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Old 01-10-2018, 04:07 PM   #1
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AUSTIN Ė A roadkill white-tailed deer collected by Texas Parks and Wildlife Department personnel on U.S. Highway 87 between Dalhart and Hartley has tested positive for chronic wasting disease. This marks the first discovery of CWD in a Texas roadkill and the first case in a Texas Panhandle whitetail.

ďThe roadkill was found along the border between the current CWD Containment Zone and Surveillance Zone, and as a result will likely necessitate a precautionary expansion of the Containment Zone,Ē said Dr. Bob Dittmar, State Wildlife Veterinarian with TPWD. ďWe do not believe thereís a need to expand the Surveillance Zone at this time.Ē

TPWD staff will present a proposal detailing the expansion of the Containment Zone during the TPW Commissionís Jan. 24 public hearing. The proposed expansion of the Containment Zone will not result in any new requirements for hunters or landowners unless they are engaged in a permitted activity such as moving live deer.

The disease was first detected in the Panhandle in 2015 when a mule deer buck tested positive during routine CWD surveillance.

Additional information about CWD is available on the TPWD web site
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Old 01-10-2018, 04:12 PM   #2
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That sucks.
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Old 01-10-2018, 04:13 PM   #3
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This should get fun quickly..
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Is this the first positive test found this year?
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Old 01-10-2018, 04:15 PM   #5
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I wondered if they tested road kill. We saw a road kill doe last month outside Hondo that was painted with orange paint. I assumed it had been tested?
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I did see check stations up there a few weeks ago.
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That's all I need now to go along with Antler Restrictions! Sheez!
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Old 01-10-2018, 04:53 PM   #8
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I wondered if they tested road kill. We saw a road kill doe last month outside Hondo that was painted with orange paint. I assumed it had been tested?
I've seen some bucks with black spray paint and wondered
what that was about.They were on 277 going to Bronte
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Old 01-10-2018, 04:58 PM   #9
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Does that mean they will go kill every free range deer within a mile of where this was found?If it was in a high fence they would kill everything on the farm.
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disgusting, thank you deer farmers...
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Old 01-10-2018, 05:01 PM   #11
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Not that is matters but I thought the mule deer with CWD were found in West texas?
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Makes you wonder how long it has actually been around and are we just now seeing cases because they are testing extensively...
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Old 01-10-2018, 05:05 PM   #13
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disgusting, thank you deer farmers...


you do know that Colorado game and fish started the ball rolling by shipping infected deer all over the western half of the US and into Canada???? Wasn't/hasn't been just deer farmers and high fence owners.
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disgusting, thank you deer farmers...
It has been around long before high fences.....this statement makes you sound uniformed
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Makes you wonder how long it has actually been around and are we just now seeing cases because they are testing extensively...
been in existance since mid 60's when Colorados' wildlife research station at Ft Collins set the disease in motion...then spread infected deer around.
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Bossbowman please educate yourself before you make an ignorant statement.
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Old 01-10-2018, 05:09 PM   #17
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Justin, I wouldn't call Bossbowmans comment ignorant. dang near ALL of CWD infected deer movement was in a trailer behind a truck going to a high fence of some sort.
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disgusting, thank you deer farmers...
My ranch isnít far from there. How many deer farmers you think are in dalhart? I canít even keep cattle fences up in the winter with tumble weeds and snow drifts, canít image 8í

Next someone will blame GMO corn
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Dang GMO corn
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Justin, I wouldn't call Bossbowmans comment ignorant. dang near ALL of CWD infected deer movement was in a trailer behind a truck going to a high fence of some sort.
Really you obviously not spent much time in eastern CO and Western Kansas.

Calling CWD in high plains panhandle a product of deer farming is idiotic at best.

Like I said earlier better off blaming GMO corn or Blk foot ferret release or even the Cimmaron grassland 70’s elk release
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Dang GMO corn
I’m going with Blackfooted ferret re-introduction, reverts blame back to feds.

Now that we killed all those invasive honey bees up there and can’t pollinate our corn...

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Old 01-10-2018, 05:28 PM   #22
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I've seen some bucks with black spray paint and wondered
what that was about.They were on 277 going to Bronte
I meant to post a thread asking about it and never did. This doe was on the side of 90 between hondo and dhanis. Her whole belly was orange in road construction orange
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I’m still wondering how it ended up in Norway if it has only been spread in the back of a trailer.

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My ranch isnít far from there. How many deer farmers you think are in dalhart? I canít even keep cattle fences up in the winter with tumble weeds and snow drifts, canít image 8í

Next someone will blame GMO corn
So what you're saying is no trailered deer ever introduced CWD to a new herd in a different area.
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been in existance since mid 60's when Colorados' wildlife research station at Ft Collins set the disease in motion...then spread infected deer around.
It was first identified in this high fence setting.....
The prion precursor protein genetic sequence is found in multiple deer species.

So what you are telling me is that the Colorado Dow created transgenic deer and caused this.....


My take it is a naturally occurring phenomena. And the prevalence has increased with the increase in keeping deer in pens. And also allowing deer to survive to a longer age in the wild and pens
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Old 01-10-2018, 05:48 PM   #26
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I've seen some bucks with black spray paint and wondered
what that was about.They were on 277 going to Bronte
Dang thatís my area. Maybe Iíll text the GW and see whatís up with that.
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Old 01-10-2018, 05:51 PM   #27
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well hopefully they can eradicate every single last deer in the county, before it kills a bunch of deer.
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Old 01-10-2018, 06:09 PM   #28
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It has also been in western Kansas for a while now. So, it has probably been in the WT herd in that area of Texas for a while now.
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That sucks!

It almost certainly came to Arkansas on a trailer....
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It has also been in western Kansas for a while now. So, it has probably been in the WT herd in that area of Texas for a while now.
Probably for 10s of thousands of years....
We just have the means to identify it and are looking for it.


Remember it wasnít until the 50s that scientists discovered the structure of DNA......
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It was first identified in this high fence setting.....
The prion precursor protein genetic sequence is found in multiple deer species.

So what you are telling me is that the Colorado Dow created transgenic deer and caused this.....


My take it is a naturally occurring phenomena. And the prevalence has increased with the increase in keeping deer in pens. And also allowing deer to survive to a longer age in the wild and pens
Don't act like you know something about genetics...



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Probably for 10s of thousands of years....
We just have the means to identify it and are looking for it.


Remember it wasn’t until the 50s that scientists discovered the structure of DNA......
I was told by a well known biologist in South Texas back in early 2000's when CWD was a storm up in Wisconsin, that it has more than likely been here in Texas for a while. They just were not looking for it. Coyotes were the only thing looking for it since they do not let an easy free meal go very often. They will kill/eat it no matter what is wrong with it. I fully agree about how long it has been around, we are just in the cycle for it show up now since they are looking for it.

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Soy based wiring and 30wt ball bearings to blame. It’s all ball bearings these days.
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My biologist told me last year that he had heard studies are underway to see if feral hogs could be a carrier. I never asked him who or where the studies was.
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Dang thatís my area. Maybe Iíll text the GW and see whatís up with that.
The paint was on the head and rack
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So what you're saying is no trailered deer ever introduced CWD to a new herd in a different area.
No what I’m saying it’s idiotic at best to blame CWD That at a minimum could be mapped(with historical Co and KS testing) walking it’s way from CO to KS to Okla to TX high plains area and blame it on deer breeders. And that’s assuming it hasn’t always been there, after all tx panhandle only started testing two years ago

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I was told by a well known biologist in South Texas back in early 2000's when CWD was a storm up in Wisconsin, that it has more than likely been here in Texas for a while. They just were not looking for it. Coyotes were the only thing looking for it since they do not let an easy free meal go very often. They will kill/eat it no matter what is wrong with it. I fully agree about how long it has been around, we are just in the cycle for it show up now since they are looking for it.
^^^^this.

But non the less it wasnít ďdropped offĒ out side of Dalhart in a corn circle.
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Probably for 10s of thousands of years....
We just have the means to identify it and are looking for it.


Remember it wasnít until the 50s that scientists discovered the structure of DNA......
you need to do a little reading up on Beth Williams and the mule deer research at Ft Collins in the mid 60's and Beth Williams later research into the sick deer at the Foothills Wildlife Research Station at Ft Collins. And the release of those sick deer north of Ft Collins and the shipping of infected deer to a bunch of high fence places, other research stations, and several zoos.
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you need to do a little reading up on Beth Williams and the mule deer research at Ft Collins in the mid 60's and Beth Williams later research into the sick deer at the Foothills Wildlife Research Station at Ft Collins. And the release of those sick deer north of Ft Collins and the shipping of infected deer to a bunch of high fence places, other research stations, and several zoos.


I will most definitely look up some articles when I get some free time. I got a couple research grant deadlines that are occupying all of my time.

But the PrP is a conserved gene across a large swath of mammalian species. Now the infectious isoform that is found in Colorado May have been generated artificially because of the sheep pens. But protein misfolding and generation of infectious prions do occur spontaneously. And must be naive to think that there are not some spontaneous creations of the infectious isoform


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The Aggie Doc has some very good points and seems to be well informed. If y'all get him to fired up he won't be able to explain it to where I will be able to understand it.
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No what Iím saying itís idiotic at best to blame CWD That at a minimum could be mapped(with historical Co and KS testing) walking itís way from CO to KS to Okla to TX high plains area and blame it on deer breeders. And thatís assuming it hasnít always been there, after all tx panhandle only started testing two years ago
I'm sure that was a tongue-n-cheek statement insinuating deer breeders caused cwd by the bossbowman.........but without a doubt breeder facilities have helped spread cwd to different locations.
In my opinion, there are no where near enough regulations on breeding facilities. I hope TPWD continues to crack down on them.
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I'm sure that was a tongue-n-cheek statement insinuating deer breeders caused cwd by the bossbowman.........but without a doubt breeder facilities have helped spread cwd to different locations.
In my opinion, there are no where near enough regulations on breeding facilities. I hope TPWD continues to crack down on them.
What do we do with all the exotics walking around? What about cattle? I could go on you know.
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What do we do with all the exotics walking around? What about cattle? I could go on you know.
I wasn't aware cwd effected cattle?

You are absolutely right about the exotics, many of the places who buy the trailered deer release them in areas that contain exotics. All the better reason to stop the human movement of infected animals.

Why chance it? Over 1300 breeder operations in Texas. That would take a ton of resources for regulation. You cant trust the farmers to do it.

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Lets stop with the name calling as that will solve nothing.

CWD is here and measures need to be taken to slow down the spread. There is no doubt that it will hurt a lot of people financially, but the damage to nature could be irreversible. I personally think that feeders should be banned. Hate on me all you want but gathering deer at feed pens will increase the spread.
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Lets stop with the name calling as that will solve nothing.

CWD is here and measures need to be taken to slow down the spread. There is no doubt that it will hurt a lot of people financially, but the damage to nature could be irreversible. I personally think that feeders should be banned. Hate on me all you want but gathering deer at feed pens will increase the spread.
Have you do you support banning the breeding facilities also?
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Have you do you support banning the breeding facilities also?
Basically any and all things that can accelerate the spread need to be looked at including breeder facilities. Not sure if a total ban needs to instituted but certainly additional regulation need to be set in place.

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My take it is a naturally occurring phenomena. And the prevalence has increased with the increase in keeping deer in pens. And also allowing deer to survive to a longer age in the wild and pens
I am no PhD, but this is what it sure seems like to me too. Similar to the way that as humans live longer and longer, the likelihood of cancer grows.

We identify new species every day, why wouldn't we continue to discover diseases?
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