s frustrating when so many on this site (and our President himself) tout the stock market and employment gains as a rallying cry as to why he is so great when by most measures the economy under Obama was at least as good if not better.
Just curious, policy wise, what do you think Barry did to stimulate the economy and job growth?
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Just curious, policy wise, what do you think Barry did to stimulate the economy and job growth?
American Recovery and Reinvestment Act of 2009
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Without looking it up, was that the “shovel ready jobs” and all the money invested in clean energy companies that are no longer in business?
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Without looking it up...is that the one where we gave $500,000 to study shrimp on a treadmill?
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President Obama’s political allies—the very people who are gathered in Charlotte, North Carolina, last week to nominate him for another term in the White House—are “doing fine.” It’s not difficult to understand why. The President has directed billions of dollars in government giveaways their way. Far from creating jobs, these grants and loan guarantees merely shelled out payoffs to the politically connected. Bundlers for President Obama’s 2008 campaign have been generously rewarded at the expense of taxpayers. A host of companies—from Solyndra to First Wind to BrightSource Energy to Fisker—benefited simply because their shareholders backed the right candidate or they hired a well-placed lobbyist.

Given this context, it is easy to understand the President’s comments in Virginia where he declared, “If you’ve got a business,” he said, “you didn’t build that. Somebody else made that happen.” President Obama has a confused view on the way the marketplace works. When he looks at small business, he doesn’t see the backbone of the American economy. He sees a group of people who owe the government. Is it any wonder that such a philosophy would lead to cronyism and government intervention in the marketplace?


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Better yet state what Trump is doing that's so bad.
Setting the precedent for a Republican(or any President) to use executive action for gun control measures. "Bump stock ban".

Don't get me wrong, I will vote for whoever is the Republican Presidential candidate. But he has muffed as much as he has hit. NC, Tweeting about the **** tariffs, tweeting about the Fed... He has been he own enemy on the stock market. People leaving and getting fired constantly.
But still better than a Clinton.
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Setting the precedent for a Republican(or any President) to use executive action for gun control measures. "Bump stock ban".

Don't get me wrong, I will vote for whoever is the Republican Presidential candidate. But he has muffed as much as he has hit. NC, Tweeting about the **** tariffs, tweeting about the Fed... He has been he own enemy on the stock market. People leaving and getting fired constantly.
But still better than a Clinton.
So, bad optics and hurt feewins? Got it.
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So, bad optics and hurt feewins? Got it.
Yeah as a gun owner I tend to dislike the bend over and take it feeling when it comes to gun rights. And the optics of making my stuff become illegal

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I must have missed it......bump stocks?
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I must have missed it......bump stocks?
Yep. and the right to own them. But hey, it's Trump, so it must be OK. He knows what is best.
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Then make your case for Obama, Barrett. This president has done more than the past five admins combined. All while being fought from both sides. But I’m willing to hear you make your case. What did Obama accomplish?
It is not the point to make a case for Obama, the point that most of you don't understand is that your hypocrisy is blatantly obvious. RR tells folks who do not care much for Trump to "get over it" and accept that he is OUR president, which I always have, despite my opinion about whether or not I disagree with what he is doing. Obamas accomplishments have nothing to do with the original post.
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Yep. and the right to own them. But hey, it's Trump, so it must be OK. He knows what is best.
Bump stocks....really? That's your argument? Silly.
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Yes it is. I didn’t like the man, despised most of his policies, but he was my president. It is what makes America the greatest place on earth, we duly elect our officials and can voice our disapproval. But they are still our duly elected officials
Well said, thank you for your patriotism.
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It's easy to name things Obama screwed up. Real life things. And I think you know it.

All I've seen as negatives against Trump are either made up things, personal things, or small things exaggerated beyond belief.

For over 2 years I've seen the questions asked countless times Why do you hate Trump? And never, not once have I seen a logical reply.



Better yet state what Trump is doing that's so bad.
What he is doing has absolutely nothing to do with him being OUR president. This is how our country is made up, two sides who think the other is wrong and a larger section of those in the middle who recognize that its not always left or right but in the end every president belongs to US.
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I pretty much agree with you. It’s frustrating when so many on this site (and our President himself) tout the stock market and employment gains as a rallying cry as to why he is so great when by most measures the economy under Obama was at least as good if not better. And yes, The Obama economy started in the crapper so there was pretty much nowhere to go but up, but using that line of thinking shouldn’t we blame Bush for driving it into the dirt? For the record, I believe fault for the 2008 crash goes at least back to the Clinton administration and possibly as far back as Reagan, so no I don’t blame Bush, at least not totally.


I can’t say I totally disagree with this. Not sure how far back it goes but Bush definitely did not help things. He started the kindling and Obama threw the gas on it.

Again I think that shows the resolve of the American economy. Short term pain will come along but Capitalism allows it to flourish even with outside influences that may not be friendly to it.


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I can’t say I totally disagree with this. Not sure how far back it goes but Bush definitely did not help things. He started the kindling and Obama threw the gas on it.

Again I think that shows the resolve of the American economy. Short term pain will come along but Capitalism allows it to flourish even with outside influences that may not be friendly to it.


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Yea Mike, take a look at the oil and gas industry for a prime example.... Obummer did everything he could to cause this industry to collapse. He killed infrastructure projects (ie: Keystone Pipeline and others), banned key areas to drilling and production, poured on burdensome restrictions, etc., etc... The oil and gas industry thrived IN SPITE of him NOT because of him. Now, it's quite the opposite... we (especially Texas) are producing oil and gas to our own detriment... Plus new reserves are being found almost weekly to carry us well into the future...
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Bump stocks....really? That's your argument? Silly.
Yeah those silly American rights removed by executive orders(One person deciding the rights of the whole country by the stroke of pen).... Just silly.
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Yeah those silly American rights removed by executive orders(One person deciding the rights of the whole country by the stroke of pen).... Just silly.
But you were happy about Obamacare. Yup. Silly.

The right to a bump stock. LOL
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