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Old 04-18-2018, 07:19 PM   #51
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What facts can you add to your opinion? Why are you so mad at Holden and Double Down? Why are you, TKK, and GingiB so butt hurt?
Just your post above is a perfect example - butt hurt? No...... just rational people not buying into the hype that you have chosen to buy into

I am not mad at holden or DD. Never said it was not a good feed. If any other feed company was doing the same silly "over promotion" of their feed I would feel the same

What I (and many many others object to) is the over promotion, info commercial type hype that the DD people put out.

Some of us have been around long enough to recognize the exaggeration
when we see it. Some of the sensationalized claims about what this feed does is silly IMO.

Keep in mind that the vast majority of hunters out there cannot put feeders out every 100 acres and do not have an unlimited feed bill. It is very close to being a feed lot whether you want to admit it or not. I have even read claims that "deer will pass up natural browse so they can eat DD feed" - who in their right mind would believe that if you know anything about free range deer?

So for the average hunter, feeding enough DD to produce 200 inch deer will never happen. But the promotion draws people in on the hope that they too can reproduce what Holdens ranch does. I do not like seeing people being taken advantage of and spending their hard earned money on promoters. So if you think that is being "butt hurt" then go ahead and believe that.

Last but not least - if anyone dares to question the miracle feed, the "soldiers" come out in force to bash anyone who dares question their feed - please observe what your response will be to this post - you will prove my point by your response.

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Old 04-18-2018, 07:33 PM   #52
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Just your post above is a perfect example - butt hurt? No...... just rational people not buying into the hype that you have chosen to buy into

I am not mad at holden or DD. Never said it was not a good feed. If any other feed company was doing the same silly "over promotion" of their feed I would feel the same

What I (and many many others object to) is the over promotion, info commercial type hype that the DD people put out.

Some of us have been around long enough to recognize the exaggeration
when we see it. Some of the sensationalized claims about what this feed does is silly IMO.

Keep in mind that the vast majority of hunters out there cannot put feeders out every 100 acres and do not have an unlimited feed bill. It is very close to being a feed lot whether you want to admit it or not. I have even read claims that "deer will pass up natural browse so they can eat DD feed" - who in their right mind would believe that if you know anything about free range deer?

So for the average hunter, feeding enough DD to produce 200 inch deer will never happen. But the promotion draws people in on the hope that they too can reproduce what Holdens ranch does. I do not like seeing people being taken advantage of and spending their hard earned money on promoters.

Last but not least - if anyone dares to question the miracle feed, the "soldiers" come out in force to bash anyone who dares question their feed - please observe what your response will be to this post -


SO, what do I mean by "there is a sucker born every minute?" - I will let you ponder on that
Very very well said..... I agree 100 percent with your post. Except for the last sentence I'll stay out of y'alls bickering
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Old 04-18-2018, 07:37 PM   #53
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Very very well said..... I agree 100 percent with your post. Except for the last sentence I'll stay out of y'alls bickering
LOL I deleted the last sentence just for you - I do not like bickering either - you made a good point
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Old 04-18-2018, 08:03 PM   #54
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LOL I deleted the last sentence just for you - I do not like bickering either - you made a good point
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Old 04-18-2018, 08:18 PM   #55
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Iím Not currently feeding protein... but can DD or any of the others be broadcast out of a timed corn feeder? Iím sure itís not ideal, but better than nothing I reckon.
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Old 04-18-2018, 08:51 PM   #56
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I think its a great product and kudos to him for growing an awesome place. There’s no doubt he changed the bell curve on his place but i have some questions after listening to his podcast on youtube with wildbuck. If its so great why do they still feed cottonseed. Peanuts grow underground, do deer even eat them in the wild or do they eat the plant? If they claim its not for penned deer cuz forage is needed with it, then why brag about deer making their biggest jumps at 11 years old because they have no teeth and only being able to eat double down cuz how palatable it is. If the deer live at the protein feeder and you shut them off to run timed feeders during the day, why did it take 44 hunts to kill your deer. And most importantly how was he able to make 44 hunts during bow season(i am hating on that cuz jealousy). That being said, i think the higher tdn makes it great and helps but i think his success has more to do with his management program than type of protein he feeds but if you can afford it cant hurt to try it
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Old 04-18-2018, 09:24 PM   #57
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I think its a great product and kudos to him for growing an awesome place. There’s no doubt he changed the bell curve on his place but i have some questions after listening to his podcast on youtube with wildbuck. If its so great why do they still feed cottonseed. Peanuts grow underground, do deer even eat them in the wild or do they eat the plant? If they claim its not for penned deer cuz forage is needed with it, then why brag about deer making their biggest jumps at 11 years old because they have no teeth and only being able to eat double down cuz how palatable it is. If the deer live at the protein feeder and you shut them off to run timed feeders during the day, why did it take 44 hunts to kill your deer. And most importantly how was he able to make 44 hunts during bow season(i am hating on that cuz jealousy). That being said, i think the higher tdn makes it great and helps but i think his success has more to do with his management program than type of protein he feeds but if you can afford it cant hurt to try it

I am feeding Bee County Coop feed. My deer eat WAY less than when I was feeding DD.
Feed bill has been knocked way down. My deer are Fat and Sassy.
Guess they are getting all they need and don't need to stand at the feeder 24/7.
Bee County Coop only uses the best quality feed products, no fillers.
Trust me, they told me so, only top quality stuff!!!
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Old 04-18-2018, 09:27 PM   #58
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In my experience from North Texas to West Texas... big mature bucks don't like to be near feeders at all. In fact, all my big deer stay 40+ yards away from them when chasing doe, and they have one specific pattern, living nocturnal.... and it is absolutely frustrating for a bow hunter. But, you will get lucky in November..
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Old 04-18-2018, 09:37 PM   #59
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I am feeding Bee County Coop feed. My deer eat WAY less than when I was feeding DD.
Feed bill has been knocked way down. My deer are Fat and Sassy.
Guess they are getting all they need and don't need to stand at the feeder 24/7.
Bee County Coop only uses the best quality feed products, no fillers.
Trust me, they told me so, only top quality stuff!!!
+ if you buy 12 tons, delivery is free.
It is $380/ton for 17% and $420/ton for 20%.
If I were you Black Gold, I would put either DD or this Superior Bee County coop feed in your spin feeder with your corn and feed it timed with your corn.

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Peyton, I will chime in here.
First off, I think DD is a GREAT feed. I have fed a lot of it. Second, I love what Bret is doing over on the Holden pasture. It's Awesome!!!
I think what annoys people is the fact that THEY(Holden group) put up high fence to keep the deer from jumping the fence and getting killed by certain neighbors. Then put "LOW FENCE" in every title. It don't bother me, but I can see some peoples point on that.

Let’s clarify...you do not line up a fence line with 30+ Temporary feeder pens while you pay for a high fence to be put up to keep deer from jumping out....you do this to get them to jump in.

Frankly I have nothing against the feed...Holden has screwed a lot of people over that have gotten on his lease only to be denied to shoot a buck but when they left after a weekend hunt...Holden’s buddy’s or family shot the deer. It’s a proven fact if you are not in his click you will be used just to fill a spot. Frankly I’m surprised someone hasn’t really whipped his short *ss really good.

And yes he has done a lot a good things for hunts for kids, etc...but if we are gonna call a spade a spade then we will call the whole spade - not just the positive half people want to talk about.

Again I have nothing against the feed...

As far as Peyton ...he seems to get his Napoleon panties in a wad when either Holden or DD gets commented on.
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Letís clarify...you do not line up a fence line with 30+ Temporary feeder pens while you pay for a high fence to be put up to keep deer from jumping out....you do this to get them to jump in.

Frankly I have nothing against the feed...Holden has screwed a lot of people over that have gotten on his lease only to be denied to shoot a buck but when they left after a weekend hunt...Holdenís buddyís or family shot the deer. Itís a proven fact if you are not in his click you will be used just to fill a spot. Frankly Iím surprised someone hasnít really whipped his short *ss really good.

And yes he has done a lot a good things for hunts for kids, etc...but if we are gonna call a spade a spade then we will call the whole spade - not just the positive half people want to talk about.

Again I have nothing against the feed...

As far as Peyton ...he seems to get his Napoleon panties in a wad when either Holden or DD gets commented on.


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Just your post above is a perfect example - butt hurt? No...... just rational people not buying into the hype that you have chosen to buy into

I am not mad at holden or DD. Never said it was not a good feed. If any other feed company was doing the same silly "over promotion" of their feed I would feel the same

What I (and many many others object to) is the over promotion, info commercial type hype that the DD people put out.

Some of us have been around long enough to recognize the exaggeration
when we see it. Some of the sensationalized claims about what this feed does is silly IMO.

Keep in mind that the vast majority of hunters out there cannot put feeders out every 100 acres and do not have an unlimited feed bill. It is very close to being a feed lot whether you want to admit it or not. I have even read claims that "deer will pass up natural browse so they can eat DD feed" - who in their right mind would believe that if you know anything about free range deer?

So for the average hunter, feeding enough DD to produce 200 inch deer will never happen. But the promotion draws people in on the hope that they too can reproduce what Holdens ranch does. I do not like seeing people being taken advantage of and spending their hard earned money on promoters. So if you think that is being "butt hurt" then go ahead and believe that.

Last but not least - if anyone dares to question the miracle feed, the "soldiers" come out in force to bash anyone who dares question their feed - please observe what your response will be to this post - you will prove my point by your response.


Both of yíall have personal grievances or opinions again Holden, but admit he created a good product. Iíve heard your opinions before, but you continue to sí*t on every DD thread on TBH.

I know Brett but I will not be a part of his marketing. Iíve repeatedly told him to tone it down and resisted his requests to use my pics in his advertising. The fact is that he brought a new product to market and there is a lot of exposure in a short time. Maybe his style works. Iím able to look beyond the internetís opinion and evaluate a product compared to its competition. Iíve fed other brands that were inconsistent ingredients, inconsistent availability, and unpredictable. I switched to DD in Ď15 because I was tired of profit dictating the ingredients of the feed I was buying. Highest TDN, higher consumption, and a consistent recipe win in my book. My opinion is that DD is a good, consistent product.

If they hang their hat on LF giants at least theyíre not like Purina or L&E that consistently promote their feed with pics of BREEDER BUCKS.

Yíall can call me all the names you want, it only exposes the weakness of your opinions. I only speak up because you continue to dogpile every thread about DD.

I buy it, you donít. Move on!
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Both of yíall have personal grievances or opinions again Holden, but admit he created a good product. Iíve heard your opinions before, but you continue to sí*t on every DD thread on TBH.

I know Brett but I will not be a part of his marketing. Iíve repeatedly told him to tone it down and resisted his requests to use my pics in his advertising. The fact is that he brought a new product to market and there is a lot of exposure in a short time. Maybe his style works. Iím able to look beyond the internetís opinion and evaluate a product compared to its competition. Iíve fed other brands that were inconsistent ingredients, inconsistent availability, and unpredictable. I switched to DD in Ď15 because I was tired of profit dictating the ingredients of the feed I was buying. Highest TDN, higher consumption, and a consistent recipe win in my book. My opinion is that DD is a good, consistent product.

If they hang their hat on LF giants at least theyíre not like Purina or L&E that consistently promote their feed with pics of BREEDER BUCKS.

Yíall can call me all the names you want, it only exposes the weakness of your opinions. I only speak up because you continue to dogpile every thread about DD.

I buy it, you donít. Move on!
Unfortunately you exposed your struggles to comprehend what you read...I stated I have nothing against the feed...what part of that do you not understand?

Secondly what I stated about Holden is not a Fín opinion...it is pure fact. If you do not know anything about it then donít comment.
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Apparently, youíre OPINION must be heard. Do you have anything to say about the OPís topic? According to posts other than mine, DD is more attractive than its competitors. Have you bought any and want to share your actual experience or do you want to continue to spew your hate based on your personal opinion?
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Apparently, youíre OPINION must be heard. Do you have anything to say about the OPís topic? According to posts other than mine, DD is more attractive than its competitors. Have you bought any and want to share your actual experience or do you want to continue to spew your hate based on your personal opinion?
Iím embarrassed for you...that can not decipher the difference between opinion and fact.
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Iím embarrassed for you...that can not decipher the difference between opinion and fact.


Aww

Please tell me where Iím wrong about the product. Leave your personal opinions at the door. Itís childish that you have to resort to name calling, vague insults, and personal attacks to try to make a point, while admitting that the product you consistently sí*t on is good. If you donít like ďitĒ, donít buy it. We heard ya.
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Aww

Please tell me where Iím wrong about the product. Leave your personal opinions at the door. Itís childish that you have to resort to name calling, vague insults, and personal attacks to try to make a point, while admitting that the product you consistently sí*t on is good. If you donít like ďitĒ, donít buy it. We heard ya.
Ugh....seriously you should have someone read and explain for you.
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Ugh....seriously you should have someone read and explain for you.


Again, so weak and vague. Pick up your panties and speak to your actual experience with DD, not where it hurt you.
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Well....let me get off the current topic and back to the topic at hand.

I was contacted by Bee County Co-Op this week which is a feed very close to the same TDN% as DD. They got me some of their feed in hand and Iím going to do my best to do a side-by-side comparison taste test of the two in front of a game camera. I tried this once before with another feed, but had some technical difficulties, but with a couple new cameras will give this a shot. We are headed to fill feeders out west first week of May and will try it then. We shall see.


Thank you all for your responses and feedback above. It has been a plethora of knowledge and opinions to read thru.


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Actual experience should be whatís important here.
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Peyton...follow along and let me simplify it for you.

I stated that I have nothing against the product.

You keep harping to me about the product and stated “tell me where I am wrong about the product”...

And DD has not hurt me...I do not have a dog in the DD fight!

I have only expressed facts about Holden.

You read Holden and your mind immediately comprehends DD...seriously dude are you that stupid?
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Peyton...follow along and let me simplify it for you.

I stated that I have nothing against the product.

You keep harping to me about the product and stated ďtell me where I am wrong about the productĒ...

And DD has not hurt me...I do not have a dog in the DD fight!

I have only expressed facts about Holden.

You read Holden and your mind immediately comprehends DD...seriously dude are you that stupid?


Does this thread or any other thread youíve sí*t on have HIS name on it?

Your personal attack is obvious, tired, and weak. You have nothing to say about the product.
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Y'all need to stop drinking while TBH'n and feed the darn deer as you please. MOST feeds on the market today are enough to get the "supplemental" box checked. DD is an awesome feed as many others are also. But they don't shove their feed down my throat...i can show plenty of studs that aren't pen deer with LnE but what would I gain? Notta... Just as fair I'm sure many others could brag about their DD or Purina bucks...
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Y'all need to stop drinking while TBH'n and feed the darn deer as you please. MOST feeds on the market today are enough to get the "supplemental" box checked. DD is an awesome feed as many others are also. But they don't shove their feed down my throat...i can show plenty of studs that aren't pen deer with LnE but what would I gain? Notta... Just as fair I'm sure many others could brag about their DD or Purina bucks...


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