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Old 07-18-2018, 04:26 PM   #1
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So I got an email advertising a $45k cancellation hunt for an Altai Argali sheep in Mongolia. It made me wonder, is it possible to stock/breed that species here and charge a LOT less for the hunt? Just wondering why you donít see a lot more hunt operators taking non-indigenous high dollar sheep and running hunts for them here. If they can do it with Aoudad why couldnít they with Marco Polo sheep or something.


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Old 07-18-2018, 04:32 PM   #2
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How much more would someone be able to make when they can buy a sheep at the sale barn here then sell a hunt on it and make a couple thousand? They donít have to worry about importing it or anything.


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Old 07-18-2018, 04:32 PM   #3
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Good question. Although comparing an altai argali with an auodad is like a Ferrari to a yugo. As a side note, I've yet to see a TX super exotic hunt that was less expensive. For a $10k Texas kudu, you can go to SA and shoot 5-6 animals, including said Kudu, for that price. I imagine an Altai Argali would be $100k here.
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Old 07-18-2018, 04:45 PM   #4
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Lot better markup on the sale barn rams.
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Old 07-18-2018, 05:10 PM   #5
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Goats a goat..
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Old 07-18-2018, 05:11 PM   #6
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I would rather spend the money and get the full experience of Mongolia. If an Argali hunt came to Texas, it would just be riding around in a truck until you see it then shooting, while drinking a beer.

That hunt is on my bucket list, and is being saved for as we speak.
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Old 07-18-2018, 05:12 PM   #7
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How much more would someone be able to make when they can buy a sheep at the sale barn here then sell a hunt on it and make a couple thousand? They donít have to worry about importing it or anything.


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When I say import I mean as a seed stock breeder, not import each sheep. You could potentially go to the sale barn and buy a Marco Polo sheep if enough of them were bred in captivity.

@Charrison: yes the prices on the super exotics are nuts compared to hunting them in natural habitat. But in the case of sheep, it seems more expensive to hunt them in the habitat of origin versus here. You could take the Marco Polo sheep that cost $55-60k to hunt, instead dart, extract semen, establish a breeding program with huntable stock. Eventually should cost a lot less. I know itís not the same but our lease started at some point with a small number of Aoudad, now we are overrun with them. Just wondering what would happen if you released these high dollar sheep in the same environment and left them alone. Iím sure thereís some reason why itís not done, I havenít seen it and just wondering why.




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Old 07-18-2018, 05:12 PM   #8
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Doubt it, think of the price difference to shoot a Kudu, Sable, Markor, or a Bongo here vs their native territories.
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Old 07-18-2018, 05:18 PM   #9
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Forgive me for not knowing, but why are these hunt SO expensive??? I've heard of the sheep before, but had no idea it cost as much as it does to go hunt them. From what i'm seeing its anywhere between 80-100K. Seems absurd to me, but I probably don't understand all that's going into it.
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Old 07-18-2018, 05:21 PM   #10
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Forgive me for not knowing, but why are these hunt SO expensive??? I've heard of the sheep before, but had no idea it cost as much as it does to go hunt them. From what i'm seeing its anywhere between 80-100K. Seems absurd to me, but I probably don't understand all that's going into it.
Its simply supply and demand. And those goat hunters with deep pockets get serious about bagging all of the available species.
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Old 07-18-2018, 05:23 PM   #11
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Forgive me for not knowing, but why are these hunt SO expensive??? I've heard of the sheep before, but had no idea it cost as much as it does to go hunt them. From what i'm seeing its anywhere between 80-100K. Seems absurd to me, but I probably don't understand all that's going into it.
Low number of tags available and people with disposable income willing to pay for them. I believe that is the case in the USA anyway. Not sure on the foreign versions but probably the same.
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Old 07-18-2018, 05:24 PM   #12
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Too many exotics outcompeting native species here now, why bring more?
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Old 07-18-2018, 05:27 PM   #13
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I would rather spend the money and get the full experience of Mongolia. If an Argali hunt came to Texas, it would just be riding around in a truck until you see it then shooting, while drinking a beer.

That hunt is on my bucket list, and is being saved for as we speak.


No doubt! Seems like that would be an Epic Hunt in Mongolia. Thatís the real way to get it done imho. Iím just wondering aloud why someone hasnít managed to economically scale sheep hunting. Or maybe they have and Iím just not aware. The habitat isnít an issue as it would be for other high dollar animals like elephant, lion, etc.


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Old 07-18-2018, 05:31 PM   #14
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Too many exotics outcompeting native species here now, why bring more?


For a high fence operation thatís really not an issue. I kinda somewhat agree with you when it comes to low fence. But it IS cool to not have any idea what might show up at a feeder


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Old 07-18-2018, 05:54 PM   #15
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I price-checked a Stone Sheep hunt the other night and the one I looked at was $45,000!

Seems like just a few years ago they were in the $25,000 range and I couldn't have done it then! Crazy!
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Old 07-18-2018, 07:17 PM   #16
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I would rather spend the money and get the full experience of Mongolia. If an Argali hunt came to Texas, it would just be riding around in a truck until you see it then shooting, while drinking a beer.

That hunt is on my bucket list, and is being saved for as we speak.
That is awesome! Marco Polo, Tur and Blue Sheep are things I dream of but I would gladly hunt any of the Argali's. It would force me to drop some tonnage and hit the gym like no other time in my life.

I guarantee you can shoot a Markhor and transcaspian urial here in Texas much cheaper than their native lands. Lots of that cost is logistics. Takes a lot of work to get hunters in to the sheep country then the price of tags/supply&demand.

In the end, the hunt is about the experience. I have no problem killing anything anywhere. But, given the choice I would love to hunt Mongolia, Russia, the Stans or wherever else the game lives. I love to travel, love to experience the true culture and I love to hunt.
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Old 07-18-2018, 07:21 PM   #17
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I would rather spend the money and get the full experience of Mongolia. If an Argali hunt came to Texas, it would just be riding around in a truck until you see it then shooting, while drinking a beer.

That hunt is on my bucket list, and is being saved for as we speak.
Exactly. This is one of my dream hunts. The logistics are a huge part of the fun...and cost.
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Old 07-18-2018, 10:17 PM   #18
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I saw a desert bighorn sheep hunt on Tiburon Island, Mexico for a 165" to 180", all inclusive with 4 guides for $80,000. Sounds like a bargain to me!
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Old 07-18-2018, 10:23 PM   #19
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I price-checked a Stone Sheep hunt the other night and the one I looked at was $45,000!

Seems like just a few years ago they were in the $25,000 range and I couldn't have done it then! Crazy!
Just think, if someone started a program for sheep in Texas, ( raise, fence, and feed), you could probably kill one for $ 15,000 BARGAIN!!!!
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Old 07-18-2018, 10:44 PM   #20
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http://www.whiteelkranch.com/hunting.html

Donít have good service but this ranch had all kind of expensive exotic sheep.


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Old 07-18-2018, 11:03 PM   #21
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I couldn’t afford Marco Polo so I hunted Ibex in the same area they lived. Saw some while hunting but they were waaaay off. I think my all in cost was $7k using miles to fly and it was worth every cent. Truly an amazing adventure in a wild wild place. We even got to see an avalanche catching our breath at 14500 feet. My hunt was published in Texas Sporting Journal, I’ll see if I can find it.

I drive a 2005 Corolla with 240k miles to work everyday because a while ago I found that experiences beat “things” every time.
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Old 07-19-2018, 12:09 AM   #22
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A lot of the sheep don't do well here in Texas, way too hot.
I looked into it and then decided against it for now.
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Old 07-19-2018, 05:53 PM   #23
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A lot of the sheep don't do well here in Texas, way too hot.

I looked into it and then decided against it for now.


So that answers a lot. I was wondering if there was a habitat issue.


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Old 07-19-2018, 07:51 PM   #24
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Can't compare going on a multi week expedition to the Middle East to driving around in a ranger or sitting at a feeder in Texas....
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Old 07-20-2018, 12:44 AM   #25
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I saw a desert bighorn sheep hunt on Tiburon Island, Mexico for a 165" to 180", all inclusive with 4 guides for $80,000. Sounds like a bargain to me!
Send me the link Iíll buy two If they are just giving them away
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Old 07-20-2018, 12:59 AM   #26
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So I got an email advertising a $45k cancellation hunt for an Altai Argali sheep in Mongolia. It made me wonder, is it possible to stock/breed that species here and charge a LOT less for the hunt? Just wondering why you donít see a lot more hunt operators taking non-indigenous high dollar sheep and running hunts for them here. If they can do it with Aoudad why couldnít they with Marco Polo sheep or something.


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There are two types of people that pay this kind of money for a hunt. The type who want to go on a hunt and experience the trip. And those who want to go kill something.... Yes both exist..If you want to bring species to Texas and throw them in a fence, missing out on the experience are you doing it for the right reason??
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Just think, if someone started a program for sheep in Texas, ( raise, fence, and feed), you could probably kill one for $ 15,000 BARGAIN!!!!
and it also wouldnt be any less gay than these sexier and hotter than hunts on here
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Old 07-20-2018, 07:00 AM   #28
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I found that experiences beat ďthingsĒ every time.
Couldnít agree more
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Old 07-20-2018, 08:20 AM   #29
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It is all about the adventure.
A Texas hunt does not compair to a South African hunt, a South African hunt does not compair to Mozambique


I want to hunt bear in Russia
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Old 07-20-2018, 05:17 PM   #30
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It is all about the adventure.
A Texas hunt does not compair to a South African hunt, a South African hunt does not compair to Mozambique


I want to hunt bear in Russia


Iím with you on Russia... researching it now. Iím hoping to do a brown bear hunt in 2020 and looking at all options. Wondering if I can save money by doing it in Russia vs Alaska and still have a great adventure.


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Old 07-20-2018, 05:20 PM   #31
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Can't compare going on a multi week expedition to the Middle East to driving around in a ranger or sitting at a feeder in Texas....


I agree, I was just wondering why no one seemed to be doing high fence hunts for a lot of these ultra high dollar sheep. I still donít understand folks that go to the 777 ranch or some place like that and kill a sable for more than what it cost to do a whole experience/package in Africa. But to each his own.


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One further comment- which I agree with a lot of the people on here, it's about the hunt and adventure if at all possible.

I've dreamed of killing a Dahl sheep my entire life since I was a little kid. I will go do it. Rifle or bow, I don't care. I want to be in those high mountains and I want to take that shot in that beautiful country. I feel the horns of that heavy bodied wild north American sheep.

Until then, I will kill as many of those stupid exotic rams as possible. If I don't kill a few every year I will go nuts until I get after the real mountain sheep.
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Old 07-20-2018, 06:10 PM   #33
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If I came home and told my wife I'd just spent 100k to shoot a goat,...Oh well, I guess 'ya either got it, or 'ya don't....
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Old 07-21-2018, 07:32 AM   #34
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If I came home and told my wife I'd just spent 100k to shoot a goat,...Oh well, I guess 'ya either got it, or 'ya don't....
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