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Old 10-16-2018, 11:49 AM   #1
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Exclamation Llano River bridge over Lake LBJ is out!

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Old 10-16-2018, 11:50 AM   #2
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Wow !!!!!!!
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Old 10-16-2018, 11:51 AM   #3
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That is crazy
It needs to stop raining
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Old 10-16-2018, 11:51 AM   #4
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This is crazy. Worried about our place on LBJ and our boat at The marina by the dam
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Old 10-16-2018, 12:02 PM   #5
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I have a friend that has a lake house there, Its bad!
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Old 10-16-2018, 12:08 PM   #6
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Old 10-16-2018, 12:29 PM   #7
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Unreal!

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Old 10-16-2018, 12:47 PM   #8
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Old 10-16-2018, 12:54 PM   #9
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My neighbor has a house on LBJ it is flooded @8’ of water in it
This was taken @ 930 this morning his house is the middle one in the pic
They just remodeled it
And built a new boat house which is gone now


His house in on scenic Loop

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Old 10-16-2018, 12:56 PM   #10
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What part of LBJ?
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Old 10-16-2018, 01:09 PM   #11
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What part of LBJ?
Can't load a picture but it looks like the area friends of ours live and sent pics. It's from the lookout on FM 1431 leaving Kingsland heading towards Marble Falls. All the houses in that area look across LBJ and can see the Llano River entry. Currently about a foot deep in the first floor and major current. They are taking a direct flow of water coming out of the Llano. Friend said it is really rolling and the currents are bad. Their boat house cover has torn loose and is lodged against a small outbuilding in their backyard.
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Old 10-16-2018, 01:10 PM   #12
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Can't load a picture but it looks like the area friends of ours live and sent pics. It's from the lookout on FM 1431 leaving Kingsland heading towards Marble Falls. All the houses in that area look across LBJ and can see the Llano River entry. Currently about a foot deep in the first floor and major current. They are taking a direct flow of water coming out of the Llano. Friend said it is really rolling and the currents are bad. Their boat house cover has torn loose and is lodged against a small outbuilding in their backyard.
Meant to say about 4 feet of water in the first floor.
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Old 10-16-2018, 01:13 PM   #13
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Old 10-16-2018, 01:13 PM   #14
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Terrible. Just horrific. Something doesnít compute... lake Travis is about 8 ft below full right now and definitely some headroom above that. Lake Buchanan is slightly below full. Iím wondering how LCRA let LBJ get out of control?


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Old 10-16-2018, 01:18 PM   #15
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Terrible. Just horrific. Something doesnít compute... lake Travis is about 8 ft below full right now and definitely some headroom above that. Lake Buchanan is slightly below full. Iím wondering how LCRA let LBJ get out of control?


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How they "let" it? That's not really how it works.


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Old 10-16-2018, 01:19 PM   #16
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Terrible. Just horrific. Something doesnít compute... lake Travis is about 8 ft below full right now and definitely some headroom above that. Lake Buchanan is slightly below full. Iím wondering how LCRA let LBJ get out of control?


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Because the rain was between Buchanan and Travis. Water has to go through LBJ.
Even with all the floodgates open and maximum generation, the water is coming into LBJ faster than it can be let out
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Old 10-16-2018, 01:23 PM   #17
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Old 10-16-2018, 01:35 PM   #18
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Terrible. Just horrific. Something doesnít compute... lake Travis is about 8 ft below full right now and definitely some headroom above that. Lake Buchanan is slightly below full. Iím wondering how LCRA let LBJ get out of control?


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The Llano flows into LBJ not Buchanan.
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Old 10-16-2018, 01:45 PM   #19
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I'm a builder here in Kingsland and also live on the water, its crazy. This place has been here since the mid 60's and this is the worse I've ever seen it. I would've never thought I would see this.

That picture of Scenic Loop I have a new construction house that was just getting started a few houses down. Its not looking good.
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Old 10-16-2018, 01:49 PM   #20
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Last week, when the llano was expected to crest at 24 feet, the LCRA let a little water from LBJ in anticipation of the flood.
I donít know why that wasnít done again...unless no one saw it coming or they couldnít let out enough water in time to do any good.
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Old 10-16-2018, 01:51 PM   #21
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KVUE news here in Austin has had a reporter at Starcke Dam spillway, they have been showing some of the debris going over the spillway. Large boat dock went over several jet skis, kayaks, and just now a large storage shed. Unreal what this flooding is doing.
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Old 10-16-2018, 02:05 PM   #22
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KVUE news here in Austin has had a reporter at Starcke Dam spillway, they have been showing some of the debris going over the spillway. Large boat dock went over several jet skis, kayaks, and just now a large storage shed. Unreal what this flooding is doing.
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Old 10-16-2018, 02:07 PM   #23
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Record at Llano is 41.5', it is as 39.91' now.
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Old 10-16-2018, 02:26 PM   #24
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Please keep in mind that LBJ is pass through lake, which is why people LOVE to own a home on the lake, you very rarely have to deal with low lake levels but this comes at a cost, there is not a lot of freeboard for the lakes to take on additional water. For the past year, the lake has been at 96% full because of this.

Also keep in mind that the engineers can not just open the gates to let more water out, you have to think of what will happen downstream, beyond that gate.
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Old 10-16-2018, 02:54 PM   #25
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Old 10-16-2018, 03:07 PM   #26
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Also keep in mind that the engineers can not just open the gates to let more water out, you have to think of what will happen downstream, beyond that gate.
this mindset and the decisions today will be fully analyzed over the coming weeks, and a few folks will likely be leaving due to the fallout.

Downstream is downstream, and you can't sacrifice the lake or the dam because someone built in the river basins south of the dam.

It's always been that way.
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Old 10-16-2018, 03:11 PM   #27
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this mindset and the decisions today will be fully analyzed over the coming weeks, and a few folks will likely be leaving due to the fallout.

Downstream is downstream, and you can't sacrifice the lake or the dam because someone built in the river basins south of the dam.

It's always been that way.
Exactly what happened here with Conroe and the SJRA after Harvey
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Old 10-16-2018, 03:13 PM   #28
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Well I will say that last night 10:00 weather said there would be some rain and some flooding on the Llano River, however it will be nothing like last week. You can't trust the weather folks.
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this mindset and the decisions today will be fully analyzed over the coming weeks, and a few folks will likely be leaving due to the fallout.

Downstream is downstream, and you can't sacrifice the lake or the dam because someone built in the river basins south of the dam.

It's always been that way.
Watching all of this from WAAAAAAAAAYYYYY down stream. After seeing Harvey's flooding I can honestly say I can almost relate. Water wasn't moving near as fast down here as it can up there.
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Exactly what happened here with Conroe and the SJRA after Harvey
I agree, you should not sacrifice the dam for those downstream but there are so many factors that one must take into account when releasing water and at what time. The Colorado and Llano Rivers have some dramatic bends, and if you release water quickly into those areas, the flow is retarded and can potentially cause additional damage and flooding in areas upstream. I do not envy those who have to make that decision as to when to release water and how much.

The kicker is this, nature is a cruel woman who you can not predict and when you live on or near a waterbody, you have to expect that one day she will come knocking on your door to remind you that she is the boss, no mater how much engineering or planning that is done. I just hope that everyone was able to vacate their homes quickly and all are safe. Homes can be replaced.
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Old 10-16-2018, 03:33 PM   #31
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Well I will say that last night 10:00 weather said there would be some rain and some flooding on the Llano River, however it will be nothing like last week. You can't trust the weather folks.
When I went to bed last night, I was getting alerts that the river would crest at 35 feet, which is much higher than last week's crest of 24 feet but not high enough to flood our house. It would be up in the backyard though. I thought that would be something neat to go see.
When I woke up at 5 am I just had an awful feeling. Turned on my phone and saw evacuations were taking place at the RV park up the street from our house and I knew it was going to be bad.
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this mindset and the decisions today will be fully analyzed over the coming weeks, and a few folks will likely be leaving due to the fallout.

Downstream is downstream, and you can't sacrifice the lake or the dam because someone built in the river basins south of the dam.

It's always been that way.
They also probably canít afford to lose much water out of those lakes due to the heavy usage. They wouldnít want to draw them down just to have the forecast be wrong, but like you said the decisions made will be analyzed. As these events become more and more common, itís more important than ever to learn from them.

Also...You hit the nail on the head about building in flood plains. I just donít understand it!
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Old 10-16-2018, 03:50 PM   #33
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There is another video on there that shows the bridge in Llano. Water is about two feet under that bridge. That is nuts!!!!
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Also...You hit the nail on the head about building in flood plains. I just don’t understand it!
Harvey taught us that you can build your house completely out of a flood plain and it can still flood.

People that build on constant level lakes have a similar expectation that their docks will not be washed away and their homes will not flood because the lake level will be maintained at a near- constant level. People living on Lake Travis know their lake level will fluctuate dramatically...which is why they build higher and have floating docks.

I've never seen LBJ and Marble Falls flood like this. It's not something that is supposed to happen. We either had more water come down than anyone expected or LCRA dropped the ball.

Our river house is in the 100 year flood plain but we carry flood insurance.

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Old 10-16-2018, 03:58 PM   #35
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Picture from the Wirtz dam. My boat is under that long blue roof

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Harvey taught us that you can build your house completely out of a flood plain and it can still flood.

People that build on constant level lakes have a similar expectation that their docks will not be washed away and their homes will not flood because the lake level will be maintained at a near- constant level. People living on Lake Travis know their lake level will fluctuate dramatically...which is why they build higher and have floating docks.

I've never seen LBJ and Marble Falls flood like this. It's not something that is supposed to happen. We either had more water come down than anyone expected or LCRA dropped the ball.

Our river house is in the 100 year flood plain but we carry flood insurance.
The term "constant level lakes" is not really a good one. They are pass through lakes meaning they don't control flooding. As for the bolded part; I think they got more water than they expected and they probably should have been letting some water out. The problem just didn't compound, it was exponentially worse.
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Picture from the Wirtz dam. My boat is under that long blue roof

that is an amazing, and eerie, sight

We are certainly wishing the best for everyone affected by this flooding.

Thank you for all the calls, texts, and messages and offers for help today.
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Old 10-16-2018, 04:08 PM   #38
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I know our house is going to have water in it. Just need the water level to come down so I can get up there to see just how bad it is
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Not owning a home near any water can you buy flood insurance ? I know in the past where I lived we could not , as it was too much of a risk for the insurance company
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Old 10-16-2018, 04:15 PM   #40
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Not owning a home near any water can you buy flood insurance ? I know in the past where I lived we could not , as it was too much of a risk for the insurance company


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Old 10-16-2018, 04:18 PM   #41
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Not owning a home near any water can you buy flood insurance ? I know in the past where I lived we could not , as it was too much of a risk for the insurance company
yes -- it will be a NFIP policy just like any other.

it's really cheap (like $400 a year) if you are in flood zone x.

They are limited to $250k for the dwelling and 100k for contents.

No coverage for more than one detached garage (limited to 10% of the dwelling coverage)

No coverage for pools, decks, fences, sidewalks, driveways, etc.

There are excess policies available through companies like Pure for excess limit amounts.




Flood insurance is really expensive until you have a claim. Then it seems really cheap.

We pay a little under 2K a year for 250k of coverage, and we are in the flood zone (with a 10K deductible), but we are probably looking at a $150,000 claim right now if the house flooded.

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Old 10-16-2018, 04:19 PM   #42
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That looks like something out of a movie...

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Picture from the Wirtz dam. My boat is under that long blue roof

That's a scary looking picture. Our friends in Segovia had the Johnson Fork come up and get one of their trucks. No electricity. Craziness for sure.
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Old 10-16-2018, 04:21 PM   #44
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Man I don't wish this on anyone. We lost the main house and my son and I shoveled sand and rock out of others on our place on the Sabinal for three weekends in a row.

Prayers for all of those affected by the waters.
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And get one of those big magnets to drag around. I don't know how many pounds of nails we picked up that washed down river with the debris.
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I have seen Marble like this once before. Never LBJ and the Llano.
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Old 10-16-2018, 04:25 PM   #47
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Crazy amount of water.
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Prayers for all the families going through this
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Old 10-16-2018, 04:45 PM   #49
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That looks like something out of a movie...


Itís unreal. Finally got my sisters house put back together after Harvey, and now it looks like we will be doing the lake house as well. The boat was my dadís pride and joy, we lost him in 2015. I think Iím more worried about the boat than the house at this point because of that.
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The term "constant level lakes" is not really a good one. They are pass through lakes meaning they don't control flooding. As for the bolded part; I think they got more water than they expected and they probably should have been letting some water out. The problem just didn't compound, it was exponentially worse.
Yep, "constant level" is a bit of a misleading term.


I wonder where they left most of the water from last weeks flooding? I don't know a ton about LBJ, or what it's levels were, but Travis is a beast for holding water. I can't imagine they saw this weeks flood being as bad as it is after what happened last week. Either way, there is no reason not to send all they can down from Travis without flooding Austin...like yesterday.

They also have to take into account long and short term weather forecasts for areas above and below each dam....what a mess.


All the best to you folks in and around those watersheds. That picture of Wirtz dam reminds me of Possum Kingdom Dam in '07 I believe it was, with "constant level" Lake Granbury just 40 miles down the Brazos.
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