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Old 03-02-2017, 11:33 AM   #51
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I had read an interesting article written by a Austrian citizen on how Hitler was able to take over their country without firing a shot. He simple led people to believe they would be much better off under Socialism. He promised many things free education, free food, better housing for free etc. then once he took control he began the slow destruction of the country my controlling what they read, mandatory service to the government etc. So in that regard yes he was a great leader just a very evil one.
That sounds vaguely familiar, where have I heard that before?
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Old 03-02-2017, 11:35 AM   #52
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I can almost see what the "not to be named adult" could have been trying to say. Hitler was fantastic for Germany (rebuilding) for a short while but was always a racist and a terrible person. He was Time Magazine's "Man of the Year" in 1938. He didnt get "mixed in with racists", he was the racist. He was also crazy and got even worse in the end. He was commanding ghost regiments and divisions against the russians just before he died. He did all sorts of nasty and horrible things. A Harry Potter movie quote might explain (not sure which movie), when the headmaster is refering to the main bad guy (voldermet or something?) "He did great things, but they were terrible". The guy was never a good or decent human.
Actually, I think the quote comes from the Wand maker: " After all, He Who Must Not Be Named did great things terrible, yes, but great"

But I always find it interesting that a lot of villains are modeled after Hitler, including Voldemort from the books. A half breed, that wanted the world to only contain pure breeds, etc.

And for the sanity of us all... OP, stop using the "not to be named adult" thing. Makes it painful to read. You could have just left it with "adult."
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Old 03-02-2017, 12:12 PM   #53
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The history of humankind is the history of conflict. I once heard that in a lecture and it stuck with me.

While all of those are truly atrocious, no single leader will equal Temujin (Genghis Khan) by the numbers. It is estimated that he is responsible for 40 million deaths. His campaigning changed the population of the planet, not just a country. It is said that one in 500 modern Chinese is a direct descendant of his. That is bananas when you think about it.

Timur Lenk (who I know very little about) is said to be responsible for 17-20 million deaths

All of WWII is estimated at 66 million dead

Stalin is credited with 20 million

Hitler 24 million dead




Back to the OP - if you want to show your kid a series of leaders that expanded an empire with minimal bloodshed, look at Persia. Sure there was conflict, but most folks found it more profitable to join up. Dan Carlin did a fantastic podcast on this called Kings of Kings.


"It has been my experience that folks who have no vices, have very few virtues" - Abraham Lincoln

IMO, Hitler demanded and sought genocide, Khan didn't.

Khan was really no more or less "savage" than other great military leaders of his era through out the world; it was a barbaric world as a whole...Khan was just **** good at it...

Hitler committed his atrocities by managing to con civilized people into behaving like fanatical bloodthirsty barbarians.
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Old 03-02-2017, 12:13 PM   #54
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I fully agree with that assessment


"It has been my experience that folks who have no vices, have very few virtues" - Abraham Lincoln
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Old 03-02-2017, 12:15 PM   #55
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My FIL was a German Fallshirmjager during WWII and had an interesting take on it. He always said at first, Hitler helped Germany regain his footing and come back economically but later Hitler went insane. His words, not mine.
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Old 03-02-2017, 12:26 PM   #56
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He was a great leader.

He just awful values and beliefs. Look how many people he motivated to do unspeakable things.


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He drove the unemployment down to a record low for Germany. Although he did it by arresting and killing the "deplorables".


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Old 03-02-2017, 12:27 PM   #57
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Doesnt matter that he was a terrible human being. You cant argue the fact that he WAS a great leader.....he just led people to do horrible evil things.

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Old 03-02-2017, 12:29 PM   #58
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Is it really leadership if the people you lead, follow you only because they fear you will kill them if they dont?
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Old 03-02-2017, 12:30 PM   #59
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He was a great motivator...leader...not so much... he motivated enough sheep to bully and raise fear of the other people into servicing his desires.. it snowballed and before long there was enough fear instilled that an entire country did his bidding with little resistance.
His 'leadership' tactics aren't new...been used before him, and well after him... Saddam followed his playbook almost to the T...
Dictators don't lead.. they threaten.
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Old 03-02-2017, 04:46 PM   #60
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just be thankful you are a engaged father!!!! I would teach them what is correct and now they are armed to manage such a situation in the future!
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Old 03-02-2017, 04:50 PM   #61
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Actually, I think the quote comes from the Wand maker: " After all, He Who Must Not Be Named did great things terrible, yes, but great"

But I always find it interesting that a lot of villains are modeled after Hitler, including Voldemort from the books. A half breed, that wanted the world to only contain pure breeds, etc.

And for the sanity of us all... OP, stop using the "not to be named adult" thing. Makes it painful to read. You could have just left it with "adult."
What is sad is that HITLER had a grandparent or great grandparent that was Jewish.........ouch!!! guess he did not know his family tree.
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Old 03-02-2017, 06:11 PM   #62
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What is sad is that HITLER had a grandparent or great grandparent that was Jewish.........ouch!!! guess he did not know his family tree.
He knew his family lineage, he just despised it.

So, OP, how ya gonna handle this?
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Old 03-02-2017, 06:18 PM   #63
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He knew his family lineage, he just despised it.

So, OP, how ya gonna handle this?
Wow......really sad when someone has self hatred.

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Old 03-02-2017, 07:33 PM   #64
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What is sad is that HITLER had a grandparent or great grandparent that was Jewish.........ouch!!! guess he did not know his family tree.
He knew... and I am sure he resented it. It is always interesting that those who push ideals obsessively, don't actually resemble those ideals.

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Old 03-06-2017, 08:23 PM   #65
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I've already had two meetings this school year regarding such lunacy. As a parent, you have to be vigilant and stomp out this garbage when it arises. If you don't, your kid will get Socialism 101. People, stand up for your kids and say something.
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Old 03-06-2017, 09:36 PM   #66
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The history of humankind is the history of conflict. I once heard that in a lecture and it stuck with me.

While all of those are truly atrocious, no single leader will equal Temujin (Genghis Khan) by the numbers. It is estimated that he is responsible for 40 million deaths. His campaigning changed the population of the planet, not just a country. It is said that one in 500 modern Chinese is a direct descendant of his. That is bananas when you think about it.

Timur Lenk (who I know very little about) is said to be responsible for 17-20 million deaths

All of WWII is estimated at 66 million dead

Stalin is credited with 20 million

Hitler 24 million dead




Back to the OP - if you want to show your kid a series of leaders that expanded an empire with minimal bloodshed, look at Persia. Sure there was conflict, but most folks found it more profitable to join up. Dan Carlin did a fantastic podcast on this called Kings of Kings.


"It has been my experience that folks who have no vices, have very few virtues" - Abraham Lincoln
I believe that Temujin was actually Genghis Khan's finest archer. At least Bear Archery had a target recurve named that and it was the story they told at the time.
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Old 03-07-2017, 06:49 AM   #67
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Temujin was his birth name, Genghis Khan was his title.

https://www.google.com/amp/www.biogr...s-khan-9308634


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Old 03-08-2017, 05:32 PM   #68
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Interesting stuff
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Old 03-08-2017, 06:08 PM   #69
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I had read an interesting article written by a Austrian citizen on how Hitler was able to take over their country without firing a shot. He simple led people to believe they would be much better off under Socialism. He promised many things free education, free food, better housing for free etc. then once he took control he began the slow destruction of the country my controlling what they read, mandatory service to the government etc. So in that regard yes he was a great leader just a very evil one.
Just to be clear, Hitler HATED socialism & Stalin / Russia...attacking them & declaring war on the U.S. at essentially the same time was one of the biggest military blunders of all times. Not debating the angle of Austria, just pointing out his politics.

Heck, both sides (US & Russia) decided fairly early on in the war not to even consider assassination as his micro-managing of the battlefield was an advantage for the allies...you have to wonder what europe would look like today if the guy simply knew when to stop. Like stated, he went full blown nuts towards the end.
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Old 03-09-2017, 03:48 AM   #70
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Hitler was a great deceiver, he drove people to their grave with his deception. Fooled his countrymen into believing they could rule the world. Destroyed millions of lives. Pulled other countries into his conflict. Millions more perished, for what? His selfish dreams. Everything he attempted, he failed at it. A leader? I think not.
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Old 03-09-2017, 05:50 AM   #71
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Just to be clear, Hitler HATED socialism
Hitler hated communism as he details in mein Kampf, but he was a proponent of socialism. Albeit "nationalist" socialism rather than international socialism that was prevalent at the time (and persists today).
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Old 03-09-2017, 05:54 AM   #72
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Is it really leadership if the people you lead, follow you only because they fear you will kill them if they dont?


No, I agree with you.


It's the same reason that Trump calling Putin a great leader is nuts. Putin poisons and makes his political foes disappear. Leadership through fear and intimidation is not leadership at all!!!!!!
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