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Like said earlier, liberals love them some muslims as much as they hate America.
DA people. But the supreme court will pretty much tell this judge to pound sand.
Its a legit order
Its a legit concern
Its perfectly constitutional
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Hey kids anyone remember when a democrat put Japanese AMERICANS in
Internment camps!!! Now that was a wonderful example of AMERICAN values
And these same silly libs throw a fit because a Republican want to put a shot term hold on folks traveling to our country from war torn terrorist havens.

You folks really love our wonderful country......yeah right
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It's very clear what Trump is doing, & what Obummer along w/several other POTUS have done, is completely legal.

Title 8, Chapter 12, US Code 1182:

(f) Suspension of entry or imposition of restrictions by President

Whenever the President finds that the entry of any aliens or of any class of aliens into the United States would be detrimental to the interests of the United States, he may by proclamation, and for such period as he shall deem necessary, suspend the entry of all aliens or any class of aliens as immigrants or nonimmigrants, or impose on the entry of aliens any restrictions he may deem to be appropriate. Whenever the Attorney General finds that a commercial airline has failed to comply with regulations of the Attorney General relating to requirements of airlines for the detection of fraudulent documents used by passengers traveling to the United States (including the training of personnel in such detection), the Attorney General may suspend the entry of some or all aliens transported to the United States by such airline.
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Maybe it's his rhetoric, the judge more or less said so.

Let your mouth run like diarrhea, pay the consequences.
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Hey kids anyone remember when a democrat put Japanese AMERICANS in
Internment camps!!! Now that was a wonderful example of AMERICAN values
And these same silly libs throw a fit because a Republican want to put a shot term hold on folks traveling to our country from war torn terrorist havens.

You folks really love our wonderful country......yeah right
While the name is the same... the Democrats of the late 19th and early 20th century are in no way related to today's Democrats any more that today's Republicans resemble the party of Lincoln from the same period...

This isn't about party... it is about socialism and one world order... Look deep enough and you'll find George Soros's money behind it...
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Add Hawaii to the boycott list. The whole state of Hawaii!!!!

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The liberal judges are well aware of the law and that the President can legally do as he wishes to do with the travel restrictions. They believe it is morally "evil" and therefore they are morally justified to do whatever they wish to stop it.
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The liberal judges are well aware of the law and that the President can legally do as he wishes to do with the travel restrictions. They believe it is morally "evil" and therefore they are morally justified to do whatever they wish to stop it.
I agree with most of your post but i would not give them credit for using a moral justification for their actions. Its nothing more than wanting to cause trouble for the / or any president that does not have a D in front of their name.
They would not and xbow and others would not have a problem in hillery were in there making the same decisions
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The liberal judges are well aware of the law and that the President can legally do as he wishes to do with the travel restrictions. They believe it is morally "evil" and therefore they are morally justified to do whatever they wish to stop it.
Yeah. Like Xbow claiming morals pushed on others. Ironic, isn't it?
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These activist judges are pretty ridiculous. It will be ruled constitutional.
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While the name is the same... the Democrats of the late 19th and early 20th century are in no way related to today's Democrats any more that today's Republicans resemble the party of Lincoln from the same period...

This isn't about party... it is about socialism and one world order......
Mike you nailed this to the wall! Folks are truly missing the bigger and much more important picture in all of this hoopla. Neither party gives a rats butt about YOU (us).......the citizen. Everything is about power, control and money. I am sure the supreme court will figure it out and side with the POTUS. I do agree his diarrhea of the mouth is continuously proving to be his own worst enemy even when he is right.
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Neither party gives a rats butt about YOU (us).......the citizen.
I believe neither party cares about us. But I believe Trump does (can't believe I just wrote that!).
IF he doesn't care about us then why is he doing this?
"Power"? He has it
"Control"? He has it
"Money"? He has it
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I believe neither party cares about us. But I believe Trump does (can't believe I just wrote that!).
IF he doesn't care about us then why is he doing this?
"Power"? He has it
"Control"? He has it
"Money"? He has it
I wish that were true, but that is not what I believe.

The same could be said for a lot of rich and powerful people. Why do rich people go to work every day? Why didn't Trump retire years ago? He had all that stuff then.

Because they want MORE of it. Not saying that is necessarily a bad thing. It is just human nature.
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I believe neither party cares about us. But I believe Trump does (can't believe I just wrote that!).
IF he doesn't care about us then why is he doing this?
"Power"? He has it
"Control"? He has it
"Money"? He has it

Not the perfect example but illustrates a huge misnomer in this nation!

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I wish that were true, but that is not what I believe.

The same could be said for a lot of rich and powerful people. Why do rich people go to work every day? Why didn't Trump retire years ago? He had all that stuff then.

Because they want MORE of it. Not saying that is necessarily a bad thing. It is just human nature.
Bingo.....u beat me to it.

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Not the perfect example but illustrates a huge misnomer in this nation!

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Figure his connection comes from employing tens of thousands of blue collar workers. Hillary has/had no such connection.
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Figure his connection comes from employing tens of thousands of blue collar workers. Hillary has/had no such connection.
Kinda what i was thinking
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Figure his connection comes from employing tens of thousands of blue collar workers. Hillary has/had no such connection.
Just like I believe the primary ownership of the multi nationals (5x bigger than Trumps corporation) I have worked for during my career have ANY idea how I live..........LOL! Like I stated earlier.........HUGE misnomer in our society.
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Figure his connection comes from employing tens of thousands of blue collar workers. Hillary has/had no such connection.
Hillary wanted to employ millions of folks, just like Obama did. Only thing is they don't have to show up to work (welfare) to get that check.
Let me know when Trump takes them off the payroll.
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Just like I believe the primary ownership of the multi nationals (5x bigger than Trumps corporation) I have worked for during my career have ANY idea how I live..........LOL! Like I stated earlier.........HUGE misnomer in our society.
Cant speak for you or anyone else, but its plausible to me that millions of people feel they have a connection to the man. He may not be blue collar but he talks the talk and is currently walking the walk to support them. In the O&G industry where I work its common that the CEO and COO came up from the bottom, working on rigs/platforms and manufacturing zones alongside unskilled and skilled labor. You can tell when they have in their leadership styles. Same when I was in the Army. Officers that were prior enlisted were generally the best leaders and officers. I understand Trump was never on the bottom rung but it appears from what Ive seen he has gone out of his way to always be involved in his operations even at the lowest of levels. I would consider Trumps leadership style to be the same as the examples I mentioned above. I think that's what people see and mean when they say something like "he gets us".
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Just like I believe the primary ownership of the multi nationals (5x bigger than Trumps corporation) I have worked for during my career have ANY idea how I live..........LOL! Like I stated earlier.........HUGE misnomer in our society.

I'm still somewhat amazed that a man that possesses so much wealth and power and has had access to places and parts of this world that I will never see...
Can remain to be so seemingly ignorant. And completely classless.


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Cant speak for you or anyone else, but its plausible to me that millions of people feel they have a connection to the man. He may not be blue collar but he talks the talk and is currently walking the walk to support them. In the O&G industry where I work its common that the CEO and COO came up from the bottom, working on rigs/platforms and manufacturing zones alongside unskilled and skilled labor. You can tell when they have in their leadership styles. Same when I was in the Army. Officers that were prior enlisted were generally the best leaders and officers. I understand Trump was never on the bottom rung but it appears from what Ive seen he has gone out of his way to always be involved in his operations even at the lowest of levels. I would consider Trumps leadership style to be the same as the examples I mentioned above. I think that's what people see and mean when they say something like "he gets us".
I follow that and can sincerely respect the thought process! Probably no wrong or right but worth a deeper dive.
My entire career has been in sales or marketing on a high/technical level. Most of our CEO's were from our ranks but not for one moment do I believe they spend their days now as CEO (20 years later)dwelling on their previous role in the company. It is about maximizing profits on that level.........period. The rest of the job is protecting the castle and keeping the TEAM engaged (working 60+ hours if they can)! WE can all feel good about the guy that once was where I am or was, but I ain't voting for anyone on a "feel good" moment!
Heck, the wife and I have 30 employees now and honestly we cannot fully relate to where they are in life. We make a huge "feel good" effort to be part of the TEAM when & where possible.
Congrats to TRUMP for grabbing a nice chunk of the American Dream but in no way will I subscribe his going on a construction worksite or going into a casino kitchen for a "visit" to he GET's IT! Heck, my buddy Bush Sr did not know how much a gallon of milk cost back in the 90's. Geez, I don't know how much a gallon of milk cost today nor a gallon of gas to be perfectly honest. I have not bought milk since my kid was a baby and gas is just part of something I have to get to move my day forward. You think Trump knows what such mundane items cost? Oh, no doubt Hillary surely does not GET IT either (not sure how she got in this).....
Bottom line, a BILLIONAIRE relating to a millionaires issues is a obtuse thought at best. But a BILIONAIRE relating to a first-line service worker or someone making a living with there hands ..............I sincerely think not! But it does make for a wonderful campaign slogan and seems to be something for "some" folks to hold onto.
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I'm still somewhat amazed that a man that possesses so much wealth and power and has had access to places and parts of this world that I will never see...
Can remain to be so seemingly ignorant. And completely classless.


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I think Landrover is pretty classy myself.
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I think Landrover is pretty classy myself.
LOL.........u sooooooo wrong! I pray I can only be a catalyst to maybe have future generations of my family to be in the rarified air of the .01 folks in the world.
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I follow that and can sincerely respect the thought process! Probably no wrong or right but worth a deeper dive.
My entire career has been in sales or marketing on a high/technical level. Most of our CEO's were from our ranks but not for one moment do I believe they spend their days now as CEO (20 years later)dwelling on their previous role in the company. It is about maximizing profits on that level.........period. The rest of the job is protecting the castle and keeping the TEAM engaged (working 60+ hours if they can)! WE can all feel good about the guy that once was where I am or was, but I ain't voting for anyone on a "feel good" moment!
Heck, the wife and I have 30 employees now and honestly we cannot fully relate to where they are in life. We make a huge "feel good" effort to be part of the TEAM when & where possible.
Congrats to TRUMP for grabbing a nice chunk of the American Dream but in no way will I subscribe his going on a construction worksite or going into a casino kitchen for a "visit" to he GET's IT! Heck, my buddy Bush Sr did not know how much a gallon of milk cost back in the 90's. Geez, I don't know how much a gallon of milk cost today nor a gallon of gas to be perfectly honest. I have not bought milk since my kid was a baby and gas is just part of something I have to get to move my day forward. You think Trump knows what such mundane items cost? Oh, no doubt Hillary surely does not GET IT either (not sure how she got in this).....
Bottom line, a BILLIONAIRE relating to a millionaires issues is a obtuse thought at best. But a BILIONAIRE relating to a first-line service worker or someone making a living with there hands ..............I sincerely think not! But it does make for a wonderful campaign slogan and seems to be something for "some" folks to hold onto.
Maybe an understanding is a better word then relating. Like was stated above, you can rule out the usual suspects of motivation a politician would have for running for office. I would be curious to what the motivation is if it isn't to give back to the country that made him rich. The only thing left if it isn't that is some megalomaniacal desire for power. If its that then why is he bothering to fulfill campaign promises, that's the first thing politicians do is fail on those. My wife recently bought his book The Art of the Deal. . Everything he is doing now he has been doing for his entire adult life. He seems to have come up with some formula of principles and has stuck with it. When I say everything I mean everything. Its almost scary.
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I'm still somewhat amazed that a man that possesses so much wealth and power and has had access to places and parts of this world that I will never see...
Can remain to be so seemingly ignorant. And completely classless.


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I still can't figure out why or how so many people can believe all his crazy stories, lies & have trust in him ???
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I still can't figure out why or how so many people can believe all his crazy stories, lies & have trust in him ???
Which lies are you referring to?
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I still can't figure out why or how so many people can believe all his crazy stories, lies & have trust in him ???
No ****.
But not to hijack or deviate too far from XBow's thread and back to the point.

I was watching his pep rally in Tennessee last evening (like a bad car wreck, can't look, can't look away), when Trump learned that the federal court(s) had again denied his travel ban.

And what was his reaction?

I'll answer my own question. He demeaned and insulted the District federal judges and the Ninth Circuit Court of Appeals.

Does he not understand that federal judges cannot be fired? And does he not understand that federal judges (no matter who appointed them) are also human beings and will take slurs and insults personal? And could their personal feelings possibly influence their rulings?

Again, I'll answer my own question(s). I reckon not. Ergo, ignorance. Try as they may, nobody can get around it. Not even Kellyanne or Spicer. Good grief, I bet they hate to get out of bed every morning to attempt to come up with "alternative facts" and spin to cover his dumb ***.

Classless; I'll just touch on, I ain't got the inclination or the time to expound upon it. Aside from all the stupid **** that he says and does...

He can afford the best tailor on the planet. But yet - his suits don't fit. And does he only own one tie? Yeah, the red one - that is about 8 or 10 inches too long.


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Maybe it's his rhetoric, the judge more or less said so.

Let your mouth run like diarrhea, pay the consequences.


He was perfectly within his power to do what he did. One or both of his orders will be upheld in court. The judges are playing politicians, not following the law.


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When judges put the country and the constitution at risk
Well, they deserve a few insults. And the 9th circuit is the biggest joke in American law hist. So they definitely need much ridicule.
Kinda of petty for a man to criticize a man clothing....unless you happen to be in 5 grade
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No ****.
But not to hijack or deviate too far from XBow's thread and back to the point.

I was watching his pep rally in Tennessee last evening (like a bad car wreck, can't look, can't look away), when Trump learned that the federal court(s) had again denied his travel ban.

And what was his reaction?

I'll answer my own question. He demeaned and insulted the District federal judges and the Ninth Circuit Court of Appeals.

Does he not understand that federal judges cannot be fired? And does he not understand that federal judges (no matter who appointed them) are also human beings and will take slurs and insults personal? And could their personal feelings possibly influence their rulings?

Again, I'll answer my own question(s). I reckon not. Ergo, ignorance. Try as they may, nobody can get around it. Not even Kellyanne or Spicer. Good grief, I bet they hate to get out of bed every morning to attempt to come up with "alternative facts" and spin to cover his dumb ***.

Classless; I'll just touch on, I ain't got the inclination or the time to expound upon it. Aside from all the stupid **** that he says and does...

He can afford the best tailor on the planet. But yet - his suits don't fit. And does he only own one tie? Yeah, the red one - that is about 8 or 10 inches too long.


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It's very clear what Trump is doing, & what Obummer along w/several other POTUS have done, is completely legal.

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Whenever the President finds that the entry of any aliens or of any class of aliens into the United States would be detrimental to the interests of the United States, he may by proclamation, and for such period as he shall deem necessary, suspend the entry of all aliens or any class of aliens as immigrants or nonimmigrants, or impose on the entry of aliens any restrictions he may deem to be appropriate. Whenever the Attorney General finds that a commercial airline has failed to comply with regulations of the Attorney General relating to requirements of airlines for the detection of fraudulent documents used by passengers traveling to the United States (including the training of personnel in such detection), the Attorney General may suspend the entry of some or all aliens transported to the United States by such airline.
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Well, they deserve a few insults. And the 9th circuit is the biggest joke in American law hist. So they definitely need much ridicule.
Kinda of petty for a man to criticize a man clothing....unless you happen to be in 5 grade
Flywise; All Courts of Appeals are real and have enormous power. Ridicule can never abolish them. As long as our Constitution remains intact. And yes, you and I, and all citizens of the US of A have the right to think what we think and to say what we have to say on the matter. Although admittedly redundant, I do respect your rights to free speech. I simply ask that you afford me the said same rights. Though that concept may be entirely foreign to you.

Moving on along...
I graduated from the 5th grade, oh... I think, in 1957. Even back then, I was conscious of appearances, not only of my own, but of others around me. I don't think that is unusual, nor unimportant. Many, many folks also feel the same way, particularly when possibly being in the spotlight or under observation.

Arrogant, although it may sound to any interested or disinterested readers; Whatever or wherever the occasion, the gathering, may be... A casual cookout, a fine restaurant, a ballgame or just putting on my carefully selected outfit to go to my blind... I will be possibly the best dressed man in sight. I call it respect. Both for myself and for those that are around me and might just care a little bit.

If you don't, well, you don't. And that is your prerogative (definition; your choice).

Oh...
Until now, I've never spoken to you directly. If you feel compelled to come back with the "liberal card", which seems to be your one and only hole card... You're invited and I will accept your invitation; call me out on a new thread. Right away and right now, I will say that in some respects that I am indeed, a liberal. And people will be ice-skating in hell before I apologize for being who I am.


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No ****.

But not to hijack or deviate too far from XBow's thread and back to the point.



I was watching his pep rally in Tennessee last evening (like a bad car wreck, can't look, can't look away), when Trump learned that the federal court(s) had again denied his travel ban.



And what was his reaction?



I'll answer my own question. He demeaned and insulted the District federal judges and the Ninth Circuit Court of Appeals.



Does he not understand that federal judges cannot be fired? And does he not understand that federal judges (no matter who appointed them) are also human beings and will take slurs and insults personal? And could their personal feelings possibly influence their rulings?



Again, I'll answer my own question(s). I reckon not. Ergo, ignorance. Try as they may, nobody can get around it. Not even Kellyanne or Spicer. Good grief, I bet they hate to get out of bed every morning to attempt to come up with "alternative facts" and spin to cover his dumb ***.



Classless; I'll just touch on, I ain't got the inclination or the time to expound upon it. Aside from all the stupid **** that he says and does...



He can afford the best tailor on the planet. But yet - his suits don't fit. And does he only own one tie? Yeah, the red one - that is about 8 or 10 inches too long.





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Those judges need to be removed from the bench if they let rhetoric influence their decisions. They are there to interpret the law and apply it. Nothing more, nothing less.


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Flywise; All Courts of Appeals are real and have enormous power. Ridicule can never abolish them. As long as our Constitution remains intact. And yes, you and I, and all citizens of the US of A have the right to think what we think and to say what we have to say on the matter. Although admittedly redundant, I do respect your rights to free speech. I simply ask that you afford me the said same rights. Though that concept may be entirely foreign to you.

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I graduated from the 5th grade, oh... I think, in 1957. Even back then, I was conscious of appearances, not only of my own, but of others around me. I don't think that is unusual, nor unimportant. Many, many folks also feel the same way, particularly when possibly being in the spotlight or under observation.

Arrogant, although it may sound to any interested or disinterested readers; Whatever or wherever the occasion, the gathering, may be... A casual cookout, a fine restaurant, a ballgame or just putting on my carefully selected outfit to go to my blind... I will be possibly the best dressed man in sight. I call it respect. Both for myself and for those that are around me and might just care a little bit.

If you don't, well, you don't. And that is your prerogative (definition; your choice).
I have not tried
Oh...
Until now, I've never spoken to you directly. If you feel compelled to come back with the "liberal card", which seems to be your one and only hole card... You're invited and I will accept your invitation; call me out on a new thread. Right away and right now, I will say that in some respects that I am indeed, a liberal. And people will be ice-skating in hell before I apologize for being who I am.


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When have i tried To limit anyones speach? You can critized the presidens dress
I simply Pointed out typically that keep nd of criticism is found on play grounds.
I only i call out liberalism when people say things that are liberal or act like liberals and claim to be something else, like say a libertarian for example.
I learned a learned a long time ago that one group of people like to throw around accusations, make up facts but generally have no interedt in people calling them out on them. So its quite funny actually. I dont believe i have ever spent ken to you directly either before i my last post but you took a criticism of your comment about the way a man dressed and replied with more petty stuff like definitions, and insults. Pretty much typical of the way i expect folks on your side of the isle would.
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First, and foremost, I absolutely agree with you in regard to law and constitutional interpretations.

But...
Unfortunately, federal judges cannot be removed from the bench. They can only retire or die. And whether we agree or disagree, they have the hammer.


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Who determines or judges that they did that?

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Who determines or judges that they did that?
It appears the supreme court will have to now....which they will.
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When have i tried To limit anyones speach? You can critized the presidens dress
I simply Pointed out typically that keep nd of criticism is found on play grounds.
I only i call out liberalism when people say things that are liberal or act like liberals and claim to be something else, like say a libertarian for example.
I learned a learned a long time ago that one group of people like to throw around accusations, make up facts but generally have no interedt in people calling them out on them. So its quite funny actually. I dont believe i have ever spent ken to you directly either before i my last post but you took a criticism of your comment about the way a man dressed and replied with more petty stuff like definitions, and insults. Pretty much typical of the way i expect folks on your side of the isle would.
To answer your first question (sentence): Often.

Please allow me to make a few laps to get to my point.

I'm an old man and aging is an evolutionary process; a refinement process. I don't mean to say that one becomes "refined' (better}. It means that it has been a long, and sometimes difficult journey. Things that we felt that were necessary to tote when we began became too heavy and burdensome. So, we left them on the shoulder of the road somewhere along the way. I'm ****ed close to the end of that road. So I'm only carrying what I feel that I cannot do without.

Still following me?

My principles, my standards, are all I still pack. Quite simple standards. You be nice to me and I'll be nice back to you. Say something tacky... most times, I'll ignore you, put on my hat and find someplace else to be, and I will politely excuse myself while headed toward the door.

But.
Should I think (feel) that I've been genuinely insulted, as I did with your reply, I will hit you back and I will do it with a vengeance.

I don't want to do that, I find it to be uncivilized. I extend my hand to you and to everyone else here. Not necessarily in friendship, but as in a form of agreement to strive to be civilized, respectful and and understanding that all of us are different and unique.

Flywise, that is the best offer that you are ever going to get from me. What you choose to do with it is up to you. That's my point.


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It appears the supreme court will have to now....which they will.
Supreme can reverse their ruling, but can't remove them from the bench.. right?
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Yes
They can only be removed from the bench by an impeachment vote in the house and a conviction in the senate.
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Maybe it's his rhetoric, the judge more or less said so.

Let your mouth run like diarrhea, pay the consequences.
Regardless, that is no lawful basis to halt the order
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That means nothing to some of these folks, matter of fact,
Since trump does not have a D next to his name they would throw a fit if he paid
Off the national debt, cured cancer and opened the borders to everyone on the planet.
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Politicians stopped caring about the average Joe a long time ago. Neither party is there to better us. The scary part is the opposition to good ideas just because it came from the opposing party. Affordable health care IMHO is something that our country needs desperately. financially both Medicare and medicaid together will bankrupt the country at the current pace of expenditures. The parties will not work together to all least try to get some of the outrages cost down!! How is it possible for one person to get an MRI and be charged $500 while an insured person gets charged several thousands for the same exact procedure?? Lobbyist are buy our congressmen and senators. They have way more power than our vote.

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Politicians stopped caring about the average Joe a long time ago. Neither party is there to better us. The scary part is the opposition to good ideas just because it came from the opposing party. Affordable health care IMHO is something that our country needs desperately. financially both Medicare and medicaid together will bankrupt the country at the current pace of expenditures. The parties will not work together to all least try to get some of the outrages cost down!! How is it possible for one person to get an MRI and be charged $500 while an insured person gets charged several thousands for the same exact procedure?? Lobbyist are buy our congressmen and senators. They have way more power than our vote.

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Cash is king that is why 1 person pays 500. When they charge an insurance company they try a to recoop the millions they dont get from the illegals and welfare recipients. Hospitals and Dr's take it in the shorts on many levels. Just a short explanation in what really is a giant conversational topic.
But any type of gov. Involvement only makes it much worse
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That means nothing to some of these folks, matter of fact,
Since trump does not have a D next to his name they would throw a fit if he paid
Off the national debt, cured cancer and opened the borders to everyone on the planet.
Touché sir! Touché
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Yes, there is. It is based upon the First Amendment of the Constitution of The United States of America. Which dictates freedom of religion - and freedom of irreligion.

Certainly, I've not read the executive order. That said; I expect somewhere in the order there is some verbiage that the reviewing (dissenting) judges picked up on. And they find the campaign rhetoric that Trump spewed out loud and often is impossible to leave out of the game. And there's no denying that the order was prepared by pure amateurs. Namely, Bannon and that other little chicken **** (his name eludes me) that would more be appropriately dressed and entirely suited (no pun intended) Nazi SS outfit.

That is, objectively, the way I see it. Hey, guys... I'm all for a carefully controlled, vetted and limited immigration policy. But a spade is a spade is a spade. The order fails the True Test / aka / First Amendment. Hell, I barely managed to graduate from college with a major not even remotely close to a law degree can see the obvious.


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Yes, there is. It is based upon the First Amendment of the Constitution of The United States of America. Which dictates freedom of religion - and freedom of irreligion.

Certainly, I've not read the executive order. That said; I expect somewhere in the order there is some verbiage that the reviewing (dissenting) judges picked up on. And they find the campaign rhetoric that Trump spewed out loud and oftenis impossible to leave out of the game. And there's no denying that the order was prepared by pure amateurs. Namely, Bannon and that other little chicken **** (his name eludes me) that would more be appropriately dressed and entirely suited (no pun intended) Nazi SS outfit.

That is, objectively, the way I see it. Hey, guys... I'm all for a carefully controlled, vetted and limited immigration policy. But a spade is a spade is a spade. The order fails the True Test / aka / First Amendment. Hell, I barely managed to graduate from college with a major not even remotely close to a law degree can see the obvious.


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1st amendment does not apply to foreigners, and its already been established that even if Trump said he wants to ban all muslims from entering the country while campaigning that cannot be used in judgement of the constitutionality of a presidential order
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