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Old 08-06-2018, 02:20 PM   #1
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Default Talent is equally distributed, but opportunity is not?

This is the mindset that is emerging...

Heard this on a commercial from an institute of "higher learning". We're in big trouble if this is truly what academia is brainwashing our future with. SMH.

"The world in which we live equally distributes talent but it doesnt equally distribute opportunity and paths are not always the same..."

This was on a commercial for Southern New Hampshire University.

Nothing about hard work or effort
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Old 08-06-2018, 02:24 PM   #2
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Everybody knows its who you know.

Hard work will take you far, of course, but opportunity is absolutely a thing.
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Old 08-06-2018, 02:28 PM   #3
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Everybody knows its who you know.

Hard work will take you far, of course, but opportunity is absolutely a thing.
So are varying degrees of talent, intelligence, work ethic, etc...

The answer is D. All of the above.
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Old 08-06-2018, 02:29 PM   #4
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Everybody knows its who you know.

Hard work will take you far, of course, but opportunity is absolutely a thing.
Who did Lebron know?
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Old 08-06-2018, 02:31 PM   #5
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Everybody knows its who you know.

Hard work will take you far, of course, but opportunity is absolutely a thing.
Said every loser out there. Always have an excuse
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Old 08-06-2018, 02:37 PM   #6
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That's why it's up to responsible parents to teach their kids the truth.
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Old 08-06-2018, 02:40 PM   #7
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Who did Lebron know?
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Old 08-06-2018, 02:43 PM   #8
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Work ethic is key to a job or career in all fields. Having a degree in basket weaving, ballroom dancing and hamburger flippin' won't get you too far either. Having a marketable talent in a high demand field would be my recommendation.
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Old 08-06-2018, 02:49 PM   #9
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Default Talent is equally distributed, but opportunity is not?

Somebody has *** backward thinking there.

Everyone has opportunity. Not everyone has ability.




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Old 08-06-2018, 02:56 PM   #10
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Said every loser out there. Always have an excuse
I said hard work will take you far ?

Losers say that ?
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Old 08-06-2018, 02:56 PM   #11
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So are varying degrees of talent, intelligence, work ethic, etc...

The answer is D. All of the above.
Completely agree
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Old 08-06-2018, 03:14 PM   #12
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I said hard work will take you far ?

Losers say that ?
Don’t take words out of your own mouth.

FIRST you said “Everybody knows it is who you know.”
THEN you said “hardwork will take you far.”


Knowing the right people takes hardwork to establish and maintain those connections and leverage them to one’s benefit. I know people born with a silver spoon in their mouth, and all of daddy’s connections at their disposal and squander it all because they didn’t work to cultivate the relationship. Conversely I know folks who came from nothing, knew nobody and WORKED to ask for introductions, didn’t allow fear to paralyze them from going to speak to a powerful person eating at a restaurant (while he was working as a busboy), and joined organizations and associations so they could foster relationships.

Hardwork beats talent and will pave the way to “who you know.”
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Old 08-06-2018, 04:03 PM   #13
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I don't think there is any question that opportunity is not evenly distributed. Why else would we hold in such high regard those who "came from nothing" and became successful? I am all for doing what we can to provide more opportunities to anyone with ambition, work ethic and the discipline to delay gratification.
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Old 08-06-2018, 04:07 PM   #14
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There is a built in fix within the idea of America for opportunity disparity. It is the ability to create your own opportunity. However, an overbloated government has all but destroyed that.
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Old 08-06-2018, 04:29 PM   #15
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Southern New Hampshire University is just playing to their customer base. The vast majority of their students are either people who dropped out of college and want to finish a degree years later or never went to college in the first place and are trying to start a degree later in life. Of course they’re going to market to them.

It’s like a weight loss commercial saying “Do you just not have time to workout or eat healthy?”
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Old 08-06-2018, 05:12 PM   #16
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Hmmm I can't draw a straight line with a ruler therefore, all this paper on my desk giving me opportunity to draw sumpin ain't gonna mean nothing.
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Old 08-06-2018, 05:13 PM   #17
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Those of us who are doing well like to think of it all as hard work and talent, those of us who aren't think of it as luck or "knowing people".

I like to think it's a mix of hard work, talent, luck, timing, and the ability to sell yourself.

-Hard work and talent are obvious
-Luck, because life is not fair: the universe doesn't care about you no matter how great you are
-timing, because asking your boss for a promotion when your company is having a record bad year isn't the best idea.
-selling yourself: no one is going to think you're anything but worthless unless you can convince them otherwise.

Equality of opportunity or talent is a myth made up by people who wish the world was a better place than it is. Just like the phrase "all men are created equal". Biggest lie ever sold.

edit: but everyone is capable of working hard, though plenty refuse to.

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Old 08-06-2018, 05:49 PM   #18
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This is the mindset that is emerging...

Heard this on a commercial from an institute of "higher learning". We're in big trouble if this is truly what academia is brainwashing our future with. SMH.

"The world in which we live equally distributes talent but it doesnt equally distribute opportunity and paths are not always the same..."

This was on a commercial for Southern New Hampshire University.

Nothing about hard work or effort
This university is advertising aggressively to promote its online programs, which have expanded to over 80,000 students -- rivaling for-profit programs such as Western Governors University. The model uses competency-based programs rather than traditional hours-based curricula. They have also won approval by the U.S. Dept. of Education for these programs, making federal employees eligible to get various degrees there.

What they are marketing is opportunity, and they just got exposure on our site.
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Old 08-07-2018, 04:30 AM   #19
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Southern New Hampshire University is just playing to their customer base. The vast majority of their students are either people who dropped out of college and want to finish a degree years later or never went to college in the first place and are trying to start a degree later in life. Of course they’re going to market to them.

It’s like a weight loss commercial saying “Do you just not have time to workout or eat healthy?”
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Old 08-07-2018, 06:19 PM   #20
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This university is advertising aggressively to promote its online programs, which have expanded to over 80,000 students -- rivaling for-profit programs such as Western Governors University. The model uses competency-based programs rather than traditional hours-based curricula. They have also won approval by the U.S. Dept. of Education for these programs, making federal employees eligible to get various degrees there.

What they are marketing is opportunity, and they just got exposure on our site.
I realize it is a marketing message. Marketers don’t just toss a message out in hopes that it connects with the target audience. The message was crafted out of market research that indicates this is an emerging sentiment. And the university is validating it

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Old 08-07-2018, 06:51 PM   #21
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Talent isn’t distributed evenly for a long list of reasons. Probably not PC to say, but that’s just the way it is.

Opportunity most certainly isn’t spread evenly, either. Lots of folks are born with a huge advantage. I don’t believe that should be held against those priviledged or lucky folks in any way, because most of it has to do with solid parenting. I do believe that to whom much is given, much is required.

I feel very grateful for having a normal raising and good luck so far in life. As I get older I realize that there are so many folks that just never had a very good shake at really making much for themselves. There are a lot of really hard working folks around here that just won’t ever have much and it is a sad deal. They don’t have the opportunity. I do what I can help those folks as much as I can.

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Old 08-07-2018, 06:54 PM   #22
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I realize it is a marketing message. Marketers don’t just toss a message out in hopes that it connects with the target audience. The message was crafted out of market research that indicates this is an emerging sentiment. And the university is validating it
You're not wrong, but I think the marketing is targeted to those who may not have started or completed degrees, working at jobs they feel less than fulfilled by. It's a self-validating claim to some, who see the non-traditional degrees much more practical and expedient than years of college courses racking up hours to graduate. It's an easier opportunity for those thinking their talents have been overlooked or undervalued. I don't necessarily feel that research will bear out that the broader premise in the thread title is exactly an emerging sentiment. Just stating it doesn't make it so.
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Old 08-08-2018, 08:46 AM   #23
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Opportunities abound. Every crisis in life is an opportunity.
Examples:
You had the opportunity to NOT dry fire your bow. What did you learn?
You had the opportunity to NOT vote for Obama. What did you learn?

See what happens when you blow a good opportunity
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Old 08-08-2018, 11:14 AM   #24
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Opportunity is what you make of the day when you crawl out of bed
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Old 08-10-2018, 01:44 PM   #25
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SNHU and most of the "universities" who advertise the computer based degrees are pandering to people who are on the government teat already. A lot of these folk have good intentions, I'm sure, but lack the drive to complete the work necessary to earn a degree. Most use government backed loans for the schooling so the "colleges" have no incentive to see them get a degree. They will be paid whether the degree is earned or not.
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