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Old 03-20-2017, 09:21 AM   #1
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I have a Specialized Hardrock. I previously had an Enduro. I am not happy with the shift levels and derailleurs compared to the Enduro. I don't need that nice of a bike, but I was curious how much better the Rockhopper is over the Hardrock.
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Old 03-20-2017, 09:32 AM   #2
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My 2003 Rockhopper came with Deore/LX components, but it seems like the components went down to Acera level on later models to keep the price under control. My current 2011 Rockhopper 29er has Deore level, which is fine for what I do, but I believe the previous owner upgraded over what the bike woulda come with standard.

BTW, lots of great bikes out there and probably some that are better than the Rockhopper, but I love the Rockhopper. Given how hard I've crashed on it I am very impressed with its durability and ability to stay tuned and smooth even after a beating.
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Old 03-20-2017, 09:39 AM   #3
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Are you talking current model year?
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Old 03-20-2017, 09:45 AM   #4
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My 2003 Rockhopper came with Deore/LX components, but it seems like the components went down to Acera level on later models to keep the price under control. My current 2011 Rockhopper 29er has Deore level, which is fine for what I do, but I believe the previous owner upgraded over what the bike woulda come with standard.

BTW, lots of great bikes out there and probably some that are better than the Rockhopper, but I love the Rockhopper. Given how hard I've crashed on it I am very impressed with its durability and ability to stay tuned and smooth even after a beating.
I agree they are finely engineered machines. I wish I had my Enduro back, but I was offered $300 less than what I paid for it new and couldn't not sell it at the time. It was an impressive beast that goes beyond most people's comprehension. I also do not ride that kind of stuff anymore. The falls are too damaging and frequent.

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Are you talking current model year?
I have I believe a 2012 29er disc Hardrock. I would be looking at a new Rock Hopper.
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Old 03-20-2017, 09:50 AM   #5
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When I rode a lot (a while ago.) I always bought a bike based on the components more than anything else. I would find a frame I liked and then I would buy the model that gave me the components I wanted. The funny part was that I usually like the components that were top end - 1. For instance, on Shimano, these were the ultegra line (might be showing my age.) They required little to no maintenance and were practically bomb proof. But the Dura-ace wasn't worth it because they constantly needed attention.

Also, and I can't stress this enough, learn how to work on your own bike and pay very close attention to how the cables are cut and routed. Once you learn how to replace cable/housing and tune the shifter/derailer, you will be able to just deal with any nuisances that come with the different rated components. I've seen so many tight loops on derailer cables and that just makes the shifting so crappy. So many folks don't know how to align and adjust their shifting system and it all falls apart.

If you shifting gets funky on a ride, you should be able to adjust it without getting off the bike if you know how, or at least get off and adjust it in a matter of a minute (if it is really bad.)
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Old 03-20-2017, 10:35 AM   #6
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When I rode a lot (a while ago.) I always bought a bike based on the components more than anything else. I would find a frame I liked and then I would buy the model that gave me the components I wanted. The funny part was that I usually like the components that were top end - 1. For instance, on Shimano, these were the ultegra line (might be showing my age.) They required little to no maintenance and were practically bomb proof. But the Dura-ace wasn't worth it because they constantly needed attention.

Also, and I can't stress this enough, learn how to work on your own bike and pay very close attention to how the cables are cut and routed. Once you learn how to replace cable/housing and tune the shifter/derailer, you will be able to just deal with any nuisances that come with the different rated components. I've seen so many tight loops on derailer cables and that just makes the shifting so crappy. So many folks don't know how to align and adjust their shifting system and it all falls apart.

If you shifting gets funky on a ride, you should be able to adjust it without getting off the bike if you know how, or at least get off and adjust it in a matter of a minute (if it is really bad.)
The shift levers are really cheap on the Hardrock. For the cost of a better set of components, I could pretty much buy a new Rockhopper. I'm just not smart enough to understand what components are good.
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Old 03-20-2017, 10:42 AM   #7
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So, as others have mentioned, you are talking about components. Need to know what you have on your Hardrock compared to what you would get on the Rockhopper. For Shimano I'd want SLX or better. For SRAM I'd say X7 or better.

Overall the Rockhopper is going to be a better quality frame allowing you to upgrade in the future. Specialized makes some pretty solid stuff.
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Old 03-20-2017, 10:44 AM   #8
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I run all SRAM XO components on my Niner. This is my second set of SRAM components and I can say Ill never buy the cheap or mid range components again.

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Old 03-20-2017, 10:47 AM   #9
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I was testing a surly single speed karate monkey a couple months back. I asked if they could put some gears if the ss was not working out. The shop said they could set me up with quality components for about 300.00.
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Old 03-20-2017, 10:53 AM   #10
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Frame Specialized A1 Premium butted-aluminum
Fork SR SunTour, 80mm-travel
Rims/Wheels Alex HR disc 29
Hubs Aluminum
Spokes 14g stainless-steel
Tires Specialized Fast Trak LK Sport, 29 x 2.0
Crankset SR SunTour
Chainrings 42/32/22
Front Derailleur Shimano Altus
Rear Derailleur SRAM X-3
Rear Cogs Shimano, 7-speed: 12-32
Shifters SRAM X-3
Handlebars Aluminum riser
Tape/Grips Specialized Enduro, dual-compound
Stem Aluminum
Brake Levers Aluminum
Brakes Tektro Novela mechanical-disc
Pedals Composite platform
Saddle Specialized Body Geometry Hardrock
Seatpost Aluminum

Specs for my 2012 Hardrock
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Old 03-20-2017, 10:57 AM   #11
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I can't say a whole lot about individual components. Just bike buying advice.

Bikes, like everything else, depreciate a ton. There are also lots of "go-getters" who purchase bikes thinking they are going to be mountain bikers, then it doesn't work out. What I am getting at is........craigslist. You can get a really nice bike from someone for almost half price. I was looking at new Hardrocks and ended up with a Carve for way less. The guy met me at a bike shop for prior inspection before I bought it.

Base your offers off of https://www.bicyclebluebook.com/

Don't be afraid to "low ball" someone whos asking too much. People get a little upset when they spend 2k on a bike, and realize its only worth 1k by the next year. 750 by the following.

Just copy and paste the link of the blue book.

(Its also fun to look up all your old bikes to see "what its worth")

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Old 03-20-2017, 11:10 AM   #12
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My first MTB long ago was the Hardrock. I grew up racing BMX and jumping things is good times for me. I snapped my hardrock frame at the neck jumping off a 3 foot ledge. That frame is too thin for me in doing anything other than normal trail riding. I currently own a Specialized P3, Epic and Allez. Just sold my Stumpjumper not long ago and it was one the best all around bikes for the price I've ever had. Definitely agree with above, upgrade those components to SLX or better.
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Old 03-20-2017, 11:44 AM   #13
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I also tested a specialized fuse comp plus. It had the upgraded specs but it just did not feel right to me.

I ended purchasing a new bike off of pink bike classifieds. Saved me just over 150 bucks even with shipping plus I did not pay a 7.35% sales tax. The local shops did not have the size frame I needed and would not get it in until late April.
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Old 03-20-2017, 01:49 PM   #14
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I also tested a specialized fuse comp plus. It had the upgraded specs but it just did not feel right to me.

I ended purchasing a new bike off of pink bike classifieds. Saved me just over 150 bucks even with shipping plus I did not pay a 7.35% sales tax. The local shops did not have the size frame I needed and would not get it in until late April.
I got $700 off the Enduro and $150 off the Hardrock, so I know there is wiggle room. I worry about the beating used bikes take, but I'll check out the site.
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Old 03-20-2017, 02:10 PM   #15
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I forgot to mention I did replace the cassette and chain. There was some rust from when the bike got wet and I did not dry and oil it. That did not help.
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Old 03-20-2017, 02:16 PM   #16
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Why not just upgrade your components. Swapping out a new shifter and rear mech is easy. You can get a sram x9 or deore xt setup for around 150
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Frame Specialized A1 Premium butted-aluminum
Fork SR SunTour, 80mm-travel
Rims/Wheels Alex HR disc 29
Hubs Aluminum
Spokes 14g stainless-steel
Tires Specialized Fast Trak LK Sport, 29 x 2.0
Crankset SR SunTour
Chainrings 42/32/22
Front Derailleur Shimano Altus
Rear Derailleur SRAM X-3
Rear Cogs Shimano, 7-speed: 12-32
Shifters SRAM X-3
Handlebars Aluminum riser
Tape/Grips Specialized Enduro, dual-compound
Stem Aluminum
Brake Levers Aluminum
Brakes Tektro Novela mechanical-disc
Pedals Composite platform
Saddle Specialized Body Geometry Hardrock
Seatpost Aluminum

Specs for my 2012 Hardrock
Suntour, SRAM X-3 and Alex Rims are crap. You wouldn't believe all the extra weight you are carrying around.
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Old 03-20-2017, 10:39 PM   #18
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I actually prefer sram. I love specialized frames and geometry. Suntour, meh, not so thrilled. Rather have deore. You can find components in eBay for ridiculous discounts. I still have my 1994 stumpjumper comp. Love that bike.

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Old 03-20-2017, 10:44 PM   #19
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Way better value in used. But, fit first. You can swap limbs and cams on a bow, but not much range of adjustment on a bike.
Like a bow or gun,need to know what you're looking at and for.

29'er if you do any actual mtb'ing. Air-sprung fork with rebound adjustment. At least 10 speed. No 3x. 2x or 1x drivetrain is fine wither way. X7 or better for Sram, Deore or better for Shimano.

Discs mandatory, hydraulic preferred but I wouldn't sweat it unless you plan to do serious mtb'ing.

Now if you're just going to ride down dirt roads at the ranch, ignore the above.
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Old 03-21-2017, 08:02 AM   #20
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Upgrade your components.
I have a rockhopper disc and I upgraded the shifters and derailer. It makes a big difference.
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Old 03-21-2017, 08:21 AM   #21
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I was testing a surly single speed karate monkey a couple months back. I asked if they could put some gears if the ss was not working out. The shop said they could set me up with quality components for about 300.00.
What was your opinion of the single speed?
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Old 03-21-2017, 08:31 AM   #22
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I'm not riding more than pulling my 2 year old around in a trailer. I'm swapping the knobbys for some street tires. The bike is not shifting well going up hill. It has been adjusted, but gets unadjusted under light riding. Just unacceptable. The bike is pampered. I don't want to adjust it everytime I ride. I don't have that kind of time. If our neighborhood was flat, it wouldn't even be a problem, but we have big hills, so I need more from the bike.
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Old 03-21-2017, 09:01 AM   #23
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I'm not riding more than pulling my 2 year old around in a trailer. I'm swapping the knobbys for some street tires. The bike is not shifting well going up hill. It has been adjusted, but gets unadjusted under light riding. Just unacceptable. The bike is pampered. I don't want to adjust it everytime I ride. I don't have that kind of time. If our neighborhood was flat, it wouldn't even be a problem, but we have big hills, so I need more from the bike.
Quality components will fix that problem. I have a Niner hardtail that I converted to a street bike. I have SRAM X-9 shifters and derailleurs with a shimano xt sprocket. I used it for the long rides and it eats up the hills with no problem.
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Old 03-21-2017, 10:53 AM   #24
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Where are you buying components? Ebay and Amazon?
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