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Old 03-15-2017, 08:48 AM   #1
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Saw this on Guns Over Texas. From chaos to over in about 5 seconds. Whenever I see videos like this one I always wonder if the bad guy thinks through the fact that he could be dead in less than 60 seconds.

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Old 03-15-2017, 08:53 AM   #2
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It looks like the guard even had to rack the slide at one point due to some kind of malfunction. He drew quickly and seemed to be confident with no hesitation.
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Old 03-15-2017, 08:54 AM   #3
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I love a happy ending!!
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Old 03-15-2017, 08:55 AM   #4
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Fast. Good reaction by the guard
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Old 03-15-2017, 08:56 AM   #5
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Awesome response by the guard!! Thanks for sharing.
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Old 03-15-2017, 08:57 AM   #6
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real fast
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Old 03-15-2017, 09:02 AM   #7
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Score one for the good guys.
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Old 03-15-2017, 09:04 AM   #8
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I love a happy ending!!
Yep.
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Old 03-15-2017, 09:04 AM   #9
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The clerks behind the counter saw the gun before the security guard did! They had a better line of sight on the door
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Old 03-15-2017, 09:09 AM   #10
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We need to be seeing more of these stories rather than glorifying the dumb*****es that go shooting up places. We know the names of every shooter over the last few years. To me, that seems like a problem.
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Old 03-15-2017, 09:25 AM   #11
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wow
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Old 03-15-2017, 09:30 AM   #12
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Nice, +1 for the good guys!
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Old 03-15-2017, 09:38 AM   #13
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Looked sort of like the guard was maybe hit and stumbled back before recovering. Did he have body armor? Good recovery and good shooting. Looked like he got one more hit before the POS went thru the door and took a dirt nap.
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Old 03-15-2017, 09:41 AM   #14
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Rachael Madcow and MSNBC would say the guard killed him in cold blood and shot him in the back. He was just a poor little guy that had no other way to get his money and the guard killed him for no reason other than he was black.
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Old 03-15-2017, 09:43 AM   #15
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I hope they gave that man a pay raise.
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Old 03-15-2017, 09:50 AM   #16
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****, where was this?
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Old 03-15-2017, 09:51 AM   #17
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It looks like the guard even had to rack the slide at one point due to some kind of malfunction. He drew quickly and seemed to be confident with no hesitation.
Can't be a possibility. Glocks never jam. Ever.

Guard did good!
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Old 03-15-2017, 09:55 AM   #18
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I saw this on FB this AM. Happened in Rockford, Ill. Prosecutor refused to prosecute the guard. DUH!
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Old 03-15-2017, 09:55 AM   #19
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Good stuff
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Old 03-15-2017, 09:58 AM   #20
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I think the guard put a handful of shots into the perp. Rolling didn't do jack for the robber other than have entrance wounds front, back, and side. Well done sir.
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Old 03-15-2017, 10:03 AM   #21
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Its amazing how he didn't 'follow the bank tellers' and squat down with them out of reaction. Looks like all of his training kicked in and even after the last 1st shot something in his mind reiterated telling him to keep shooting. Great job by the guard.
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Old 03-15-2017, 10:06 AM   #22
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Rachael Madcow and MSNBC would say the guard killed him in cold blood and shot him in the back. He was just a poor little guy that had no other way to get his money and the guard killed him for no reason other than he was black.
He was a white guy.
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Old 03-15-2017, 10:12 AM   #23
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Yep, that was very quick. Most of 'em are.
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Old 03-15-2017, 10:14 AM   #24
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Yes........
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Old 03-15-2017, 10:41 AM   #25
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This is a very good example of a Garner V Tennessee situation and the application of deadly force to a fleeing felon.


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Old 03-15-2017, 10:48 AM   #26
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Warrior mentality level = BOSS.

THAT WAS AWESOME!!
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Old 03-15-2017, 10:50 AM   #27
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Rachael Madcow and MSNBC would say the guard killed him in cold blood and shot him in the back. He was just a poor little guy that had no other way to get his money and the guard killed him for no reason other than he was black.
Just wait the family of the robber will sue the bank and the guard before its over.
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Old 03-15-2017, 10:51 AM   #28
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We need to be seeing more of these stories rather than glorifying the dumb*****es that go shooting up places. We know the names of every shooter over the last few years. To me, that seems like a problem.
Who has been glorified for shooting up places??
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Old 03-15-2017, 11:00 AM   #29
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seems like the last shot was the kill shot.

that was fast
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Old 03-15-2017, 11:03 AM   #30
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Who has been glorified for shooting up places??
everyone of the "mass shooters".

They get their name plastered all over ever news outlet for at least a month. It may not be the "glory" most of us would want but it's glory in their mind and anyone who supports their so called cause.

And the that is the reason it happens more often now.
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Old 03-15-2017, 11:33 AM   #31
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Don't remember where I've seen it but I remember multiple references to the "rule of 3" in armed self-defense stats.

" 3 shots, in 3 seconds at a distance of 3 steps"

Moral is that it happens quickly and usually at close range.
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Old 03-15-2017, 11:58 AM   #32
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YouTube channel called Active Self Protection has videos like this all the time. He goes through and talks about lessons to be learned.


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Old 03-15-2017, 12:02 PM   #33
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Don't remember where I've seen it but I remember multiple references to the "rule of 3" in armed self-defense stats.

" 3 shots, in 3 seconds at a distance of 3 steps"

Moral is that it happens quickly and usually at close range.
There's an old saying in Alaska that, in the event you kill a bear in self defense, he'd better have powder burns on his nose, or you're in trouble. The same probably applies to most self defense scenarios. If you have an avenue of escape, you are best off taking it if others are not in danger. That's not the case in a bank robbery though.
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Old 03-15-2017, 12:24 PM   #34
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How long is a gunfight? It can last the rest of your life. Forgot where I read that.
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Old 03-15-2017, 12:26 PM   #35
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There's an old saying in Alaska that, in the event you kill a bear in self defense, he'd better have powder burns on his nose, or you're in trouble. The same probably applies to most self defense scenarios. If you have an avenue of escape, you are best off taking it if others are not in danger. That's not the case in a bank robbery though.


I'd say as soon as deadly force comes into play by the perp that applies anywhere.


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Old 03-15-2017, 12:29 PM   #36
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There's an old saying in Alaska that, in the event you kill a bear in self defense, he'd better have powder burns on his nose, or you're in trouble. The same probably applies to most self defense scenarios. If you have an avenue of escape, you are best off taking it if others are not in danger. That's not the case in a bank robbery though.
Good way to get attacked from behind.
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Can someone post it that is not associated with FB?

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Old 03-15-2017, 01:44 PM   #38
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How long is a gunfight? It can last the rest of your life. Forgot where I read that.
Yep. I think its one of Clint Smiths sayings.
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Old 03-15-2017, 01:48 PM   #39
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He got what was coming to him! Got my blood pumping just watching it, guard did a dang good job.
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Old 03-15-2017, 03:02 PM   #40
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For training I tell my officers that all gunfights (almost) happen in a couple of seconds and you will not likely know when it will start. Some people watch videos and almost always say something like, "Wow, that went down fast".

Yes it did. We had better be ready at all times. If I knew that I was going to be in a shooting incident in about 10 seconds, it likely would never happen because I would not be standing there or would be in position to end it before it started. In fact if I had a 5 second warning it would likely be the same answer. Wouldn't it be great if we all got a 10 second warning?

People simply don't get that kind of warning whether a civilian or an on duty police officer. In this case the guard really didn't see him until the bad guy had entered and looks like he might already fired a shot into the ceiling. In fact the clerks saw it coming way before the guard did and they were ducking behind the counter before the guard looks like he even realized it. Of course they had the better vantage point of seeing out the glass doors and the guard was at a bad angle. Had the guard realized it a few seconds earlier he would have had his gun in hand and had cover.

That is just the way it is. The start of a deadly force incident almost always happens fast like within a couple of seconds. This one is evidence of that.
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Old 03-15-2017, 03:55 PM   #41
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That's a perfect example of why there should be one in the pipe when you carry. If he would have had to chamber a round things could have ended differently.
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Old 03-15-2017, 05:08 PM   #42
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That was fast
Prob seemed like a long time to those involved I'll bet
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Old 03-15-2017, 05:53 PM   #43
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Nice reaction time! Caught it quick!
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Old 03-15-2017, 06:44 PM   #44
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Old 03-15-2017, 06:49 PM   #45
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Old 03-15-2017, 06:58 PM   #46
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I was involved in 4 over my 30 years as a police officer 2 of my own and 2 as the cover officer and yes they happen quickly, I learned from the first one we are reactionary to the suspects action, suspect got off first shot. so be ready, be accurate and come to work with your head screwed on straight cause you never know when it will happen, 2 weeks after my first one I was involved in another one. then 2 years later another all in July{ first 3} the last one was with my now wife on the other end of the mic as our dispatcher she was a wreck afterwards but handled it like a champ on the air. I tell all my brother L.E.O.'S shoot straight shoot fast and react don't think, learn to be an instinctive shooter and not worry about X's on a paper target, when that first round goes off no matter who lets it off remember O.O.D.A. LOOP
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Old 03-15-2017, 07:09 PM   #47
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Old 03-15-2017, 07:20 PM   #48
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Just wait the family of the robber will sue the bank and the guard before its over.
Really? You think they will be able to find a lawyer to take their case? (sarcasm intended).

On another note--was the guard wise to follow up the perp? I think he should have gotten the tellers as far away as possible and let the LEOs take care of disarming him. Could have been a different outcome if the perp had been alive and shot the guard.
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Old 03-15-2017, 07:38 PM   #49
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Some are a lot quicker than that. https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=kodNfvkqY8s
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