2019 Dallas Cowboys season thread....

[GA Bowhunter]

My opinion on Dak? He ain't the answer if your question is who is getting us another ring.
He would have made a great back up to Romo.

[Jcjohnson]

Dak is betting on himself to outplay a 30/m contract. Gotta love his confidence.but really 30!?? He had a long way to go last time I seen him play

[12RingKing]

https://www.google.com/amp/s/syndica...ually.amp.html

Here’s the article I read.

[Dale Moser]

Originally Posted by drop dead fred

One would think if these numbers are true they don’t plan on resigning zeke. Which i don’t care about zeke, but my goodness what on earth do they see in dak to justify this!? Jerry just wants to be right more than win... he wants to be like see told ya Garrett was the one (he’s wasted a decade on the clapper)... see i told ya that late q.b draft pick i got was the one!


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Give me a legitimate option to replace Dak..


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[Dale Moser]

Originally Posted by drop dead fred

Oh absolutely, but i don’t believe dak to be an above avg qb that has any leverage. I don’t see anyone in the open market paying that so it would lead me to believe the cowboys are bidding against themselves.

This is where you are wrong.


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[drop dead fred]

Originally Posted by Dale Moser

Give me a legitimate option to replace Dak..


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So you pay DAK 30 mil for 5 years what do you see that the majority doesn’t? Just cause at this very moment there’s not another option? Trade zeke for a first rounder then give yourself an opportunity to find one or go get a vet till then...


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[drop dead fred]

Originally Posted by Dale Moser

This is where you are wrong.


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No this is where youre wrong...


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[Dale Moser]

Originally Posted by drop dead fred

No this is where your wrong...


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You havnt been paying attention..

If Dak has a year similar to the one he had last year, with a little bit of improvement, teams will be lined up to pay him $30 million plus. That is a fact.


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[drop dead fred]

Originally Posted by Dale Moser

You havnt been paying attention..

If Dak has a year similar to the one he had last year, with a little bit of improvement, teams will be lined up to pay him $30 million plus. That is a fact.


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Which teams? Certainly not a contender


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[Dale Moser]

Originally Posted by drop dead fred

So you pay DAK 30 mil for 5 years what do you see that the majority doesn’t? Just cause at this very moment there’s not another option? Trade zeke for a first rounder then give yourself an opportunity to find one or go get a vet till then...


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Trade Zeke for a first rounder? Are you dense? You’d be lucky to get a 4th right now!

What available vet do you want to go get?

30 mil is gonna be cheap in 2 years.


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[Dale Moser]

Originally Posted by drop dead fred

Which teams? Certainly not a contender


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He doesn’t care if it’s a contender!


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[drop dead fred]

Originally Posted by Dale Moser

Trade Zeke for a first rounder? Are you dense? You’d be lucky to get a 4th right now!

What available vet do you want to go get?

30 mil is gonna be cheap in 2 years.


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Dak has two years on a contract and there’s teams that would love to have him an sign long term. There’s plenty of vets out there

Name a team that would sign dak to a 30 mil contract.... these are gonna be some dumpster fire organizations you’re about to list


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[drop dead fred]

Originally Posted by Dale Moser

He doesn’t care if it’s a contender!


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I’m talking about from an organization stand point give a dam what dak wants... he’s not a 30 mil qb avg QBs don’t make 30 mil only elite QBs get that or dumpster orgs that are desperate for a signal caller.


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[bownut]

Originally Posted by Dale Moser

You havnt been paying attention..

If Dak has a year similar to the one he had last year, with a little bit of improvement, teams will be lined up to pay him $30 million plus. That is a fact.


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^^^^^this

[drop dead fred]

There’s a possibility for Rosen, dalton, Carr, heck maybe even Goff, and I’m sure several more that may hit the market one way or the other. Not including what may come up in the draft you could try an get. All better options than paying dak 30mil cause Jacksonville, jets, Washington, and other teams of the like will pay it.... and that’s why they are where there are as an org. Being dense would be paying a mediocre q.b elite money cause in a few years it’ll be “cheap” hell in a few years dak maybe cut at this rate. So in the mean time let’s pay dak,zeke,cooper 70mil per and play them all both ways


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[12RingKing]

Originally Posted by Dale Moser

You havnt been paying attention..

If Dak has a year similar to the one he had last year, with a little bit of improvement, teams will be lined up to pay him $30 million plus. That is a fact.


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This is true.... evidence is Kirk Cousins

[drop dead fred]

Originally Posted by 12RingKing

Thus us true.... evidence is Kirk Cousins

Perfect example let’s take the redskins approach


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[12RingKing]

Btw... all y’all talking 30M a year are off.... Dak wants 35 a year. That’s expensive for an above average QB.

[drop dead fred]

Originally Posted by 12RingKing

Btw... all y’all talking 30M a year are off.... Dak wants 35 a year. That’s expensive for an above average QB.

Exactly he TURNED DOWN 30 mil!


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[Dale Moser]

Originally Posted by drop dead fred

Dak has two years on a contract and there’s teams that would love to have him an sign long term. There’s plenty of vets out there

Name a team that would sign dak to a 30 mil contract.... these are gonna be some dumpster fire organizations you’re about to list


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There are exactly zero vets out there who can play. Any who can will not see the market. That’s exactly why QBs are being over payed, and running backs are not.




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[drop dead fred]

Originally Posted by Dale Moser

There are exactly zero vets out there who can play. Any who can will not see the market. That’s exactly why QBs are being over payed, and running backs are not.




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And dak can play? We’re gonna gamble on an “if he improves” they’re being overpayed by bad teams. Plain and simple daks not worth that, and if he gets his 35mil+ that contract along with his play will tank this team...


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[Dale Moser]

Originally Posted by drop dead fred

There’s a possibility for Rosen, dalton, Carr, heck maybe even Goff, and I’m sure several more that may hit the market one way or the other. Not including what may come up in the draft you could try an get. All better options than paying dak 30mil cause Jacksonville, jets, Washington, and other teams of the like will pay it.... and that’s why they are where there are as an org. Being dense would be paying a mediocre q.b elite money cause in a few years it’ll be “cheap” hell in a few years dak maybe cut at this rate. So in the mean time let’s pay dak,zeke,cooper 70mil per and play them all both ways


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You’re just ****ing with us now. Your answer is Rosen, Dalton, and Carr?

I don’t even know where to start...

Rosen hasn’t shown ****, as soon as he does, he will get payed. And Dalton Suuuucks, Carr has one good year and won nothing.



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[Dale Moser]

Originally Posted by drop dead fred

And dak can play? We’re gonna gamble on an “if he improves” they’re being overpayed by bad teams. Plain and simple daks not worth that, and if he gets his 35mil+ that contract along with his play will tank this team...


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Where do you rank Dak right now? 1-32...?


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[drop dead fred]

Originally Posted by Dale Moser

You’re just ****ing with us now. Your answer is Rosen, Dalton, and Carr?

I don’t even know where to start...

Rosen hasn’t shown ****, as soon as he does, he will get payed. And Dalton Suuuucks, Carr has one good year and won nothing.



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Lmao your acting like I’m comparing them to Aaron Rodgers I’m comparing them to the measuring stick of dak.....


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[drop dead fred]

Originally Posted by Dale Moser

Where do you rank Dak right now? 1-32...?


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On skills alone not the fact of the team he has around him?


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[drop dead fred]

I got him 20-21st if we’re going off sheer ceiling/talent (taking into consideration rookies/sophomores)

Wbu?


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[Dale Moser]

Originally Posted by drop dead fred

On skills alone not the fact of the team he has around him?


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On being a quarterback in the NFL.




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[drop dead fred]

I’d also pick mayfield, Stafford, Newton, darnold over dak any day... so there’s the stats he’s 17th at his best yup let’s pay him top 3 money

Heck I’d even put alex smith over him. So he’s in the bottom 1/3 of the league in being a q.b.

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[txwhitetail]

Dallas is screwed at QB they are stuck with Dak. They should have drafted/traded for someone prior to now to try and have someone in the pipe.

Need to dump Zeke and get another DE.


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[Dale Moser]

Oh, well hell, just go get Mayfield then! They’d probly be glad to deal the number 1 overall pick...He will get 40 in 2 or 3 years.

It doesn’t matter where the contract would rank right now, it doesn’t matter one bit… It’s the cost of replacing him.

It doesn’t matter who you would take ahead of him… all that matters is what you can get your hands on to replace him, and what that would cost.

Your list says 17, I’d go closer to 14, but whatever. A bunch of those guys are about to retire in the next 4 years, some will prove unworthy of those rankings, some new ones will move in and get PAYED!

In 3 years Dak will be a deal at 32 mil, that’s how the QBs market works.

Darnold, Dalton, Carr, and Smith...good lord..


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[drop dead fred]

Originally Posted by Dale Moser

Oh, well hell, just go get Mayfield then! They’d probly be glad to deal the number 1 overall pick...He will get 40 in 2 or 3 years.

It doesn’t matter where the contract would rank right now, it doesn’t matter one bit… It’s the cost of replacing him.

It doesn’t matter who you would take ahead of him… all that matters is what you can get your hands on to replace him, and what that would cost.

Your list says 17, I’d go closer to 14, but whatever. A bunch of those guys are about to retire in the next 4 years, some will prove unworthy of those rankings, some new ones will move in and get PAYED!

In 3 years Dak will be a deal at 32 mil, that’s how the QBs market works.

Darnold, Dalton, Carr, and Smith...good lord..


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Lmao dude facts say he’s 17th in the league and there’s several below him that gms would take before him. good lord you act like he’s Tom Brady scoffing about comparing him to darnold Carr smith etc.... hell in 3 years he may be cut! You’re talking just as many what ifs etc etc atleast my option doesn’t marry us to a bottom of the barrel qb for the foreseeable future after our line has aged tremendously, but hey go right ahead there snyder give him the moon!


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[Dale Moser]

Newton May come available, he’ll want 34 or more at what 30 years old?

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[drop dead fred]

Originally Posted by Dale Moser

Newton May come available, he’ll want 34 or more at what 30 years old?

E


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If i had to gamble 30 mil I’d rather gamble on newton for 3-4 years than dak that’s just me though


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[Dale Moser]

Your FACTS say Rodgers is 16th...

Of the 16 ahead of him, 11 are going to retire where they are, or get a lot more than 30 mil where they are. Watch.

Several guys below him will get over 30, some will get a lot more.

At 17th, the market bears that he will get 30+, doesn’t matter what I think or you think. They have no option to better him without overpaying an old guy, or tanking into the low first round. Oh yeah, don’t forget that age..


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[drop dead fred]

Originally Posted by Dale Moser

Your FACTS say Rodgers is 16th...

Of the 16 ahead of him, 11 are going to retire where they are, or get a lot more than 30 mil where they are. Watch.

Several guys below him will get over 30, some will get a lot more.

At 17th, the market bears that he will get 30+, doesn’t matter what I think or you think. They have no option to better him without overpaying an old guy, or tanking into the low first round. Oh yeah, don’t forget that age..


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I can name 16-20 guys better than him for the next 2-3 seasons... that’s an eternity in nfl


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[12RingKing]

Originally Posted by Dale Moser

Where do you rank Dak right now? 1-32...?


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From 15-18

[drop dead fred]

So we all agree he’s avg at best... if elite will be 40 mil daks worth 35?


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[Dale Moser]

Originally Posted by drop dead fred

I can name 16-20 guys better than him for the next 2-3 seasons... that’s an eternity in nfl


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And maybe 4 will be available in the next 3 years and they’ll get 34+ by then.




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[drop dead fred]

Originally Posted by Dale Moser

And maybe 4 will be available in the next 3 years and they’ll get 34+ by then.




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Ya and 12 May come available in the draft so

Facts state he’s an avg to below avg qb...

He’s replaceable

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[Dale Moser]

Originally Posted by drop dead fred

So we all agree he’s avg at best... if elite will be 40 mil daks worth 35?


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I ain’t sayin I’d go 35 right now, but top 13-15 is gonna get that within 3 years. The QBs market is weird man..32 jobs and about 20 dudes worthy. Worse guys than him are gonna get more than him in the next year.



Oh ****, I just realized Dak played at Miss St...


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[Jcjohnson]

Good thing is, he’s there. has a year to prove What he’s worth to the cowboys. Gonna be interesting. All eyes will be on him with the run support he will have without zeke... if he shows up.

[drop dead fred]

Originally Posted by Dale Moser

I ain’t sayin I’d go 35 right now, but top 13-15 is gonna get that within 3 years. The QBs market is weird man..32 jobs and about 20 dudes worthy. Worse guys than him are gonna get more than him in the next year.



Oh ****, I just realized Dak played at Miss St...


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I totally understand your point market is what market is.... if it was me i wouldnt be talking anything money wise till after this season. I’m just stating what I’d do i know what dak is id gamble on finding someone that can keep the ship afloat till i found a long term guy that I’d be willin to justify that money to.

Lmao that game holds very little weight in my judgement .... “very little”


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[Dale Moser]

Originally Posted by drop dead fred

Ya and 12 May come available in the draft so

Facts state he’s an avg to below avg qb...

He’s replaceable

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12 in the next three years? That’s a reeeaaach! But say they do...6 will be taken top 15, one or two others would have to be flyers. You wanna finish bottom 15 or hope to get lucky? Maybe overpay in the draft to move up?

I understand your points, and I may overate him some. But you have to stop ignoring the nature of the quarterback market, especially guys who can take you to the playoffs, are under 25, and who you can actually get.


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[Dale Moser]

Which first rounder did Miami trade for from Arizona? Word is he can’t beat Fitzy out for the starting job...


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[quackerback]

Originally Posted by drop dead fred

Perfect example let’s take the redskins approach


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You are taking the redskins approach. They let cousins go. And signed an aging vet

[drop dead fred]

Originally Posted by Dale Moser

12 in the next three years? That’s a reeeaaach! But say they do...6 will be taken top 15, one or two others would have to be flyers. You wanna finish bottom 15 or hope to get lucky? Maybe overpay in the draft to move up?

I understand your points, and I may overate him some. But you have to stop ignoring the nature of the quarterback market, especially guys who can take you to the playoffs, are under 25, and who you can actually get.


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My theory of vet sign is a small window till you can draft a guy... cowboys could be in that 15-20 range in the next two years or close enough to make a move without giving the farm. I totally understand the market, and all I’m saying is I’d rather gamble on getting another cheaper vet qb till i found another one equal/better in the draft on a rookie contract or via free agency. We’re seeing more an more QBs playing Into their late 30s and beyond. If dak was an above avg qb flirting with solid then I’d say it prolly is what it is, and say it’s just the way it is....... butttttt he’s not so.


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[drop dead fred]

Originally Posted by quackerback

You are taking the redskins approach. They let cousins go. And signed an aging vet

4 years 94 mill is not the contract I’m talking about

I’m talking 2 years 40 mill (20 mill per) opposed to 35 mill per for the same player....

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[quackerback]

I am not a Dak fan but I will give him a chance being away from Scott Linehan.

[Smart]

Originally Posted by Dale Moser

Which first rounder did Miami trade for from Arizona? Word is he can’t beat Fitzy out for the starting job...


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Josh Rosen.....the spoiled brat prima-donna from UCLA

[Smart]

Originally Posted by drop dead fred

My theory of vet sign is a small window till you can draft a guy... cowboys could be in that 15-20 range in the next two years or close enough to make a move without giving the farm. I totally understand the market, and all I’m saying is I’d rather gamble on getting another cheaper vet qb till i found another one equal/better in the draft on a rookie contract or via free agency. We’re seeing more an more QBs playing Into their late 30s and beyond. If dak was an above avg qb flirting with solid then I’d say it prolly is what it is, and say it’s just the way it is....... butttttt he’s not so.


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Jerry doesn't have time to play games or chances. He wants another SB before he kicks off. I'm afraid he going to go all in on Dak because he may not have 3-5 years to groom another one.