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Old 10-20-2019, 04:03 PM   #101
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Nope and I couldn’t kill them either .
LOL. I see what you did there.

Let's say you wanted to kill/cull, or in this case, eat, all the Dilly Bars at your place in order to get rid of them, but the shop next door keeps shipping them over. The only thing you accomplished was getting fat.
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How about I slow it down for you.... you are not culling, culling in wild life management emphasizes you're killing deer to improve your genetic makeup.

It has nothing to do with numbers. You're killing not culling. Do I need to send you a few managment 101 books on recording, because it seems your interpretation skills are lacking.

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Wha?

Wrong.
You’re one of the ones I hoped to see comment. Disregard the BS and share your thoughts please sir.
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Old 10-20-2019, 04:38 PM   #104
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Old 10-20-2019, 04:41 PM   #105
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I'm not going to get into the debate about culling/ killing and whether or not you should or shouldnt, but I'll throw this picture out there just because. This is the progression from 2014 to 2015. Some would have culled him in 2014 and would have missed the opportunity at a beautiful buck in 2015 and beyond.

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Old 10-20-2019, 05:11 PM   #106
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I'm not going to get into the debate about culling/ killing and whether or not you should or shouldnt, but I'll throw this picture out there just because. This is the progression from 2014 to 2015. Some would have culled him in 2014 and would have missed the opportunity at a beautiful buck in 2015 and beyond.

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And you think that’s the same deer why?
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Old 10-20-2019, 05:12 PM   #107
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2 threads I have no desire to respond to anymore....culling and is a .223 big enough for....
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Old 10-20-2019, 05:20 PM   #108
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I shoot spike.....I shoot......deer
I dumb cause I dont have ghost trailer mirrors and I dont have light bar.
I want to be cool but I like mustard.on my biscuits
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I shoot spike.....I shoot......deer
I dumb cause I dont have ghost trailer mirrors and I dont have light bar.
I want to be cool but I like mustard.on my biscuits
You’re dumb for a whole lot more stuff than what you listed but I’m glad you’re finally accepting it.
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Old 10-20-2019, 05:42 PM   #110
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And you think that’s the same deer why?
Well the double throat patch is pretty distinct
Unless a lot of his deer have that trait, it’s a pretty good indicator
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Old 10-20-2019, 05:43 PM   #111
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Well the double throat patch is pretty distinct
Unless a lot of his deer have that trait, it’s a pretty good indicator
Eye rings and that are a give away but that’s sure a strange jump. Was asking a serious question.
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Old 10-20-2019, 05:45 PM   #112
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Front legs up to his knees are pretty light too.
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Old 10-20-2019, 05:46 PM   #113
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I want to crash a nascar at 200.....anyone else?
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Try an airplane.
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Old 10-20-2019, 06:02 PM   #115
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No, I didn’t listen to the podcasts.

I think most on here are arguing about a word. It’s just a simple little word that is getting y’all’s feathers ruffled. “Cull” means to “remove”. That’s it. It’s that simple. The reasons to remove can vary. On a lot of places in Texas you have to remove a certain number of bucks and does to reach desired ratios, numbers, etc. So you have to “cull” the herd. LF or HF doesn’t matter. You have to “cull” a certain number of bucks, and you have to “cull” a certain number of does. Simple math really.

It’s just common sense that you will remove bucks with lesser quality antlers and leave the bucks with seemingly more potential. I have NEVER seen a study where a ranch “culled” only 10 point or bigger deer. Wonder why that is? If a ranch needs to cull/remove 20 bucks to hit their numbers, then why not shoot the first twenty bucks you see regardless of antler configuration? If it truly doesn’t matter to the genetic make-up of the herd, then why not? Or better yet why not shoot the top 20 bucks and leave the rest? Is it making sense now?

Maybe we need a new word, like “skim”. Can you “skim” bucks without people getting upset? If I said I shot a skim 5 year old 7 point, would that be better? For the record I hunt both LF and Hf. Our LF isn’t big, but we have been “skimming” the lesser quality antlered bucks and leaving the “big” ones for about 15 years now. Average antler size has gone up. We will continue to “skim” on our LF lease.

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Old 10-20-2019, 06:10 PM   #116
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I'm not going to get into the debate about culling/ killing and whether or not you should or shouldnt, but I'll throw this picture out there just because. This is the progression from 2014 to 2015. Some would have culled him in 2014 and would have missed the opportunity at a beautiful buck in 2015 and beyond.

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I do think it is the same buck because of several traits, including the bobbed tail, but that much gain in 1 year is hard to believe and if its true it is FAR, FAR, from the norm....
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Old 10-20-2019, 06:30 PM   #117
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LOL. I see what you did there.



Let's say you wanted to kill/cull, or in this case, eat, all the Dilly Bars at your place in order to get rid of them, but the shop next door keeps shipping them over. The only thing you accomplished was getting fat.


We couldn’t get rid of them all anyway. We only have so much stomach or in this case, tags... We just would eat as many as we are allowed, throw away the sticks and hope the DQ ice cream maker in the sky spits out some bigger ones every year with the sticks he still has.
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Old 10-20-2019, 06:34 PM   #118
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We couldn’t get rid of them all anyway. We only have so much stomach or in this case, tags... We just would eat as many as we are allowed, throw away the sticks and hope the DQ ice cream maker in the sky spits out some bigger ones every year with the sticks he still has.
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I only read about a page and a half, but I do find it interesting that lots of people here think they can do what trained biologist With tons of resources, money and time cannot. study after study shows you cannot change genetics by culling. not even a little. the studies show that a big buck may pass on less desirable horn genetics and a small buck may pass on larger horn genetics not to mention all the doe contributes. kill what you want to kill, but to me culling is just a way to justify a kill.
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I only read about a page and a half, but I do find it interesting that lots of people here think they can do what trained biologist With tons of resources, money and time cannot. study after study shows you cannot change genetics by culling. not even a little. the studies show that a big buck may pass on less desirable horn genetics and a small buck may pass on larger horn genetics not to mention all the doe contributes. kill what you want to kill, but to me culling is just a way to justify a kill.
SO Why Do Biologist Exists or Why do People Even Go through The trouble to remove Deer?
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Old 10-20-2019, 07:20 PM   #121
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SO Why Do Biologist Exists or Why do People Even Go through The trouble to remove Deer?
people remove deer for tons of reasons.
1. they think culling works
2. they like to kill deer

biologist exist for many reasons also. just because culling doesnt work doesnt mean we dont need people to study deer.

ps I have no clue if you were agreeing or disagreeing with me but my reply is true nonetheless lol

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Old 10-20-2019, 07:22 PM   #122
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I do think it is the same buck because of several traits, including the bobbed tail, but that much gain in 1 year is hard to believe and if its true it is FAR, FAR, from the norm....
I've seen Plenty of Deer Change that Much up and Down in one Yr. No Surprise here

Great Post For Showing What Young Deer Can Do
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Old 10-20-2019, 07:24 PM   #123
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people remove deer for tons of reasons.
1. they think culling works
2. they like to kill deer

biologist exist for many reasons also. just because culling doesnt work doesnt mean we dont need people to study deer.
LOL. All Good. Didn't expect a Good Answer.

Culling By Killing Does work To Improve a Herd. 100% Fact

Its How you Decide to Do it is where the Problem Lies
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Old 10-20-2019, 07:28 PM   #124
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On our 2800 LF place, any buck without brow tines is considered a cull. What do you guys think about that? It’s not my rule, but a lease rule nonetheless. I’m really interested in opinions on this
This is a cull for us, hoping one of my boys will get him. I'm on your side.

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This is a cull for us, hoping one of my boys will get him. I'm on your side.

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how old and what was he Last yr or the Yr before?
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Old 10-20-2019, 07:38 PM   #126
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I've seen Plenty of Deer Change that Much up and Down in one Yr. No Surprise here

Great Post For Showing What Young Deer Can Do
Any pics? HF or LF?
Plus Mexico bucks eating 1,000's of ponds of feed a year is not a good comparison to average LF Texas deer. That's an entirely different sub species..
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Any pics? HF or LF?
Plus Mexico bucks eating 1,000's of ponds of feed a year is not a good comparison to average LF Texas deer. That's an entirely different sub species..
Dang. I don't know Why we all Pray for Rain Every year Then When you Can just Feed Them. Learn Something New Every Day
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You can say cull, kill, shoot , whack, stack, thwack, zip, smoke, run an arra through, let the air out of etc .....but if you say harvest, we cannot be seen in public together.....



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Old 10-20-2019, 07:49 PM   #129
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You can say cull, kill, shoot , whack, stack, thwack, zip, smoke, run an arra through, let the air out of etc .....but if you say harvest, we cannot be seen in public together.....



sorry Shane...
Hey don't drag me back into this , aren't you supposed to be working on your truck?? FOCUS!! Get your head back under that hood where it belongs!
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Old 10-20-2019, 07:52 PM   #130
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Hey don't drag me back into this , aren't you supposed to be working on your truck?? FOCUS!! Get your head back under that hood where it belongs!

I culled a few parts and am resting my back.....
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I'm not going to get into the debate about culling/ killing and whether or not you should or shouldnt, but I'll throw this picture out there just because. This is the progression from 2014 to 2015. Some would have culled him in 2014 and would have missed the opportunity at a beautiful buck in 2015 and beyond.

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I’m not 100% convinced it’s the same deer. Lots have a double throat patch. IF it is the same buck how old did you think he was in 2014? A yearlin? A 2 year old? His small horns could very well have been the result of some other factor than genetics. Or, he could just be one that blew up.
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Old 10-20-2019, 08:36 PM   #132
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how old and what was he Last yr or the Yr before?
We think he's 5, don't recognize him from last year. We don't have monsters but guys in the area have kind of agreed that if they are 4+ and 8pts or less it's a green light.
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Dang. I don't know Why we all Pray for Rain Every year Then When you Can just Feed Them. Learn Something New Every Day
I know exactly why you pray for rain and I also know exactly why you feed them like you do.. Lack of rain and no feed and you may as well stay North of the border..
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I’m not 100% convinced it’s the same deer. Lots have a double throat patch. IF it is the same buck how old did you think he was in 2014? A yearlin? A 2 year old? His small horns could very well have been the result of some other factor than genetics. Or, he could just be one that blew up.
A double throat Patch and a half a Tail. What's The Odds in Two Of Them?
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A double throat Patch and a half a Tail. What's The Odds in Two Of Them?
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I culled a few parts and am resting my back.....
Skimmed.
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I know exactly why you pray for rain and I also know exactly why you feed them like you do.. Lack of rain and no feed and you may as well stay North of the border..

Boy I wish It was All That Easy My Friend. I Have Slowly Learned How Much Feed Is Over Rated. But, That's a Whole Different Story
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Old 10-20-2019, 09:06 PM   #139
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Eye rings and that are a give away but that’s sure a strange jump. Was asking a serious question.
The way I was able to figure it out was the half tail...the double throat patch was my first observation, but they arent few and far between where I hunt. I didnt even realize the deer had half of a tail in 2014, it wasn't until 2015 and I was trying to identify the buck and I watched a video from the previous year and saw the tail. No clue what happened in 2014 that gave him such a weird rack, and then such a symmetrical rack the next.

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Pretty sure he was a 2 year old in 2014. I was hunting in a populated area of Grayson County and not sure what happened in 2014 to cause the lack of horns, or what happened in 2015 that gave him such a pretty rack. Might have been hit by a car...who knows? I just believe there are plenty of young deer from year to year that get shot for one reason or another, mostly junky racks, that could go on to be great bucks, but they never get the chance.

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A double throat Patch and a half a Tail. What's The Odds in Two Of Them?
Geez...sorry I missed the tail.

So it is the same deer. I still gotta think there was something else going on other than genetics.
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Geez...sorry I missed the tail.

So it is the same deer. I still gotta think there was something else going on other than genetics.
Probably injury at some point
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You can say cull, kill, shoot , whack, stack, thwack, zip, smoke, run an arra through, let the air out of etc .....but if you say harvest, we cannot be seen in public together.....



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**** I forgot to add skimmed to the above..
That’s MY word! Use it proudly and wisely. It is NOT to be confused with “cull”.
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Old 10-20-2019, 10:39 PM   #145
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That’s MY word! Use it proudly and wisely. It is NOT to be confused with “cull”.



or killed! Noted!
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That’s MY word! Use it proudly and wisely. It is NOT to be confused with “cull”.
Lets combine them.. "SKULL"
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Old 10-21-2019, 02:10 PM   #147
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Manage for mouths. Of those mouths you are removing, remove mature deer. In the meantime, do your best to maximize nutrition. Age and nutrition. Simple as that.

Cotulla Cowboys (nice one Smart!) will see a bunch six points running around and shoot all them and then the next year tell you how good their culling plan is because they aren't seeing six points. No crap you're not seeing them because they are dead but that doesn't mean that your herd won't continue to throw six pointers.

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Old 10-21-2019, 04:04 PM   #148
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Let me ask you this...you hunt 1300 acres low-fence. You HAVE to kill a certain number of bucks. You have a 5 yr old 82” 7 point and a 5 year old 120” 10 point in front of you. Which one will you shoot? Why? Keep in mind your target age on “trophy” bucks is 8 years old.
What advantage will you get from killing that 7 point over shooting a doe?
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Old 10-21-2019, 04:07 PM   #149
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What advantage will you get from killing that 7 point over shooting a doe?
Because your management plan calls for X amount of bucks to be killed. You probably kill the doe too.
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Old 10-21-2019, 04:09 PM   #150
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Because your management plan calls for X amount of bucks to be killed. You probably kill the doe too.
That is a reason, not an advantage.
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