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Old 03-10-2017, 10:21 AM   #1
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Default How to adjust flemish twist string loop?

I bought a 1950s Bear Kodiak Longbow from RMS archery. They sent a new flemish twist string with it and it wont stay on the bow string notch tips. I called Bear and they said the brace height should be 8-9"....so I tried both...using a stringer...and it the string pops off at both 8"&9" brace heights or less. The string will stay on the string tip notch shelf if I pinch the loop.

Should I simply seek out a string maker for a new bowstring or can I adjust the loops to make them smaller so they stay put in the bow tip string notchs?

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Old 03-10-2017, 10:56 AM   #2
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You can untwist and adjust one end at a time. If you untwist it pinch the string about 6" down and untwist it. When you do you'll notice each color will be twisted to its self. Take a sharpie and mark the center of the existing loop. Now untwist the two colors. You should have the two colors separated. Now gently twist them together and form your loop again. It's important you twist the colors back together using plenty of wax figure out which way the twists need to overlap each other and twist the same colors the opposite direction together. Starting at the where think you need the loop to close. As you put a twist in each color, twist the two colors together the opposite direction and they will conform to eachother. Continue till the main string is reached. Clear as mud? Yeah didn't think so. I don't explain things well. Sorry. I make strings but can't put the act into words. That's why I picked the bow I picked because it uses b50 Dacron Flemish strings and knew I'd never have to buy one.

Easy way but probably not the desired one. Serve them up to make the loop smaller.
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If your string is popping off its probably a twisted limb. Brace height won't cause the string to come off the bow and loop size within reason will not cause it to pop off either

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Pictures are worth a thousand words.

Show us some pictures of the string on the bow while braced.
Specifically showing the loop size in relation to the tips.
Usually shows best if taken on the belly side.

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OH, and P.S.

If you need to make the loops smaller, there's no need in untwisting them.
Just serve them together at a point that gives you the size you need.

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are you sure you have the right string? a long bow takes smaller loops than a recurve string. that is one of the reasons they ask those specifics when you order a string.
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Old 03-10-2017, 07:55 PM   #8
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Thanks all yall fellas. Pigthumper...wicked instructions... I am impressed with the detail. Ive got nothing to lose tinkering with it.

Ill lookit and post some photos in a couple days. Limbs seemed pretty straight when I eyeballed them. Also I dont believe that RMS would send me an unshootable bow especially after having visited with them.
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Old 03-11-2017, 05:36 AM   #9
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Those old Kodiaks have pretty tiny tips. If the bow is bracing correctly the fastest fix is what Rick said to do.

There are some great videos available on the web. Watch a couple of them and you will understand how the string is twisted while building it. Get that down and adjusting loop size is pretty easy. I twist in the top loop but braid in the bottom so it takes me awhile to unbraid and rebraid.
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Old 03-11-2017, 06:45 AM   #10
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Those old Kodiaks have pretty tiny tips. If the bow is bracing correctly the fastest fix is what Rick said to do.

There are some great videos available on the web. Watch a couple of them and you will understand how the string is twisted while building it. Get that down and adjusting loop size is pretty easy. I twist in the top loop but braid in the bottom so it takes me awhile to unbraid and rebraid.
Not to derail this thread. You've been given good information.

I don't think I've ever seen a braided loop in a flemish string. Interesting...
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Listen to Rick when it comes to strings. You will eat less crow. Arvin
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The big loop prior to adjustment.
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The string came with one loop really big and the other smaller but still too big. One could fit inside the other.
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I watched the youtube videos by the German Bearpaw gal and the English Mick and gave it a whirl....thpppptt!

This is the biggest loop after I twisted it smaller, nocked, strung at 9" brace height. A bit boogery but first times aint always perfect.
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Here is the original small loop strung at 9" brace height. Still too big. It makes me nervous handling the bow with the string nocked this way. Im afraid Im gonna get thwacked by a sprung limb.
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It looks like it's strung backwards in that last picture

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Can you post some more pics of the bow. I haven't ever seen a Kodiak longbow I'm familiar with the Ranger model made in the 50s. I've had a bunch of Kodiaks from the 50s but none older than about 54.

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I have a Cub that looks like that.
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Old 03-17-2017, 09:45 AM   #19
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Can you post some more pics of the bow. I haven't ever seen a Kodiak longbow I'm familiar with the Ranger model made in the 50s. I've had a bunch of Kodiaks from the 50s but none older than about 54.

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I flubbed up on the second reloop. I think I went too fast or something. The base of the loop wont stay wound and all the twists transfer to the string. Maybe I should bake some crow and learn how to serve.
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Can you post some more pics of the bow. I haven't ever seen a Kodiak longbow I'm familiar with the Ranger model made in the 50s. I've had a bunch of Kodiaks from the 50s but none older than about 54.
Here goes a Bear.
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That bow sure looks to be strung backwards!!!!

If it is, it's no wonder your string won't stay on!

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you twisted the string the wrong way when making loop
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you twisted the string the wrong way when making loop
Thanks. Im gonna piddle with the string and see if I can get it right.

Definitely not strung backwards. Maybe why this '54 Polar was last production year straight longbow before being manufactured as a semi recurve.
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bring that bow to GG on Thursday!

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In that pic, that string loop is on that limb tip backwards!

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If you were closer I would tell you to bring it over and I would make you a new string. I am hesitant to twist one up without having the bow here to get the loops the correct size though.

I have to agree with the other guys though, it sure looks like you are trying to string that bow with the glass side as the belly and not the back and why you are having issues. Can you post any more pictures of that bow? I tried to Google it but couldn't find a good picture.
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In that pic, that string loop is on that limb tip backwards!

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Incorrect. It had me wondering...am I supposed to bend the darn thing back against the curve of the bow?....Nope.

Pic of top limb belly.
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I agree with Bisch, it looks like you have it strung backwards. In this picture, it appears the tape measure is placed on the back side of the bow. The bow should be strung with the string on the side opposite of where the tape is. The tips bending away from the archer when the bow is unstrung is known as backset.
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My post posted late the yes you are was to stringing against the bend of the bow. I promise you have it backwards and if you draw it it will break without a doubt

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You are 100% backwards as to which side is the back and which side is the belly of that bow!

If you were to string that bow correctly, I'd bet my bottom dollar your original string would have worked just fine!

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Here ya go.

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Incorrect. It had me wondering...am I supposed to bend the darn thing back against the curve of the bow?....YEP!!!!
Fixed it for ya!!!!

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Brian, if you will examine the string grooves, they will tell you the truth.

On their back side they are higher, and wider than on the belly side.

That tracking of the grooves serves three purposes:

(1) - The width of the back side of the grooves, spreads the pressure point of the loops out across a larger area, thus aiding in the structural integrity of the tips.

(2) The lower outlet of the grooves on the belly side reduces the amount of bend in the loops, thus aiding in the structural integrity of the loop itself.

(3) The narrower outlet of the grooves on the belly side allows them to constrict/narrow for a better grip on the tip.

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#3 should have read:

(3) The narrower outlet of the grooves on the belly side allows the loops to constrict/narrow for a better grip on the tip.

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Incorrect. It had me wondering...am I supposed to bend the darn thing back against the curve of the bow?....Nope.

Pic of top limb belly.
Give it a try and see what happens when you get a string. Let us know how it works out. Good Luck!!!

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Well Ill be a monkeys uncle! I reckon Im having major a FNG moment.

Thanks for the pic and diagram Rick. Holding the bow, the grip seems backwards...prolly another FNG moment.

I really appreciate the persistence of this support group to illustrate my ignorance. Oh well, I reckon Ill be all the better for it.
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Don't worry. I've felt lost and confused since September.

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Man dont sweat it I can promise you that everyone in this thread has done something similar

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Man dont sweat it I can promise you that everyone in this thread has done something similar

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^ What David said. ^

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hey,

one way its right handed, the other its left handed.. not that bad of a deal.


I can tell you confidently that I have made many mistakes in my days of archery. You just messed up and posted them to a forum! HAHA!!
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hey,

one way its right handed, the other its left handed.. not that bad of a deal.


I can tell you confidently that I have made many mistakes in my days of archery. You just messed up and posted them to a forum! HAHA!!
Eso si que es.

Sometimes when a thread is derailed...the internet god is not necessarily punishing....more encouraging learning and safety.

I have now learned...and previously did not know...bow back...bow belly...backset...how to twist a flemish twist string...how to not twist a flemish twist string...how to read the string notches of a bow. And probably some other stuff...like...I think I should get Rick to design the next GRXH banner.
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Eso si que es.

Sometimes when a thread is derailed...the internet god is not necessarily punishing....more encouraging learning and safety.

I have now learned...and previously did not know...bow back...bow belly...backset...how to twist a flemish twist string...how to not twist a flemish twist string...how to read the string notches of a bow. And probably some other stuff...like...I think I should get Rick to design the next GRXH banner.
best teacher in the world is experience!! I knew something didn't look right about those string grooves!! I bet she shoots a little better now, huh? HAHA
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I dont know yet. We will see. Itll likely shoot alot better than I do.

Big knowledge nugget...DATA goes on the left.

I just talked to RMS and fessed up that I messed up and told them I needed to pay for new string theyre sending me. No worries they said. Theyre sending a B50 with smaller loops!
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