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Old 08-05-2016, 06:07 PM   #51
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no...serious question. i dont get it.

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Because they are annoying and protest for no good reason. Half the time during the protest they act like hooligans. It's a horrible racist organization and should be looked down upon like the KKK. Not to mention they like to intimidate people when they get into large groups of people.


Next time there is a cop shooting and BLM shows up to protest make sure you get on periscope and check it some live feeds.

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Old 08-05-2016, 07:02 PM   #52
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The basis for the Black Lives Matter is not what most people think. Before it was partially hijacked by a militant minority, it's focus was on calling attention to the alarming number of unarmed blacks shot and killed and pretty much rubber stamped as justified or self defense depending on who the shooter was.

Hence, the catch phrase Black Lives Matter. I didn't really get that until I saw an interview with the attorney for the Trayvon Martin family after the Zimmerman trial. They asked him if he was disappointed that they lost the verdict. He said they didn't lose, they won. He said their goal was justice in the shooting death of Martin and they got that from the trial even though they didn't agree with the verdict.
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Old 08-05-2016, 09:10 PM   #53
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The basis for the Black Lives Matter is not what most people think. Before it was partially hijacked by a militant minority, it's focus was on calling attention to the alarming number of unarmed blacks shot and killed and pretty much rubber stamped as justified or self defense depending on who the shooter was.

Hence, the catch phrase Black Lives Matter. I didn't really get that until I saw an interview with the attorney for the Trayvon Martin family after the Zimmerman trial. They asked him if he was disappointed that they lost the verdict. He said they didn't lose, they won. He said their goal was justice in the shooting death of Martin and they got that from the trial even though they didn't agree with the verdict.
i guess this is how ive viewed the movement. thats why i didnt understand all the hate.

i get it. if you, as a race, are repeatedly victimized, you begin to act on the passionate feelings that arise.

and, i also think part of the reason for hate from differing views, is a deep rooted belief that all law enforcement force against blacks is justified.



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Old 08-06-2016, 03:54 AM   #54
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The basis for the Black Lives Matter is not what most people think. Before it was partially hijacked by a militant minority, it's focus was on calling attention to the alarming number of unarmed blacks shot and killed and pretty much rubber stamped as justified or self defense depending on who the shooter was.

Hence, the catch phrase Black Lives Matter. I didn't really get that until I saw an interview with the attorney for the Trayvon Martin family after the Zimmerman trial. They asked him if he was disappointed that they lost the verdict. He said they didn't lose, they won. He said their goal was justice in the shooting death of Martin and they got that from the trial even though they didn't agree with the verdict.


The whole organisation is based off of the ideas that black people are killed routinely by cops or white people for doing nothing, and that the majority of the populous doesn't care when a black person dies. Both of those ideas are false. Actually, since data exists and is readily available that contradicts those ideas, it's a flat out lie.

As for the Treyvon case. The lead investigator said their wasn't any evidence to charge Zimmerman. The racists in the DOJ decided that didn't fit their agenda so we had a trial. No evidence has ever contradicted Zimmerman's story. The only argument the prosecution had was feelings.


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Old 08-06-2016, 07:25 AM   #55
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A typical BLM mindset.
Burglar gets killed and it's not OK?
https://youtu.be/2ZGSQXmJPaQ?t=109

The latest was on the news this am. Black teenage car thief tried to run down police and hit several police cars and got shot and killed for it. Now cops are the bad guys. I say "good shootin" and good riddance of a low life punk.
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A typical BLM mindset.
Burglar gets killed and it's not OK?
https://youtu.be/2ZGSQXmJPaQ?t=109

The latest was on the news this am. Black teenage car thief tried to run down police and hit several police cars and got shot and killed for it. Now cops are the bad guys. I say "good shootin" and good riddance of a low life punk.
obviously, not every case of a black person being shot is unjustified. but, there are, undoubtedly, unjustified shootings. those are the ones that the real blm movement are protesting.

i'll repeat what i said in a previous post. i think a big part of the reason for hate is a deep rooted belief that all cop shootings against blacks are justified. it seems that the first response is to say, "well...they probably deserved it" and that is not always the case. that is the mentality that the population needs to get away from.



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Old 08-06-2016, 09:50 AM   #57
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obviously, not every case of a black person being shot is unjustified. but, there are, undoubtedly, unjustified shootings. those are the ones that the real blm movement are protesting.

i'll repeat what i said in a previous post. i think a big part of the reason for hate is a deep rooted belief that all cop shootings against blacks are justified. it seems that the first response is to say, "well...they probably deserved it" and that is not always the case. that is the mentality that the population needs to get away from.



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Unjustified shootings aren't just against black people either. But they are the ones that get attention.

And in almost every case that has blown up in the media has been proven to be justified. The couple that have not been shown to be justified have been prosecuted as they should be.

But most of the lives of the officers that were found to be within the law, their lives have virtually been ruined because of all the attention.


"An honest government has no fear of an armed population".
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Old 08-06-2016, 10:40 AM   #58
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Unjustified shootings aren't just against black people either. But they are the ones that get attention.

They get the attention because they are the vast majority of unjustified shootings.

And in almost every case that has blown up in the media has been proven to be justified. The couple that have not been shown to be justified have been prosecuted as they should be.

This issue is within the entire criminal justice system. Just because a court "proves" something doesn't mean it was just. e.g. OJ Simpson(IMO). And, ultimately, the BLM is after justice.

But most of the lives of the officers that were found to be within the law, their lives have virtually been ruined because of all the attention.

This is a very unfortunate consequence, and I solely blame the media.

"An honest government has no fear of an armed population".
Also, how do you feel about #bluelivesmatter ?
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Old 08-06-2016, 10:51 AM   #59
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Unjustified shootings aren't just against black people either. But they are the ones that get attention.

They get the attention because they are the vast majority of unjustified shootings.
Do you have facts to back up this claim?
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obviously, not every case of a black person being shot is unjustified. but, there are, undoubtedly, unjustified shootings. those are the ones that the real blm movement are protesting.

i'll repeat what i said in a previous post. i think a big part of the reason for hate is a deep rooted belief that all cop shootings against blacks are justified. it seems that the first response is to say, "well...they probably deserved it" and that is not always the case. that is the mentality that the population needs to get away from.



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Like brown? You know..the guy it started around?
The one that robbed a store, then tried to take a cops gun away from him and attack him?
That guy?


Meanwhile... 600% more blacks are killed by blacks ..yet..no protest there.
Where's BLM protests in chicago?

BLM is racism under the disguise of a movement.
Period.
Any arguement otherwise isn't paying attention or even listening to the BLM'S own rhetoric.
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Also, please post the stats and reference to the "vast majority are unjustified" statement.
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Old 08-06-2016, 11:17 AM   #62
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Also, please post the stats and reference to the "vast majority are unjustified" statement.

I haven't flipped through national records. I guess I should've prefaced that statement with "IMO based on articles from, what I consider to be, reputable sources."

Such as :

http://www.washingtonpost.com/sf/inv...ew-prosecuted/
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Like brown? You know..the guy it started around?
The one that robbed a store, then tried to take a cops gun away from him and attack him?
That guy?

No, not like Brown.


Meanwhile... 600% more blacks are killed by blacks ..yet..no protest there.
Where's BLM protests in chicago?

BLM is protesting black on black violence as well.

BLM is racism under the disguise of a movement.
Period.

I'm sad that you see it that way because it's simply not the case.

Any arguement otherwise isn't paying attention or even listening to the BLM'S own rhetoric.

I guess we can disagree. We all have different life experiences that shape our beliefs.
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I haven't flipped through national records. I guess I should've prefaced that statement with "IMO based on articles from, what I consider to be, reputable sources."

Such as :

http://www.washingtonpost.com/sf/inv...ew-prosecuted/
The Washington Post, Really??
I looked at the link but did not read the entire thing. What I was looking for was numbers of whites shot by police vs number of blacks shot by police. I believe the FBI has those numbers. Why don't you look those up. Then, while you're at it, look at the numbers that are black on black. Those numbers are the ones that are off the chart, but with BLM and the media, you hear nothing but crickets!!!
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Ok nowadays pretty much every shooting has a very high probability of being captured on someone's cell phone. The only ones that make the news are the black dudes getting shot. Ok the media is biased but what about the right wing media, they do exist you know, Fox News, talk radio the blogs why don't they put em up.

They don't so the logical assumption is they don't exist hence the conclusion that all questionable shootings involve black guys ONLY. Hence the outrage and the BLM moment.
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Also, how do you feel about #bluelivesmatter ?


Disagree with your first reply. I suppose you could come up with a way to make every shooting unjustified somehow.

Somewhat agree with your 2nd point. The system isn't perfect but I still believe it's the best in the world.

Definitely agree with your last point.

As to the (insert your choice here) matter, I believe every life matters equally. No life matters more than any other.

What in your opinion has BLM accomplished? If they truly wanted to do something they should be assisting to prove what they supposedly believe in the system rather than semi violently ad sometimes violently protesting. That isn't helping their cause.


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The Washington Post, Really??
I looked at the link but did not read the entire thing. What I was looking for was numbers of whites shot by police vs number of blacks shot by police. I believe the FBI has those numbers. Why don't you look those up.

I've seen those numbers. They do show that a disproportionately large percentage of blacks are shot by police compared to whites. But, that doesn't paint the whole picture, because historically blacks are responsible for more crimes, and therefore more likely to be involved in a police shooting.

Then, while you're at it, look at the numbers that are black on black. Those numbers are the ones that are off the chart, but with BLM and the media, you hear nothing but crickets!!!

The BLM movement absolutely addresses black on black violence. I've seen those numbers too. They are very high, and it is definitely a problem.
I know you rolled your eyes at a Washington Post article, but the data I'm interested in finding is "unjustified police shootings". And, the article that I brought was one of the only few that had any sort of data that distinguished that. And, they did it by the shootings that the victims were shot in the back. I know that doesn't paint the whole picture either, but in general, shooting someone in the back is likely unjustified.

So look up the number of unjustified shootings against blacks, and while you're at it, look up how many of those officers were convicted.
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Disagree with your first reply. I suppose you could come up with a way to make every shooting unjustified somehow.

I wouldn't try to do that. Only the legitimately unjustified.

Somewhat agree with your 2nd point. The system isn't perfect but I still believe it's the best in the world.

Agreed

Definitely agree with your last point.

As to the (insert your choice here) matter, I believe every life matters equally. No life matters more than any other.

I agree that every life matters equally, but IMO saying all lives matter is like a fire department responding to every house on the block, when only one is on fire.

What in your opinion has BLM accomplished? If they truly wanted to do something they should be assisting to prove what they supposedly believe in the system rather than semi violently ad sometimes violently protesting. That isn't helping their cause.

I support the ends of BLM, not necessarily the means. And unfortunately the violent/uneducated/disrespectful few will always get the media coverage.


"An honest government has no fear of an armed population".

Guys, I'm going to bow out of this conversation because I don't have the time to keep coming back to this all day.

Enjoyed the respectful debate.
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no...serious question. i dont get it.

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