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Old 07-29-2019, 08:59 AM   #1
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In my neck of the woods copperheads are our only venomous snake. I have plenty of them and for the most part, I leave them alone. Copperheads eat mice and rats and I have too many of those.

Who kills the copperheads? Kingsnakes of course.




I was riding my bike this morning and almost ran over these two.
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Old 07-29-2019, 09:01 AM   #2
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That's a kingsnake eating a kingsnake.

Prairie Kingsnake and Speckled.

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Old 07-29-2019, 09:01 AM   #3
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same here; out in the woods I let 'em make it.
around the house; they gotta go.

venomous that is, I never kill the good ones.

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Old 07-29-2019, 09:03 AM   #4
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gotta love king snakes, wish there were more around here.
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Old 07-29-2019, 09:08 AM   #5
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That's a kingsnake eating a kingsnake.

Prairie Kingsnake and Speckled.








Kill the Copperheads and the kingsnakes will eat the rats

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Old 07-29-2019, 09:12 AM   #6
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I finally got my wife not to shoot the king snake's. Some times it gets loose in the bed.

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Old 07-29-2019, 09:15 AM   #7
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not a copperhead,, and yes I love to have king snakes around as long as there aren't too many, never had that problem either
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Old 07-29-2019, 09:28 AM   #8
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I'm sure you have more venomous snakes than a copperhead. Just bc you don't see them doesn't mean they are not there. Rattle snakes coral snakes etc. roam the same places as copperheads not as many perhaps, but they are there. I will kill them without hesitation.
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Old 07-29-2019, 09:32 AM   #9
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That's a kingsnake eating a kingsnake.

Prairie Kingsnake and Speckled.
Yup^^
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Old 07-29-2019, 09:32 AM   #10
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i didn't think it was a copperhead (didn't look quite right) but didn't know there was another that looked like it. I'm lucky to come across 3 or 4 snakes a year and i spend a vast amount of my time outside.

like the rain, this years been different...
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Old 07-29-2019, 09:48 AM   #11
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i didn't think it was a copperhead (didn't look quite right) but didn't know there was another that looked like it. I'm lucky to come across 3 or 4 snakes a year and i spend a vast amount of my time outside.

like the rain, this years been different...
Good news is that the kings have put such a dent in the venomous species that they are eating their own. Kind of a shame.
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Old 07-29-2019, 09:51 AM   #12
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I'd rather me or any kids be scared by a rat than be bitten by a copperhead or rattlesnake......it's science..

All venomous ones I see where I, or my friends and family frequent die... real quick like.

We are 7 dead rattlers at our lease so far this year. Most killed is 14 in a year. Most killed in feedpens looking for...you guessed it...mice..


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Old 07-29-2019, 09:57 AM   #13
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I don't kill them. I either relocate them or make sure they find their way through the yard (typically a pair at a time).

As long as I can spot them before they tap me on the shoulder and ask me to move.
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Old 07-29-2019, 10:08 AM   #14
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Indigos eat rattlesnakes but everyone I know still kills them on sight (Rattlers not indigos). Used to kill any venomous on sight but lately have been letting even water moccasins go if I don't plan on going back there often

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Old 07-29-2019, 10:10 AM   #15
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Sure looks like a rat snake.
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Old 07-29-2019, 10:11 AM   #16
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King snake vs. rat snake
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Old 07-29-2019, 10:15 AM   #17
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Old 07-29-2019, 10:15 AM   #18
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The hogs have put such a dent in all the smaller wildlife, that snakes are becoming fewer by the day.
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Old 07-29-2019, 10:44 AM   #19
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Here around the house, if my dog doesn't kill it first, I will. Copperheads that is. I have seen first hand what a copperhead bite will do. I don't want no part of that. Other than those, I rarely see any other kind of snake.
Rats and mice, that's what the cats are for!!!
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Old 07-29-2019, 10:54 AM   #20
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Venomous and Non-Venomous snakes pretty much eat the same things. So, no point in keeping Venomous snakes around
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Old 07-29-2019, 11:09 AM   #21
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Sure looks like a rat snake.
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Old 07-29-2019, 11:20 AM   #22
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Venomous and Non-Venomous snakes pretty much eat the same things. So, no point in keeping Venomous snakes around
Well said.
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Old 07-29-2019, 11:45 AM   #23
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Venomous and Non-Venomous snakes pretty much eat the same things. So, no point in keeping Venomous snakes around



Great point...
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Old 07-29-2019, 12:18 PM   #24
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I don't kill them for several reasons:

1. They are beneficial to the overall wellbeing of nature.
2. I'm a grown man and I'm not afraid of a little snek
3. Venomous snakes are nature's warning label and the deliverer of stupid prizes for playing stupid games.
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Old 07-29-2019, 12:32 PM   #25
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I don't kill them, never understood that thought process. Using that logic, you might as well start cutting peoples heads off just because they might hit you their car one day.
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Old 07-29-2019, 12:36 PM   #26
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I don't kill them for several reasons:

1. They are beneficial to the overall wellbeing of nature.
2. I'm a grown man and I'm not afraid of a little snek
3. Venomous snakes are nature's warning label and the deliverer of stupid prizes for playing stupid games.
Ants are beneficial to the overall well being of nature too. They don't need to be around my house either. Not afraid of snakes, Rats, bugs, or any other pest, but pest control is pest control.
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Old 07-29-2019, 12:39 PM   #27
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Ants, spiders, mosquitoes, venomous snakes, scorpions, they all need to die.

And love bugs!!!!!





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Old 07-29-2019, 12:45 PM   #28
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I don't kill them, never understood that thought process. Using that logic, you might as well start cutting peoples heads off just because they might hit you their car one day.
With 3000-something people killed on Texas roads each year you might be onto something...
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Old 07-29-2019, 12:56 PM   #29
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I don't kill them for several reasons:

1. They are beneficial to the overall wellbeing of nature.
2. I'm a grown man and I'm not afraid of a little snek
3. Venomous snakes are nature's warning label and the deliverer of stupid prizes for playing stupid games.

Get bit by one and spend a month throwing up from the pain and you'll think differently maybe. I still ain't scared, but close to the house or camper and they get the hatchet.
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Old 07-29-2019, 12:59 PM   #30
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Get bit by one and spend a month throwing up from the pain and you'll think differently maybe. I still ain't scared, but close to the house or camper and they get the hatchet.
Getting bitten because I did something stupid isn't likely to change my mind about an animal with a brain the size of a peanut. I don't need to get bitten to know how much it sucks.
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Old 07-29-2019, 01:11 PM   #31
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Get bit by one and spend a month throwing up from the pain and you'll think differently maybe. I still ain't scared, but close to the house or camper and they get the hatchet.



Agreed....especially when your deer lease or yard has kids around it who aren't always "grown men". And hell, when you get to working sometimes a fella gets tired and/or distracted and can't always be perfectly observant and at the top of your awareness game. My buddy killed 4 rattlers a few weeks ago trapping coons, with his kids helping him, in our feedpens and at one of our well used gates. Not worth the risk to try to be smarter and manlier than everyone else....better they get dead and lower the percentages.

Add in working/retrieving dogs and vet bills and that's a whole other expense that a snakebite can add to the reasons they need to get dead.


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Old 07-29-2019, 01:11 PM   #32
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Getting bitten because I did something stupid isn't likely to change my mind about an animal with a brain the size of a peanut. I don't need to get bitten to know how much it sucks.
Oh yeah cause every snake bite in history was because someone did something stupid with it
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Old 07-29-2019, 01:16 PM   #33
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Any venomous snake on my personal or lease property gets dispatched post-haste, all others may pass. I don't need livestock, pets, children/grandchildren, or myself/wife getting bit by anything that can do permanent damage....or cost a lot of money to fix. The more of them I kill, the less opportunity there is for that to happen.
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Old 07-29-2019, 01:19 PM   #34
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Getting bitten because I did something stupid isn't likely to change my mind about an animal with a brain the size of a peanut. I don't need to get bitten to know how much it sucks.


This is just a ridiculous statement! You really think you have to do something stupid to get bit? I know an elderly lady who lives in the city. She stepped off a step onto the ground and a snake struck her from under the steps. There was no way she could have seen it beforehand. Sure people get bit doing stupid stuff, but to act like every snake bite is the person fault is just dumb.

A snakes brain is larger than an ants or a mosquitoes, but I've bet you've been bitten by both of them.

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Old 07-29-2019, 01:20 PM   #35
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Any venomous snake is killed on site, most water snakes too.
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Old 07-29-2019, 01:21 PM   #36
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Old 07-29-2019, 01:25 PM   #37
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I give rat snakes a pass usually. My Pit Bull doesn't, she kills all snakes she finds, she has been bitten by copperheads 5 times in the last three years, but it just made her hate them more..I kill copperheads on sight, along with scorpions, black widow spiders, wasps,etc. If I get too many rodents around because of lack of copperheads, I will buy rat poison.
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Old 07-29-2019, 01:32 PM   #38
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Old 07-29-2019, 01:34 PM   #39
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Got a King snake living in the deer camp house, and he gets to come and go at his will. No more mice in the house! He has been there 3 years now.
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Old 07-29-2019, 01:51 PM   #40
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Old 07-29-2019, 02:09 PM   #41
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How about getting on your 4 wheeler and seeing this ?
A harmless Milk Snake. BUT knowing your snakes helps!
Know your critters.

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Old 07-29-2019, 02:37 PM   #42
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Oh yeah cause every snake bite in history was because someone did something stupid with it
Not every, but most.

I feel for folks who get bitten through no fault of their own but have no sympathy for someone who gets bitten playing stupid games.

The idea that I should change my mind if I got bitten is as ridiculous as people who become anti gunner when someone they know gets shot. It's a purely emotional response.
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Old 07-29-2019, 03:07 PM   #43
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I've been bitten a few times and still don't go out of my way to kill snakes. They just don't bother me. The only reason I ever got bit was because I was bothering them. If you can't handle getting bit or if the thought of it bothers you just avoid them. Most people that get bit probably could have avoided it.

As for killing every snake you see,well if you kill kingsnakes and things like that you're giving venomous snakes free roam of your property. Kingsnakes are there for a reason. They're looking for food. Other snakes are on the menu so if they're in your yard that's a pretty good sign a different snake that's a little more detrimental to your health might also be in your yard. Or maybe that family of deer mice under your shed and that could also be very harmful to you as well. I'd take a venomous snake bite over Hantavirus.
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Old 07-29-2019, 03:12 PM   #44
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Old 07-29-2019, 03:19 PM   #45
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Not every, but most.

I feel for folks who get bitten through no fault of their own but have no sympathy for someone who gets bitten playing stupid games.

The idea that I should change my mind if I got bitten is as ridiculous as people who become anti gunner when someone they know gets shot. It's a purely emotional response.
Most is still a strong statement there I believe. Iíve never been but. The closest I got was one of my dogs got treed on a creek and I stepped off in it looking in the tree and my buddy on the bank told me donít move but look down. So I looked down and sure enough was a big ol cotton mouth laying on a log 2 feet from me with its mouth wide open and was none too thrilled of my being there. Luckily I had a pistol on my hip with snake shot and he ate it. But had I not seen him he prolly woulda struck. And I wasnít even playing with it. So Iíd say most of it is not a humans fault. Now I ainít saying thereís not people out there who arent stupid about it. But I just believe itís not as common.
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Old 07-29-2019, 03:43 PM   #46
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Most is still a strong statement there I believe. Iíve never been but. The closest I got was one of my dogs got treed on a creek and I stepped off in it looking in the tree and my buddy on the bank told me donít move but look down. So I looked down and sure enough was a big ol cotton mouth laying on a log 2 feet from me with its mouth wide open and was none too thrilled of my being there. Luckily I had a pistol on my hip with snake shot and he ate it. But had I not seen him he prolly woulda struck. And I wasnít even playing with it. So Iíd say most of it is not a humans fault. Now I ainít saying thereís not people out there who arent stupid about it. But I just believe itís not as common.
I can't find the exact stats anymore but last I read was the vast majority of bites occur when people try to kill or catch snakes. Which makes sense if you think about it as they don't exactly chase after us to chomp down on us...
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Old 07-29-2019, 03:45 PM   #47
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I can't find the exact stats anymore but last I read was the vast majority of bites occur when people try to kill or catch snakes. Which makes sense if you think about it as they don't exactly chase after us to chomp down on us...
Iíve ran across some pretty aggressive moccasins, Agree for the most part though.
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Old 07-29-2019, 03:53 PM   #48
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I've had 3 or 4 close encounters with moccasins, one of them was within 5 feet, they have all either booked it away from me or displayed with their cottonmouth "EFF OFF" display.

All I will say about cottonmouths chasing people is that I don't doubt that people who say they have been chased by them do genuinely believe they were being chased.
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Old 07-29-2019, 04:03 PM   #49
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Any venomous snake on my personal or lease property gets dispatched post-haste, all others may pass. I don't need livestock, pets, children/grandchildren, or myself/wife getting bit by anything that can do permanent damage....or cost a lot of money to fix. The more of them I kill, the less opportunity there is for that to happen.
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Old 07-29-2019, 08:27 PM   #50
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