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Old 08-12-2018, 07:27 PM   #1
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I am hoping that someone can give me a solid lead of what this is and what Era this came from...





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Old 08-12-2018, 07:36 PM   #2
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Cool find. Good luck
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Old 08-12-2018, 08:01 PM   #3
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Donít have a clue what it is, looks like a special find though in for the answers
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Old 08-13-2018, 10:14 AM   #4
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Lets just say that it was found out near Menard TX and I know that was Calvary country with all the forts, but also there were even older Spanish missions. I would assume it would be related to one of these eras...
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Old 08-13-2018, 10:19 AM   #5
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Very cool, what is it made of?
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Old 08-13-2018, 10:21 AM   #6
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you might send a pic to the fort mckavett folks and see if they have any ideas.
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Old 08-13-2018, 11:02 AM   #7
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The Texas Rangers Company D under the command of Captain Dan Roberts was based in Menard County in the mid-to-late 1870’s also.

Kind of a long read, but very interesting:

https://www.frontiertimesmagazine.co...rvin-hunter-sr
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Old 08-13-2018, 11:54 AM   #8
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you might send a pic to the fort mckavett folks and see if they have any ideas.
I have toured the fort before... I did not think of that. Good idea.
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Old 08-13-2018, 12:03 PM   #9
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Is it just me or does that look vaguely masonic?
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Old 08-13-2018, 12:05 PM   #10
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How the hell can anyone call Menard "West" Texas? Its 40 miles from the dead center of the state.

As for the article, I think it's more modern than you might think. Possibly pressed tin from the 50s or 60s. Hard to say without knowing what its made of.

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Old 08-13-2018, 12:05 PM   #11
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Kind of reminds me of the Freemason symbol...but I doubt that's it




Edit: I guess 1369 thought the same thing.
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Old 08-13-2018, 12:11 PM   #12
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Kind of reminds me of the Freemason symbol...but I doubt that's it




Edit: I guess 1369 thought the same thing.
It's not Masonic. It's a henway. Pretty cool to see one that old!
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Old 08-13-2018, 12:13 PM   #13
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How the hell can anyone call Menard "West" Texas? Its 40 miles from the dead center of the state.

As for the article, I think it's more modern than you might think. Possibly pressed tin from the 50s or 60s. Hard to say without knowing what its made of.

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Well why donít you school us old wise one...



Donít know about you but this lines up with my texas history and geography classes from high school.

Cant tell if itís ďpot metalĒ or silver but it was cast, not stamped


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Old 08-13-2018, 12:15 PM   #14
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Well why donít you school us old wise one...

Donít know about you but this lines up with my texas history and geography classes from high school.

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Yup. The exact image that popped in my head when I read his post.

Cool find. In for answers
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Old 08-13-2018, 12:17 PM   #15
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Well why donít you school us old wise one...
Hey, hey...ÖÖ..maps are fake news......lol!!!
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Old 08-13-2018, 12:18 PM   #16
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one more teaser for you.... it was found in a cave close to 40 years ago. I am thinking it had to be put there back in the Indian days.
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Old 08-13-2018, 01:26 PM   #17
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How the **** can anyone call Menard "West" Texas? Its 40 miles from the dead center of the state.

As for the article, I think it's more modern than you might think. Possibly pressed tin from the 50s or 60s. Hard to say without knowing what its made of.

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I know it!!
I guessed the same way they call Brady and Brownwood West Texas also Houston and Tyler are East Texas.....
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Old 08-13-2018, 01:37 PM   #18
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Maybe a earring from the Lilly Langtry era.
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Old 08-13-2018, 01:42 PM   #19
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[QUOTE=J-Fish;13545779]one more teaser for you.... it was found in a cave close to 40 years ago. I am thinking it had to be put there back in the Indian days.[/QUO

I would guess it to be at least 40 years old. Can't help you anymore than that. I don't get out that far west too often.
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Old 08-13-2018, 01:42 PM   #20
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I was thinking a tassel from her pastie

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Old 08-13-2018, 04:20 PM   #21
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The sail of a wind chime?
What's it made of?
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Old 08-13-2018, 04:25 PM   #22
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Is it just me or does that look vaguely masonic?
This ^^^^^

I'd send a photo to the local lodge. It may have been stolen in an Indian raid.
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Old 08-13-2018, 04:33 PM   #23
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Itís a shoehorn


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Old 08-13-2018, 04:37 PM   #24
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Well why donít you school us old wise one...



Donít know about you but this lines up with my texas history and geography classes from high school.

Cant tell if itís ďpot metalĒ or silver but it was cast, not stamped


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Obviously gerrymandering

How can a South Texas county be north of a Central Texas county
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Old 08-13-2018, 04:45 PM   #25
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Has the shape of a metal collar tip but is too large.
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Old 08-13-2018, 05:28 PM   #26
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Itís a saddle skirt ornament, called a Texas Martingale. Made for the Dragoons during the Mexican War I read.

Google that and read about it. Does it have the 3 clips on the rear like the pictures I found?


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Old 08-13-2018, 05:34 PM   #27
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Old 08-13-2018, 05:35 PM   #28
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Old 08-13-2018, 05:58 PM   #29
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It does not look like anything Masonic to me. At least nothing like I have come across.


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Old 08-13-2018, 06:01 PM   #30
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Is it metal or leather? Cannot tell for sure from the pic.
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Old 08-13-2018, 06:14 PM   #31
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Here's a pretty clean one:





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Old 08-13-2018, 06:19 PM   #32
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It’s a saddle skirt ornament, called a Texas Martingale. Made for the Dragoons during the Mexican War I read.

Google that and read about it. Does it have the 3 clips on the rear like the pictures I found?


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Ding, ding, ding.............We have a winner here!!!

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Old 08-13-2018, 06:27 PM   #33
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How the hell can anyone call Menard "West" Texas? Its 40 miles from the dead center of the state.

As for the article, I think it's more modern than you might think. Possibly pressed tin from the 50s or 60s. Hard to say without knowing what its made of.

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if you from orange or beaumont area, anything west of houston is west texas,, then it turns into far west texas
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Old 08-13-2018, 06:45 PM   #34
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Lol, makes sense
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if you from orange or beaumont area, anything west of houston is west texas,, then it turns into far west texas
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Old 08-13-2018, 07:35 PM   #35
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Cool Find, but your map is saying my Hill Country Lease is in South Texas
Don't let my lease owner see this, He may want more $$$
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Old 08-13-2018, 08:21 PM   #36
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Is it just me or does that look vaguely masonic?


My first thought


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Old 08-13-2018, 10:15 PM   #37
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I was thinking a tassel from her pastie

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I would hate to see the girls you run with!

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Old 08-13-2018, 10:33 PM   #38
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Itís a saddle skirt ornament, called a Texas Martingale. Made for the Dragoons during the Mexican War I read.

Google that and read about it. Does it have the 3 clips on the rear like the pictures I found?


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Hey Bill, doing the google thing and coming up will all kinds of things except what you said about the Dragoons during the Mexican War. Can you send me a link to what you read or found?

You did put me on the right path, just want to read what you found.
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Old 08-13-2018, 11:53 PM   #39
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How the hell can anyone call Menard "West" Texas? Its 40 miles from the dead center of the state.
Wouldn't 40 miles west of the center of Texas be west?
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Old 08-13-2018, 11:54 PM   #40
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Wouldn't 40 miles west of the center of Texas be west?[/QUOTE]

Its basically South of center, so....is it South Texas?

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Old 08-14-2018, 12:04 AM   #41
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I peek in on this website now and again for the geographical expertise.
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My grandfather had some old saddles from the late 1800's early 1900's with something similar. He referred to it as a breast plate and it was part of the breast collar that held the saddle from sliding back. It also held the tie down or martingale going to the horses head.
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Hey Bill, doing the google thing and coming up will all kinds of things except what you said about the Dragoons during the Mexican War. Can you send me a link to what you read or found?



You did put me on the right path, just want to read what you found.


http://www.relicman.com/miscellaneou...%20Catalog.htm


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When they say a Texas Martingale, is that the piece on the front of the breast strap of a saddle? At least that's what I'm thinking.
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Old 08-14-2018, 10:15 AM   #45
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that is a pretty cool find..........
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When they say a Texas Martingale, is that the piece on the front of the breast strap of a saddle? At least that's what I'm thinking.
I think they have the usage of the word Ďmartingaleí a little off. A martingale is an actual piece of tack that is used to help set a horseís head. There are all different types, with different purposes. They can be plain or decorated, like the ones used in the Calvary. Not doubting the cave find came off a martingale, but the description in the link looks like it was written by a non-horse person.
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Old 08-14-2018, 10:37 AM   #47
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Thank you Bill. Thank you all. We found a little piece of history and it helps knowing in general what and where it may of been from.
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I think they have the usage of the word Ďmartingaleí a little off. A martingale is an actual piece of tack that is used to help set a horseís head. There are all different types, with different purposes. They can be plain or decorated, like the ones used in the Calvary. Not doubting the cave find came off a martingale, but the description in the link looks like it was written by a non-horse person.
Thank you. I thought the martingale was how you described it but this looks like a concho you would put on the center of the breast strap.
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Donít know about you but this lines up with my texas history and geography classes from high school.

Cant tell if itís ďpot metalĒ or silver but it was cast, not stamped


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