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Old 01-14-2018, 10:40 PM   #1
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I see that there are already some timers on the market that can be set to go off at the same time in relation to sunrise and sunset everyday but I donít ever hear anything about them. Seems that The Timer is the widely used and fool proof timer but they have to get adjusted a couple times a year to adjust for changing sunrise and sunset.

Anybody have experience with a timer that adjusts automatically all year for the changing sunrise and sunset times?


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Old 01-14-2018, 10:45 PM   #2
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I had one yrs ago that automatically reprogramed itself for daylight savings time.

Then the government changed the dates of DST.

The timer was preprogramed for the old dates for about the next gazillion yrs.

It was a pain in the butt trying to make the adjustment or you would show up and it would be throwing in the dark.
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Old 01-14-2018, 11:04 PM   #3
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I have two of them!! Wish someone would take over the patent
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Old 01-14-2018, 11:06 PM   #4
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I still have an old Kenco 6 volt that is sunrise/sunset related. It will go off usually about 15 minutes after it starts getting light, and then go off one hour before sunset. I can set it from 1 second up to 30 seconds. I’ve had that thing for over 15 years and it has never missed a beat. It’s built like a tank too, solid heavy duty metal.
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Old 01-15-2018, 04:09 AM   #5
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We had three of the old kendo units and they were bullet proof. They were the first feeder motors we bought and ran the them for about 15 years. Unfortunately they were not fire proof and when we lost them when our ranch burned in 2010 we did not go back to a photo cell unit. They would throw 1/2 hour after sunrise and 1/2 hour before sunset.

This ment you did not have feed on the ground for the first hour of legal shooting light which is a bit late and then again for the last hour of it. Also because it auto adjusted based on sunrise/set you never knew exactly when it "should" go off.

I loved there simplicity but not the lack of adjustment
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Google “Cheap Piece of Crap” and you’ll find em.
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Old 01-15-2018, 07:26 AM   #7
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I have one and it has been tuning for two years perfectly.
I never have to reset the clock or adjust feedings as the days get shorter.
Set it and forget it. Game country mechanism.

Time will tell, but as many feeders as I check, this is the least maintenance.

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Old 01-15-2018, 07:36 AM   #8
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Old 01-15-2018, 07:42 AM   #9
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I still have two. Probably close to 20 years old and work great. 4 settings off of a clock timer, 4 settings off of sunrise/sunset with each time has its own feeding duration
I hunt axis in the summer as well so it always goes off at the right time
I'd pay double for the timer cost for more of these
Wish I was smart enough to make and market them
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Old 01-15-2018, 07:42 AM   #10
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Old 01-15-2018, 08:02 AM   #11
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I just set my Texas Hunter feeders for 8:00 A. M. and 5:00 P. M. That works well for me as just because your clock changes doesn't mean the sun changes. I've done it for years and have not been disappointed.
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Old 01-15-2018, 08:17 AM   #12
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Lol!! Theyíll be second. (For a few batches anyway)
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I still have an old Kenco 6 volt that is sunrise/sunset related. It will go off usually about 15 minutes after it starts getting light, and then go off one hour before sunset. I can set it from 1 second up to 30 seconds. Iíve had that thing for over 15 years and it has never missed a beat. Itís built like a tank too, solid heavy duty metal.
I had one as well. great timers and solid as well.

I would take an old magnum dusk/dawn feeder and place a cone over the photo cell, reducing the light to it. That would make the feeder go off earlier in the afternoon.

For simplicity sake, dusk/dawn feeders are pretty good.
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I just set my Texas Hunter feeders for 8:00 A. M. and 5:00 P. M. That works well for me as just because your clock changes doesn't mean the sun changes. I've done it for years and have not been disappointed.
The longer and shorter days are the problem, not DST.
Photo cell depend on brightness of the morning to go off early enough to suit me
The ones that track sunrise and sunset are great for us year around hunters.
Mine is actually set go off twice morning and twice in the afternoon. Early and late morning, and early and late afternoon.

BTW. I also use a lot of tx hunter mechanisms with good luck.
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Old 01-15-2018, 09:50 AM   #15
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I canít for the life of me figure out with technology available why a digital timer canít have an astronomical clock mechanism built into it.


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Old 01-15-2018, 09:53 AM   #16
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sure you could find one...but would probably come at a astronomical price..
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Old 01-15-2018, 09:57 AM   #17
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I just set my Texas Hunter feeders for 8:00 A. M. and 5:00 P. M. That works well for me as just because your clock changes doesn't mean the sun changes. I've done it for years and have not been disappointed.
Same here. Mines 7am&4pm. Stays set at the same time and settings year around. Deer aren't on Daylight savings.

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Old 01-15-2018, 10:11 AM   #18
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sure you could find one...but would probably come at a astronomical price..


Itís literally software. It canít be that difficult.

For it to be dead nuts accurate you would need to program in your Lat/Lon coordinates.


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The longer and shorter days are the problem, not DST.
Photo cell depend on brightness of the morning to go off early enough to suit me
The ones that track sunrise and sunset are great for us year around hunters.
Mine is actually set go off twice morning and twice in the afternoon. Early and late morning, and early and late afternoon.

BTW. I also use a lot of tx hunter mechanisms with good luck.
I hunt in ETexas, and these deer (and hogs) show up when they **** well want to. I find it hard to worry about a few minutes of daylight one way or the other when they don't show up until 9:30/10:00 AM, or the last five minutes of light. The only animals that (somewhat) consistently show right after the feeder goes off are young deer, or a group of young hogs in my area. YMMV.

I've had my THP feeders for 15 plus years and have had two motors replaced in that time frame
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Old 01-15-2018, 10:21 AM   #20
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I canít for the life of me figure out with technology available why a digital timer canít have an astronomical clock mechanism built into it.


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All the techies are busy figuring out how to make bows shoot themselves with laser-like accuracy while we sit in our blinds in a heated stratolounger, drinking Coors Lite while surfing TBH with our earphones blasting the latest rap from waddell and company. They plumb forgot about the feeders !
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Old 01-15-2018, 10:24 AM   #21
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I know that a guy is developing such a timer. Spoke with him at the TTHA Extravaganza twice. Obviously, it will have to be homed in to the hunting area's GPS location to work. That takes technological development and testing. Technical support will also be required.
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Old 01-15-2018, 10:33 AM   #22
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The timer had a bad batch they made it right
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Old 01-15-2018, 11:58 AM   #23
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I agree that it is crazy that there is not a timer out there more sophisticated than the best of the best right now. Seems crazy. We have self driving cars, electric cars, drones with great cameras but our timers canít adjust for DST? What?!


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I know that a guy is developing such a timer. Spoke with him at the TTHA Extravaganza twice. Obviously, it will have to be homed in to the hunting area's GPS location to work. That takes technological development and testing. Technical support will also be required.


Geolocation built in would be great but not necessary. You could manually input your location pretty easily.


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Old 01-15-2018, 12:27 PM   #25
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This technology has been around for 20 years.. The company that developed it was SSI inc. it was called the Geo timer. You enter your longitude and latitude to your specific area and the timer self adjusts daily. My feeder goes off 15 minutes before sunrise and 1 1/2 hours before sunset daily. SSI has not produced any timers in years..i can only assume there are some patent issues as to why no one has one on the market today..i have 2 of these timers that are 15 years old and they are awesome..
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Geolocation built in would be great but not necessary. You could manually input your location pretty easily.


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I work in HVAC/Refrigeration/Lighting controls and I have one system work with where you just plug in the zip code and it will give you your sunrise and sunset times for that date (then you can offset sunrise/sunset as you wish). I am guessing this would be the easiest way to do it from a user stand point.

Someone has a patent on this type of thing as it relates to corn feeders?

Before I leave I normally just adjust my feeder to go off around sunrise for the next time I will be hunting. 4:30PM in the afternoon.
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This technology has been around for 20 years.. The company that developed it was SSI inc. it was called the Geo timer. You enter your longitude and latitude to your specific area and the timer self adjusts daily. My feeder goes off 15 minutes before sunrise and 1 1/2 hours before sunset daily. SSI has not produced any timers in years..i can only assume there are some patent issues as to why no one has one on the market today..i have 2 of these timers that are 15 years old and they are awesome..


If it has been around 20 years, patent is expired.


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My guess is it's probably not worth the effort to produce one and the demand wouldn't be all that much; especially if the price point was much higher than a standard digital timer.

I mean, how often to you even change a digital timer? Sure, the duration of sunlight changes throughout the year, but not significantly enough for the average person to want to update a timer more than once every couple months. Then there is DST, which you can update the clock if you want, but that's not even necessary to begin with.

Add to that, the fact that one must fill a feeder periodically, so it's not like you have to go out of your way to check a digital timer. Heck, I open mine up sometimes just to check battery level and to verify time is still correct.

I did own a couple photocell timers at one point. Never again. They were not very consistent on feed times.
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I ran smart timers for over 25 yrs never an issue.
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My guess is it's probably not worth the effort to produce one and the demand wouldn't be all that much; especially if the price point was much higher than a standard digital timer.



I mean, how often to you even change a digital timer? Sure, the duration of sunlight changes throughout the year, but not significantly enough for the average person to want to update a timer more than once every couple months. Then there is DST, which you can update the clock if you want, but that's not even necessary to begin with.



Add to that, the fact that one must fill a feeder periodically, so it's not like you have to go out of your way to check a digital timer. Heck, I open mine up sometimes just to check battery level and to verify time is still correct.



I did own a couple photocell timers at one point. Never again. They were not very consistent on feed times.


Work smarter not harder applies. Not everyone runs a 55 gallon drum feeder. As soon as I can Iím going to have a 1000# stand and fill. In the off season I might have to fill it once. During season when I throw heavy I might have to fill it once.

Iíd rather set it and forget it.

Seriously it canít be that difficult.


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I agree that it would get used and make money. Hell, ďThe TimerĒ sells thousands of units a year and probably costs $4 to make. This canít cost much more than that to make.


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I mean, how often to you even change a digital timer? Sure, the duration of sunlight changes throughout the year, but not significantly enough for the average person to want to update a timer more than once every couple months.
I adjust the feed times about every 2 weeks from Sept 1 to February 15 on 21 feeders on 2 ranches an hour away from each other.
I would be so happy if I could buy a timer that I could set to feed 10 minutes before sunrise, 50 minutes after sunrise, 70 minutes before sunset and 10 minutes before sunset.
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I just set my Texas Hunter feeders for 8:00 A. M. and 5:00 P. M. That works well for me as just because your clock changes doesn't mean the sun changes. I've done it for years and have not been disappointed.
The sun does change. Every day, date light length is different, thus we have seasons.

Would think now a days with the computer chips getting so small and all, that they could come out with a solar related timer.
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I adjust the feed times about every 2 weeks from Sept 1 to February 15 on 21 feeders on 2 ranches an hour away from each other.
I would be so happy if I could buy a timer that I could set to feed 10 minutes before sunrise, 50 minutes after sunrise, 70 minutes before sunset and 10 minutes before sunset.
The timers i described can do that!!
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I adjust the feed times about every 2 weeks from Sept 1 to February 15 on 21 feeders on 2 ranches an hour away from each other.
I would be so happy if I could buy a timer that I could set to feed 10 minutes before sunrise, 50 minutes after sunrise, 70 minutes before sunset and 10 minutes before sunset.
https://www.gamecountryusa.com/shop/day-ii-2/

Wish I had one of these on my farm 30 yrs ago
Tired of adjusting year round.

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https://www.gamecountryusa.com/shop/day-ii-2/

Wish I had one of these on my farm 30 yrs ago
Tired of adjusting year round.

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THANKS Big Pig! I'm going to order one now and try it out!

Does anyone else have experience with this Game Country feeder mechanism?
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THANKS Big Pig! I'm going to order one now and try it out!



Does anyone else have experience with this Game Country feeder mechanism?


I like Ďem but they wonít work on my setups without some modifications. I need something that is just a timer, no housing and not with the motor included.


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Photocell they go off at sunrise no matter what time it is. Well if they go off al all
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Lightning can cause a real problem with a photo cell timer. I have 5 feeders so I just change the times gradually (5-15 minutes)2-3 times a year so feed is on the ground right at or just after daybreak and 2 hours before sunset. I usually put out a little hand corn in the mornings, also.
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