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Old 03-20-2017, 05:07 PM   #1
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So it seems as though our deer lease might be coming to an end soon. The land owner's son (David) lives on the property we hunt and he's always been good to us until this year. About 5 months ago he requested that our ram rod (Larry) put the electricity in his name. Larry reminded him the original agreement was that they provide electricity and water. He said yes I'm aware of that but this is how it has to be. So Larry (being the stand up guy he is) called the power company and started the process to switch the meter to his name. The power company told him he would have to pay the commercial rate because its not a residence. Well that translates into much higher bills (about three times higher to be honest). Flash forward to January and our well at the camp decides to stop working. David had a guy come out and look at it and it was determined to be to expensive to fix so now we have no water. Larry called me this morning to tell me he's getting off the lease because he asked David to lower the price of the lease until we have water again and David busted out laughing.
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Old 03-20-2017, 05:11 PM   #2
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You'll have the last laugh. He'll have fun trying to lease it with no water and high electric. He just screwed himself.
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You'll have the last laugh. He'll have fun trying to lease it with no water and high electric. He just screwed himself.
Someone will pay it regardless.
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Old 03-20-2017, 05:15 PM   #5
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Someone will pay it regardless.

Depends on how good it is, etc. He might have to eat it for a while.
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Old 03-20-2017, 05:20 PM   #6
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Depends on how good it is, etc. He might have to eat it for a while.
The hunting ain't all that great on this place but I'm allowed to bring my kids whenever I want and I that's why I like it there.
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Old 03-20-2017, 05:20 PM   #7
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Sounds like David has something else in mind probably wants to lease it to his buddies.
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How deep is the well? Might not be as bad as you think. Couple grand maybe less.
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Old 03-20-2017, 05:25 PM   #9
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How much are you paying now? How many hunters? acres?
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Old 03-20-2017, 05:26 PM   #10
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Where's it at. I can talk to David for ya.
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Old 03-20-2017, 05:27 PM   #11
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Old 03-20-2017, 05:28 PM   #12
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Where's it at. I can talk to David for ya.
You can reach David toll free at 1-800-eat-sh##
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Old 03-20-2017, 05:30 PM   #13
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So tell us more. Were you getting a really good deal? Did this David guy all of a sudden change on you guys?
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Old 03-20-2017, 05:30 PM   #14
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How much are you paying now? How many hunters? acres?
700 acres
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This got interesting
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Sent from somewhere in Old Mexico...
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Old 03-20-2017, 05:38 PM   #17
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Yes I will....I mean....um, yes, I'm sure someone will.... :-)


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Old 03-20-2017, 05:39 PM   #18
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This got interesting
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Sent from somewhere in Old Mexico...
And very quickly!

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I don't know where you're at but up here that would explain why. He maybe found out he could easily get double that, heck maybe triple. 5 hunters on 700 acres for 2.5k per gun would go quick I would think. Maybe not to TBHers.
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Old 03-20-2017, 05:48 PM   #20
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Sorry but for that price water would not be a priority for me personally.
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Old 03-20-2017, 07:14 PM   #21
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Never argue over electricity or water...pony up. Everyone knows how fast he could lease it out to someone for more money. I understand your frustration though. Its a personal choice to decide how much bs to put up with. I myself dont put up with much either
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Old 03-20-2017, 08:06 PM   #22
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Old 03-20-2017, 08:11 PM   #23
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$1750 each hunter?
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Old 03-20-2017, 08:17 PM   #24
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$1,750 x 3 = $5,250. $5,250 divided by 700 acres = $7.50/acre.

Not sure where you're at but that's a pretty sweet deal where we hunt (hill country). I would seriously reconsider your situation if I were you. Unless you're all tired of the place.
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Yep depending on the area thats a really good deal! If I found 700 acres for that price I'd lease it for me personally with nobody else if it were in a area I liked.
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Old 03-20-2017, 09:09 PM   #26
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Dang, y'all some cheap *******s!!! lol
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Old 03-20-2017, 09:11 PM   #27
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He could likely list it a 2K per spot and state no water or electric and have no issues filling it.
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Old 03-20-2017, 09:32 PM   #28
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Someone will lease it, and very quickly, prob the first person that reads the Craigslist add, if it even makes it to that.
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Old 03-20-2017, 10:58 PM   #29
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Guess I'm missing the part where water and electric are a big deal , haul 55 gallon barrel with you, and bring a generator problem solved
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Old 03-20-2017, 11:06 PM   #30
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We don't have water or electricity at my lease. Come to think about it, we don't have them at my dad's place either.
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Old 03-20-2017, 11:21 PM   #31
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LovinTxHuntin, I think people are missing your point. I think it is pretty crappy the guy is pulling this on you. It is a shame that people lack the integrity to abide by their agreements. He is showing a lack of that to just dump this on you. Maybe he is having some financial issues?? The guy should have at least sit down with yall and talked it over. Yes, I do agree you have a pretty good deal as far as price goes, and yes, unfortunately, the guy could lease it out for a lot more. Guess its up to you to decide if you are willing to lease from someone who is showing a lack of integrity. My question would be, is he going to pull something else on you in the future? Who knows, maybe he has an offer on the place and is looking at ways to chase you off.
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Old 03-20-2017, 11:40 PM   #32
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LovinTxHuntin, I think people are missing your point. I think it is pretty crappy the guy is pulling this on you. It is a shame that people lack the integrity to abide by their agreements. He is showing a lack of that to just dump this on you. Maybe he is having some financial issues?? The guy should have at least sit down with yall and talked it over. Yes, I do agree you have a pretty good deal as far as price goes, and yes, unfortunately, the guy could lease it out for a lot more. Guess its up to you to decide if you are willing to lease from someone who is showing a lack of integrity. My question would be, is he going to pull something else on you in the future? Who knows, maybe he has an offer on the place and is looking at ways to chase you off.
Yep!!
And I wouldn't be too quick on sayin somebody else will pay it. My brother went on a dig a couple months ago and said the LO's were begging for somebody to lease their places, thousands of acres, and nobody hunting them.
We are looking into a couple places now!!
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Old 03-21-2017, 08:27 AM   #33
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Depends on how good it is, etc. He might have to eat it for a while.
If he eats it for one year, he will be behind the 8 ball. When someone sticks it to you like that, simply wait until the very last moment (within your agreement) to tell them you are getting off. There's nothing wrong with it and he can sweat it for a while. Wait until the first 8 or 10 groups call and he says there is no water and electric is a few thousand a year. Smart people would leave.
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Plenty of people have no problem with no water/electric leases.. it will be gone quick for whatever the guy wants them to pay.
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Never argue over electricity or water...pony up. Everyone knows how fast he could lease it out to someone for more money. I understand your frustration though. Its a personal choice to decide how much bs to put up with. I myself dont put up with much either
I get where you're coming from but in the deer lease bidniss, elec and water is a staple. That's just smart.
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LovinTxHuntin, I think people are missing your point. I think it is pretty crappy the guy is pulling this on you. It is a shame that people lack the integrity to abide by their agreements. He is showing a lack of that to just dump this on you. Maybe he is having some financial issues?? The guy should have at least sit down with yall and talked it over. Yes, I do agree you have a pretty good deal as far as price goes, and yes, unfortunately, the guy could lease it out for a lot more. Guess its up to you to decide if you are willing to lease from someone who is showing a lack of integrity. My question would be, is he going to pull something else on you in the future? Who knows, maybe he has an offer on the place and is looking at ways to chase you off.
My neighbor once said, "The sh## never ends." In this situation, he would be correct. If it's not water and electric, it'll be something else. I just got off a lease that was this way. Now, ten of us are stuck with a $500 bill for who knows what. If you pay it, the situation will get worse and worse and worse. If you fix the water/drill a well (which in NB is outrageously costly), the following year, he will turn and lease it to someone else for twice as much. Leave a big dust trail on your way out.
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I get where you're coming from but in the deer lease bidniss, elec and water is a staple. That's just smart.
Most deer leases are simple supplemental income to the property they are on.
(ie Farms, ranches,etc) and the necessities some hunters require are definitely not a 'staple' to the landowners in terms of getting their property leased.
Amenities are selling points, but not requirements for leasing.

They aren't making more land.
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Buy your own land. Lease it out to a group of dumb hunters to make the payments. Load it up with sheep and goats that the hunters feed for you because you require them to feed year around. Hunt all their feeders and setups during the week when they are not there. Problem solved! Oh, and there's more money in raising goats and sheep than there are cattle.
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Most deer leases are simple supplemental income to the property they are on.
(ie Farms, ranches,etc) and the necessities some hunters require are definitely not a 'staple' to the landowners in terms of getting their property leased.
Amenities are selling points, but not requirements for leasing.

They aren't making more land.
Agreed
I dont get why a person requires elec. and water.
If i had to find another lease i would not sign anything that required me to pay for elec. or water because i would not use any. And I certainly be fine to find a place that did not provide either.
Id never pay for improvements to another man place ( like dig or repair a well)
Id help with the labor on any project but im not paying for it.
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Plenty of people have no problem with no water/electric leases.. it will be gone quick for whatever the guy wants them to pay.
True. Water is easy if you have a travel trailer with fresh water holding tank. I have eight 6-gallon water containers that I've used for this purpose on a couple of leases. And it was really not that big a deal.

Electricity is a little harder to do without in my opinion. I would have tried to negotiate with the owner to leave the electricity in his name for the lower rate and just raise the price of the lease to cover it. Then just fix the well only if it's worth it to you. If not, haul in water. No big deal.
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Agreed
I dont get why a person requires elec. and water.
If i had to find another lease i would not sign anything that required me to pay for elec. or water because i would not use any. And I certainly be fine to find a place that did not provide either.
Id never pay for improvements to another man place ( like dig or repair a well)
Id help with the labor on any project but im not paying for it.
If you want to work on your place in the summer and sweat your butt off for days on end with no shower, that's your deal. I care more about my bowhunting than that. I said it was a staple. I didn't say someone wouldn't lease a piece of unimproved property but lacking those "amenities" lowers the value in my eyes. As much as it costs to hunt and purchase equipment and feed, I'm not going to sell my success short by not showering and neglecting basic needs. If you guys want that, sounds like there's a place in New Braunfels that just opened up.
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you are getting testy.
There are a lot of TBHers that do fresh water tanks on their setups...you know this...you've been around long enough to read their threads both in the campfire and DIY...
they certainly don't 'sell their success short'... by any means.

Man.. when did hunting become so wussified that people get ****** off when they cant take a shower in air conditioning?
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If you want to work on your place in the summer and sweat your butt off for days on end with no shower, that's your deal. I care more about my bowhunting than that. I said it was a staple. I didn't say someone wouldn't lease a piece of unimproved property but lacking those "amenities" lowers the value in my eyes. As much as it costs to hunt and purchase equipment and feed, I'm not going to sell my success short by not showering and neglecting basic needs. If you guys want that, sounds like there's a place in New Braunfels that just opened up.
He's paying $7.50 per acre. That's super low. All we're saying is he's on a cheap lease. One can't expect to be on a cheap lease AND have water and electric and 200" bucks and exotics.

You can want in one hand and.........


Also, I'd like to hear the other side of this story. If you had agreements then he was wrong for breaking them. But lets face it, verbal agreements now a days are worth the paper you use to wipe with.
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Old 03-21-2017, 09:25 AM   #44
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If you want to work on your place in the summer and sweat your butt off for days on end with no shower, that's your deal. I care more about my bowhunting than that. I said it was a staple. I didn't say someone wouldn't lease a piece of unimproved property but lacking those "amenities" lowers the value in my eyes. As much as it costs to hunt and purchase equipment and feed, I'm not going to sell my success short by not showering and neglecting basic needs. If you guys want that, sounds like there's a place in New Braunfels that just opened up.
Bring a couple 5 gal buckets of water and a portable hot water shower. We take hot showers in the back country of NM.
There are many options. Most a lot cheaper that paying another mans water/ elec. bills
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you are getting testy.
There are a lot of TBHers that do fresh water tanks on their setups...you know this...you've been around long enough to read their threads both in the campfire and DIY...
they certainly don't 'sell their success short'... by any means.

Man.. when did hunting become so wussified that people get ****** off when they cant take a shower in air conditioning?
No, I'm not testy. Tone isn't conveyed well through text. I'm trying to offer advice from my personal experiences. My frustration is not with hunters here. I have hunted in less than desirable conditions, bathed in cisterns in December, etc. BTW, that's freakin' COLD. My frustration is with landowners that allow their places to fall into disrepair and expect hunters to fix and improve the basics when they're charging top dollar. Those that refuse to invest any money back into their property don't get my dollars anymore. I have made things work, froze my butt off, stayed in cabins that rats were scared of but the lease prices were a lot cheaper. These days, I don't have time to set up a village so, if I'm paying $3K to hunt 120 class deer, I should have access to water and elec. The lease I just got off, the landowner would do NOTHING to improve or repair things. He had half mile stretches of fence lying on the ground. We didn't mind helping but he wouldn't buy the wire or t-posts. I've seen this play out too many times, the OP is headed for misery with this guy or a major price increase.
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OP.....if you decide to get off this place, I'll trade ya some contact info on another place.
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Buy your own land. Lease it out to a group of dumb hunters to make the payments. Load it up with sheep and goats that the hunters feed for you because you require them to feed year around. Hunt all their feeders and setups during the week when they are not there. Problem solved! Oh, and there's more money in raising goats and sheep than there are cattle.
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Old 03-21-2017, 09:57 AM   #48
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How deep is the well? Might not be as bad as you think. Couple grand maybe less.
Pump went out on my well (230 feet deep) and it cost about $4,500 to pull old and replace (we had a couple of other minor things done, too). The well company has always been good to us, so I know they weren't ripping me off.
If I'm the landowner, I wouldn't spend that much unless I was using the water for other purposes.
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Join Date: Mar 2009
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My lease has electricity, but no water. No problem, I haul a 55 gallon barrel of water out to the lease a few times a year to fill the fresh water tank on the trailer. Now I have hot water and shower. I don't even sweat filling it up. use an electric pump to fill from the back of the truck to the RV. Don't even have the move the 55 gallon drum an inch.
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Old 03-21-2017, 10:34 AM   #50
Tomkat70
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