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Old 06-04-2018, 04:49 PM   #1
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Is anyone else here on TBH a Private Pilot or work for the airline company/private companies? I am about 12 hours in and about to solo, I have been studying but need to start taking practice test. I am looking for the next step and the difficulty of becoming an airline pilot or a company pilot.

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Old 06-04-2018, 05:04 PM   #2
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The only difficulty is financial ( in becoming an airline or company pilot)
Get that instrument as soon as you can
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Yakfishin is. He could prolly answer your questions.
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What's your age? Is being a pilot really what you want to do? The pay sucks for many years so get use to being less than a fast food worker. I have a bunch of old study materials I will give you if you promise to pass it on to the next person. I am on the private side and I would never go to the airlines.

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Old 06-04-2018, 05:32 PM   #5
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You need many, many,many multiengine commercial hours. Best way to get that is military There is a school in Fla believe it is Embry Riddle University where you can acquires the nevessary ratings, but not the significant flight time required.
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Ive been flying for 40+ years and echo all the above. First, no matter what do not stop till you get an instrument ratingThere is a shortage of pilots now so if this is a passion might work for you.

My perspective on airlines vs corp. is somewhat slanted but airlines are great way to build hours though to me isn't much more than a glorified taxi driver...at least initially. I've known many airline capts. and few that really loved it.

Corp. depends so much on who you work for, their flight philosophy and experience and personality . Can be a great gig in the right environment .Not so great if owners don't understand aviation. Irrespective expect to spend lots of time away from home.

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Ive been flying for 40+ years and echo all the above. First, no matter what do not stop till you get an instrument ratingThere is a shortage of pilots now so if this is a passion might work for you.

My perspective on airlines vs corp. is somewhat slanted but airlines are great way to build hours though to me isn't much more than a glorified taxi driver...at least initially. I've known many airline capts. and few that really loved it.

Corp. depends so much on who you work for, their flight philosophy and experience and personality . Can be a great gig in the right environment .Not so great if owners don't understand aviation. Irrespective expect to spend lots of time away from home.

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I like staying small I fly a 2017 cirrus. Flown a citation for a while but went back. Like you said above depends on who you work for. I love my job now only fly(work) about six days a month and I'm on salary. I know some airline pilots that are captains that make great money, but they are gone all the time. To be honest flying is not a passion for me. Used to work on them in the military and decided if I can work on them I can fly them.
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You need many, many,many multiengine commercial hours. Best way to get that is military There is a school in Fla believe it is Embry Riddle University where you can acquires the nevessary ratings, but not the significant flight time required.
Yes you do on hours, but that might be changing soon with the shortage of pilots. I to recommend going to a university. That puts you one step ahead and most majors require a degree
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I have been doing it for 38+ years. All the above is good advice. Keep going until you have your instrument then find a way to build hours for your commercial.

The airline vs. corporate discussion has been going on for a long time. Right now the airlines have a big advantage in salary. Layoffs were a big issue with them in the past but not so much now or probably in the future. Like elgato said, corporate can be a good career depending on who you work for. Not as much money but better quality of life.

Your first big hurdle will be the commercial/instrument ratings so you can start getting paid for flying. Next will be multi-engine rating and finding someone to give you some multi and turbine experience.
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Old 06-07-2018, 04:11 PM   #10
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Thanks for all the input, I have a degree but in business management. I would love to fly for a corporation or something small the being away from family is something I am not interested in.

I am close to gaining my license currently and just keep working towards it.
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I got to 13hrs and at solo. Ran out of free time to finish. I swear I will someday
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Who are you going through? I’ve been researching different schools and want to start. Im almost 33 so I know I’m starting late
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Working on PP as well. About to finish up. I looked into ATP as I'd like to fly for a living. It's always been a passion of mine. Just can't imagine leaving my current job and making less than half I am now. No matter how much I love it, I've got bills to pay. Good luck to you, OP.

I will add that the written is a breeze. I spent $500 on a prep class and nearly killed myself studying the material. Got to the test and answered 40 of 50 without a doubt. Went back and worked on the ten I skipped and walked out with a 94. If there is a section that you are unsure of, don't worry too much about it. Clear it up with your instructor for practical purposes but don't worry about it on the test. Odds of being asked multiple questions on the same topic are slim. Airspace, Airspace, AIRSPACE!

If you're absolutely sure, look into ATP (Assuming Embry Riddle is out of the question). The course takes about 9 months from zero time. Total cost ( beginning with <80 logged hours) is about $75k (for the package with most multi- hours) and there are limited locations. You get your license/ratings (single-, multi-, commercial, CFI, CFII) and build hours by instructing for them once you are competent. Then they help with regional airline placement.

That was the way simplified version but worth a google. Despite having an ATP school location 2 miles from me, I just can't make it work. The 6 months while you are training is a full-time job. You will be either in class or in the air 10 hours a day M-F. At least that's what I was told. Seeing the ATP instruction planes flying over all day kills me. It's just not meant to be though.

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I ran out of money just after finishing ground school. I always thought I would go back and finish but I never did.

I was in high school and my summer and part time jobs couldn't keep up with the costs.

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Being a corporate pilot...or any commercial pilot for that matter...and not wanting to be away from home probably won't work.
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I'm a private pilot but that's not really relevant. I've worked for American Airlines for 28 years as an A&P.
If you want to fly for a living, don't screw around. If your not focused you'll have fun and spend a bunch of money but never reach your goal.
Sign up with a college program and get it done. Once your CFI/CFII you can build time on other students' dime instructing. It typically takes about $30-40k from start to finish but will give you a chance to have a great career.
Not sure where your at but I would recommend the program at Southeastern State University at Durant Ok.

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If you want to fly for a living, don't screw around. If your not focused you'll have fun and spend a bunch of money but never reach your goal.
Yup... After college, I was paired up with a cute instructor. I don't even know what I spent but after ~30hrs of her and I flying around, I was nowhere close to prepared for the check ride. 4 years later, here I am trying to knock it out. I really regret fooling around and not getting it done.
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Yup... After college, I was paired up with a cute instructor. I don't even know what I spent but after ~30hrs of her and I flying around, I was nowhere close to prepared for the check ride. 4 years later, here I am trying to knock it out. I really regret fooling around and not getting it done.
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If I knew you better, I'd assume that was a joke Lol. CFI. Maybe CFII. At the time SHE had just graduated from school and was a new instructor.
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If I knew you better, I'd assume that was a joke Lol. CFI. Maybe CFII. At the time SHE had just graduated from school and was a new instructor.
Sorry dude...couldn't help it! Nothing more exciting that a hot FEMALE flight instructor!

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Lol couldn't tell if you misread the post and were asking a legit Q or if you were joking around. Again "If I knew you better..." Lol
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I'm a private pilot but that's not really relevant. I've worked for American Airlines for 28 years as an A&P.
If you want to fly for a living, don't screw around. If your not focused you'll have fun and spend a bunch of money but never reach your goal.
Sign up with a college program and get it done. Once your CFI/CFII you can build time on other students' dime instructing. It typically takes about $30-40k from start to finish but will give you a chance to have a great career.
Not sure where your at but I would recommend the program at Southeastern State University at Durant Ok.

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An old coworker of mine got his start from SOSU and is a private pilot now. I have heard nothing but great things about their aviation program.
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An old coworker of mine got his start from SOSU and is a private pilot now. I have heard nothing but great things about their aviation program.
Same here. Good friend of mine went through that program and does pretty well for himself now. He went the private jet route and hauls around some pretty famous people from time to time. I think he likes it but it is a job like anything else. And not much of a set schedule. Lots of time away from home.
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I did ATP through private, went from a 6 figure job to wanting to be a pilot (age 30), after getting a true idea of how long it would take to get back to the same salary range and a decent life work balance I decided to go back to my old job. I am married with 2 girls, just didnt work out for me. I paid cash as I went but the total program was supposed to take around 9 months to get all certifications and cost around $80,000, It is very tough until you get your instrument rating because the restrictions (ceilings, wind speed, ect) are so strict you do a lot of sitting around waiting for good weather. I would only recommend it if you are young and dont have a family. If you are wanting to go straight to the airlines it is the best and quickest route to get your hours as they guarantee you an instructor spot once you finish, pay is nothing, and they dont guarantee where the instructor position will be. I would think really hard about doing it. If you have any questions you can PM me. My best friend is a Capt. at United and he makes very good money (light at the end of the tunnel) but he tells me all the time he wishes he could be home every night more than anything.
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I was amazed at the low pay starting out for pilots. It is one of the only (professional) jobs that I know, that make fast food type wages. Just doesn't compute with me, but I guess it comes down to supply/demand and pilots needing so many hours before they can get a decent gig.

I know my friend started out flying for some of these oil/gas pipelines. Apparently they have to fly down their pipelines very often to make sure there are no leaks, problems, etc...
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I started flying in high school, soloed at 16 and got my private at 17. I immediately trained for my Instrument, then Multi, then Commercial before I was a junior at A&M. CFII before graduating. I got my ATP soon after my 23rd birthday. Training and rentals were a lot cheaper back then. I flew corporate and freight for a few years after instructing until 9/11 and losing sight in my right eye derailed my career. Itís an awesome way to make a living, but you better have a strong woman at home. Airline Induced Divorce Syndrome, AIDS, is a real thing!

I got a waiver for one eyed pilot in Ď12 and just fly for myself now. The passion still wonít let go of my heart.

Study the material and dedicate at least a few flights a week and you can train quickly and efficiently. PM me if you need something.

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I was amazed at the low pay starting out for pilots. It is one of the only (professional) jobs that I know, that make fast food type wages. Just doesn't compute with me, but I guess it comes down to supply/demand and pilots needing so many hours before they can get a decent gig.

I know my friend started out flying for some of these oil/gas pipelines. Apparently they have to fly down their pipelines very often to make sure there are no leaks, problems, etc...


When I was an instructor there was a sign at the local Racetrac gas station for a manager position that made $5 more an hour than I was making! The freight job didnít pay more either.

I used to tell people that if a pilot screws up there are hundreds dead, if a doctor screws up there is one dead. Why is the pay so different?
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Thanks for all the input, I have a degree but in business management. I would love to fly for a corporation or something small the being away from family is something I am not interested in.

I am close to gaining my license currently and just keep working towards it.

"Pilot" and "home every night" don't really go together
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If you want to fly for a living, don't screw around. If your not focused you'll have fun and spend a bunch of money but never reach your goal.
Sign up with a college program and get it done. Once your CFI/CFII you can build time on other students' dime instructing. It typically takes about $30-40k from start to finish but will give you a chance to have a great career.
Not sure where your at but I would recommend the program at Southeastern State University at Durant Ok.

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My son just finished his freshman year in SOSU's aviation program. He'd Never flown a plane (as pilot in command) unti Sept. 2017. Completed his private pilot license in Jan of this year and just recently completed the first phase (manuvers) of his Commercial License. He is now working on the cross country phase. If all goes well he will have his commercial and instrument rating by this October. In less than one year he has went from -0- hours to 106 hours off flight time. He absolutely loves it and is leaning strongly toward the airline side of the industry. It's a great industry to get into right now. I have a few friends that went the same route 25 years ago. They now have great careers, both captains at major airlines now, but they had to make major sacrifices at the beginning of their career that now don't have to be made due to the pilot shortage.
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Another option may be military. You finish with a commercial equivalent. You donít spend a penny, yes you have a commitment, but the opportunity to fly the assortment of jets that the Navy/AF/Marines one is pretty cool.

I plan on exploring commercial options here in a few years and also transfer to the guard or reserves to hopefully continue towards a military retirement.
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I use Fly With Robert out of Fort Worth Spinks Airport. He has a pretty good crew of instructors that I have learned a lot from. The airport is located off 1187 and 35 just North of Burleson.

They are reasonably priced as well from the research that I did.
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Another option may be military. You finish with a commercial equivalent. You donít spend a penny, yes you have a commitment, but the opportunity to fly the assortment of jets that the Navy/AF/Marines one is pretty cool.

I plan on exploring commercial options here in a few years and also transfer to the guard or reserves to hopefully continue towards a military retirement.
I tried that route but was unsuccessful. I got my degree in business and they would not accept anything unless it was a flight degree from a college or an engineering degree... I spent 6 years as a reservist and got my degree at the same time.
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My son just finished his freshman year in SOSU's aviation program. He'd Never flown a plane (as pilot in command) unti Sept. 2017. Completed his private pilot license in Jan of this year and just recently completed the first phase (manuvers) of his Commercial License. He is now working on the cross country phase. If all goes well he will have his commercial and instrument rating by this October. In less than one year he has went from -0- hours to 106 hours off flight time. He absolutely loves it and is leaning strongly toward the airline side of the industry. It's a great industry to get into right now. I have a few friends that went the same route 25 years ago. They now have great careers, both captains at major airlines now, but they had to make major sacrifices at the beginning of their career that now don't have to be made due to the pilot shortage.
This is exactly how it works. Congratulations on your sons progress.
My best friends son just finished his CFII there. He is instructing for them now. He made a commitment with Envoy and will start with them once he's done with training.


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I started flying in high school, soloed at 16 and got my private at 17. I immediately trained for my Instrument, then Multi, then Commercial before I was a junior at A&M. CFII before graduating. I got my ATP soon after my 23rd birthday. Training and rentals were a lot cheaper back then. I flew corporate and freight for a few years after instructing until 9/11 and losing sight in my right eye derailed my career. Itís an awesome way to make a living, but you better have a strong woman at home. Airline Induced Divorce Syndrome, AIDS, is a real thing!

I got a waiver for one eyed pilot in Ď12 and just fly for myself now. The passion still wonít let go of my heart.

Study the material and dedicate at least a few flights a week and you can train quickly and efficiently. PM me if you need something.

That is a FINE tricked out Baron. What is the screen in the middle of the windscreen? Surely you don't have sun vis?? Do you?
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That is a FINE tricked out Baron. What is the screen in the middle of the windscreen? Surely you don't have sun vis?? Do you?
I could be wrong but I think that is a defroster when conditions get a little icy.
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Old 06-19-2018, 09:38 AM   #44
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Nice Baron (I think). My bil and sister live in Corsicana. Maybe I could get a ride sometime! I'll buy the gas and cheeseburgers! Of course it would have to be a short ride! $$!

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Old 06-19-2018, 09:38 PM   #45
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I will be around and working at Houston ARTCC the whole month of July. Send me a text or give me a call and we can set up a good time for a tour. You must be a US citizen and have a valid ID. Mark Johnson 832-260-1326

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Old 06-19-2018, 11:52 PM   #46
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Itís been fun so far, I had some helicopter time and I got lucky and the SO had two spots open and an instructor on staff. So I get my training at work and I get to fly a lot of call outs. No fix wing time for me all helicopter.


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Old 06-20-2018, 11:33 AM   #47
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I will be around and working at Houston ARTCC the whole month of July. Send me a text or give me a call and we can set up a good time for a tour. You must be a US citizen and have a valid ID. Mark Johnson 832-260-1326

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Too heck with the tour! How bout a ride!

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Old 06-23-2018, 04:43 PM   #48
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Since some of you are showing off your rides thought I would post mine. No afterburner and the wing is fixed but still good transport. Having been on all sides of aviation I like this spot the best.
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Thatís an awesome machine Rusty
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Old 06-23-2018, 10:29 PM   #50
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I use Fly With Robert out of Fort Worth Spinks Airport. He has a pretty good crew of instructors that I have learned a lot from. The airport is located off 1187 and 35 just North of Burleson.

They are reasonably priced as well from the research that I did.
Robert is a good guy, shame his other cessna went away. I know that plane all too well.
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