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Old 05-17-2018, 01:33 PM   #51
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place empty bag of doritos in back seat with detained and handcuffed suspect. when he starts licking the inside of the bag you arrest him.

Or ask him what his favority brand of snowboard is.
If he answers anything other than "what?" arrest him.
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Currently, there is no test to determine if you are impaired at the time, or if you smoked/ingested it days or even weeks ago.
Correct, effectively anyway in terms of scientific test. There is breathalyzer technology for it but being in its infancy its extremely cost prohibitive so you are left with a blood test. I saw recently on TV where a man was charged with vehicular manslaughter and he tested positive when they drew blood so DUI/DWI or whatever its called these days was added as aggravating circumstances by the DA. Not sure if the state paid for it or the guy had coin but they had a Dr. run the same blood sample and he had a test that showed both THC non active and Active THC so he was able to determine that the driver was not under the influence of THC at the time. Interesting stuff.

But we shouldn't pretend like alcohol breathalyzers have been around for very long in relation to DUI laws or the invention of the automobile. There is a roadside impairment test that can be done. Not sure why it should have to go farther than that unless the officer has probable cause that the THC was ingested recently.
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Old 05-17-2018, 02:17 PM   #54
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I HEART Abby!!!!!! What an awesome chick! "You only get to do something like this once........" Awesomeness.


So you have to smoke ungodly amounts of MJ to be a problem driver. Very interesting.
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Old 05-17-2018, 02:25 PM   #55
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Nothing like the drugs argument to shine the light on those self-proclaimed “constitutional conservatives”. Turns out those were just some fancy words they read on someone’s blog.
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Nothing like the drugs argument to shine the light on those self-proclaimed “constitutional conservatives”. Turns out those were just some fancy words they read on someone’s blog.
Nothing like the drugs argument....to shine the light on those self-proclaimed "constitutional conservatives".......who only believe in states rights when it is something they are in favor of.
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I HEART Abby!!!!!! What an awesome chick! "You only get to do something like this once........" Awesomeness.


So you have to smoke ungodly amounts of MJ to be a problem driver. Very interesting.
Yea...they had an extra link just to see the Abby outtakes lol, greatness! Personally I don't drive if I have smoked at all or if I have more than 3 beers in my system. During my time in the Nave (especially while stationed in Newport News) I should have gone to jail for drunk driving on a number of occasions. I have seen my errors and now don't do it at all. I don't smoke and drive because sometimes (depending on the quality and the amount of CBDs) I get paranoid and don't like it lol.
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Old 05-17-2018, 02:39 PM   #58
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Old 05-17-2018, 02:44 PM   #59
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I'll never smoke weed with Willie again.
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Old 05-17-2018, 03:09 PM   #60
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Yea...they had an extra link just to see the Abby outtakes lol, greatness! Personally I don't drive if I have smoked at all or if I have more than 3 beers in my system. During my time in the Nave (especially while stationed in Newport News) I should have gone to jail for drunk driving on a number of occasions. I have seen my errors and now don't do it at all. I don't smoke and drive because sometimes (depending on the quality and the amount of CBDs) I get paranoid and don't like it lol.
I think that's more for teens. Adults have a home, they are going to smoke and they are going to want to relax. Teens have to get out to go do these things. Got to go drive to a friends or the park.


On the mental health front they are having great breakthroughs in using psilocybin and MDMA (ecstasy) in therapy for Anxiety and Depression which is basically the makeup of PTSD. There has also been a recent breakthrough in Ketamine (Special K) being used for when someone is actively suicidal. Anyone with plagued by a massive depressive state should be allowed to have Ketamine on them at all times with a prescription.

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Old 05-17-2018, 03:25 PM   #61
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Nothing like the drugs argument....to shine the light on those self-proclaimed "constitutional conservatives".......who only believe in states rights when it is something they are in favor of.


Exactly. Hopefully one day we’ll get to a point where we can just let people be accountable for their own actions. I’m not holding my breath though.
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Exactly. Hopefully one day we’ll get to a point where we can just let people be accountable for their own actions. I’m not holding my breath though.
Yup, not enough money to be made in personal accountability
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Old 05-18-2018, 09:02 PM   #63
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I would like it legalized such that I could add a plant or two to my urban garden next to the jalapenos and enjoy it on the weekends. However, I've no confidence that America as a whole could reasonably handle it, especially youth and the rural pillbilly and urban indigent populations.

That said, cannabis and homo sapiens have a long and fascinating history together. Scientists have deduced that cannabis first evolved as far back as 30+ million years ago in Asia and that it was discovered by early humans who migrated out of Africa. North America was it's final destination in it's trip around the world. It took about 12,000 years to get here from the earliest signs of its cultivation in Asia.

And get this - cannabis is genetically related to hops. Weed and beer are relatives!
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Old 05-18-2018, 10:17 PM   #64
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I would like it legalized such that I could add a plant or two to my urban garden next to the jalapenos and enjoy it on the weekends. However, I've no confidence that America as a whole could reasonably handle it, especially youth and the rural pillbilly and urban indigent populations.

That said, cannabis and homo sapiens have a long and fascinating history together. Scientists have deduced that cannabis first evolved as far back as 30+ million years ago in Asia and that it was discovered by early humans who migrated out of Africa. North America was it's final destination in it's trip around the world. It took about 12,000 years to get here from the earliest signs of its cultivation in Asia.

And get this - cannabis is genetically related to hops. Weed and beer are relatives!
LOL. Never heard that.
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I really feel for you if you need drugs and or alcohol to make it through your daily life.
Who said anything about needing.

Do you need to post on a site to make it thru the day?
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... It took about 12,000 years to get here from the earliest signs of its cultivation in Asia.

And get this - cannabis is genetically related to hops. Weed and beer are relatives!
See how lazy and lethargic it makes you
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Old 05-21-2018, 08:58 AM   #67
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I would like it legalized such that I could add a plant or two to my urban garden next to the jalapenos and enjoy it on the weekends. However, I've no confidence that America as a whole could reasonably handle it, especially youth and the rural pillbilly and urban indigent populations.

That said, cannabis and homo sapiens have a long and fascinating history together. Scientists have deduced that cannabis first evolved as far back as 30+ million years ago in Asia and that it was discovered by early humans who migrated out of Africa. North America was it's final destination in it's trip around the world. It took about 12,000 years to get here from the earliest signs of its cultivation in Asia.

And get this - cannabis is genetically related to hops. Weed and beer are relatives!
Who cares. Legislating morality is wrong; depriving people of freedoms is wrong.
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Old 05-21-2018, 09:11 AM   #68
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So are poppys, psilocybin mushrooms, and coca leaves just to name a few. Doesnt make it a good idea. I disagree with legalization.


In all of their natural forms, as the Creator made them, they should be legal. If used properly and not abused all can produce positive results. The same can be said about food, when consumed properly in moderation it is very beneficial and a necessity for life. When abused it causes all kinds of problems up to and including death.


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Old 05-21-2018, 01:55 PM   #69
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If you are curious here is a link that will take you to other links of medical, scientific, and psychological periodicals/studies.

http://norml.org/marijuana/fact-sheets
Marijuana “Fact Sheet” published by NORML (National Organization to Reform Marijuana Laws)!! Of course it is scientific and unbiased. Just like:

“Abortion: It is your RIGHT!” published by Planned Parenthood

Or perhaps:

“Having a child lover” published by NAMBLA (North American Man/Boy Love Association”

Your STELLAR example of why mj should be legalized SUCKS. I have at least a dozen family members and close friends that smoke it regularly. All of them have a broken “give-a-shi&&er”. I have never met a truly intelligent person that smokes it regularly. You have your examples and I have mine.
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Marijuana “Fact Sheet” published by NORML (National Organization to Reform Marijuana Laws)!! Of course it is scientific and unbiased. Just like:

“Abortion: It is your RIGHT!” published by Planned Parenthood

Or perhaps:

“Having a child lover” published by NAMBLA (North American Man/Boy Love Association”

Your STELLAR example of why mj should be legalized SUCKS. I have at least a dozen family members and close friends that smoke it regularly. All of them have a broken “give-a-shi&&er”. I have never met a truly intelligent person that smokes it regularly. You have your examples and I have mine.
If you were intelligent enough to open the link you would see that there are citations for all cases. Its all third party; not NORML publications. What was that about intelligence again? Think real hard this time; I know it hurts but give it a shot The irony lol.


Seriously, Ill wait for you to go take a look and come back and you can tell us all about how "intelligent" you are. LMAO.

Your example only proves to me intelligence is genetic, hence your family members. LOL

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I could go on but............

Mitigation of post-traumatic stress symptoms by cannabis resin: A review of the clinical and neurobiological evidence, Drug Testing and Analysis, 2012

PTSD symptom reports of patients evaluated for the New Mexico Medical Cannabis Program, Journal of Psychoactive Drugs, 2014

National Academy of Sciences, The Health Effects of Cannabis and Cannabinoids, January 2017

The American Legion, Survey shows veteran households support research of medical cannabis, 2017

Association of cannabis with cognitive functioning in adolescents and young adults: A systematic review and meta-analysis, JAMA Psychiatry, 2018

Associations between adolescent cannabis use and neuropsychological decline: A longitudinal co-twin control study, Addiction, 2018

Impact of adolescent marijuana use on intelligence: Results from two longitudinal twin studies, Proceedings of the National Academies of Sciences, 2016

Are IQ and educational outcomes in teenagers related to their cannabis use? A prospective cohort study, Journal of Psychopharmacology, 2016Are IQ and educational outcomes in teenagers related to their cannabis use? A prospective cohort study, Journal of Psychopharmacology, 2016
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If you were intelligent enough to open the link you would see that there are citations for all cases. Its all third party; not NORML publications. What was that about intelligence again? Think real hard this time; I know it hurts but give it a shot The irony lol.


Seriously, Ill wait for you to go take a look and come back and you can tell us all about how "intelligent" you are. LMAO.

Your example only proves to me intelligence is genetic, hence your family members. LOL
Sorry it took me so long to reply but working midnight to noon offshore in South America. Rereading the attachment now
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If you were intelligent enough to open the link you would see that there are citations for all cases. Its all third party; not NORML publications. What was that about intelligence again? Think real hard this time; I know it hurts but give it a shot The irony lol.


Seriously, Ill wait for you to go take a look and come back and you can tell us all about how "intelligent" you are. LMAO.

Your example only proves to me intelligence is genetic, hence your family members. LOL
All the sources support legalization of mj. THAT is why I said your example sucks. Pick a topic and any of us can find positive internet articles for that topic. Where are the unbiased articles in NORML publications? There are none listed because THEY would undermine NORMLs reason for existing.

Same with the two scumbag organizations that I listed in my sarcastic example. Planned Parenthood and NAMBLA exist to further their goals. Neither of which I support. I understand that you want weed to be legal. I feel differently due to my own observations over the past 63 years. When did I insult your intelligence? When did I disparage your family members? Do you feel more superior after insulting my family?

It’s OK because I know you are passionate about the issue. And you are behind a keyboard in North America and I am in South America for 3 more weeks. But let’s both keep this dialogue civil, OK? Carry on.
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Wow. Looks like my last post just about killed this topic. Didn’t mean for it to do that.
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Wow. Looks like my last post just about killed this topic. Didn’t mean for it to do that.


Fair enough. You swung I swung its over. I actually went back to delete it but was past whatever time frame is allowed for that. A truce it shall be


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Sounds good to me buddy. You and I actually agree on probably 90% of things based on what I recall from your previous postings. MAGA and good hunting!!!!
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Sounds good to me buddy. You and I actually agree on probably 90% of things based on what I recall from your previous postings. MAGA and good hunting!!!!
Same to you brother!
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Yuck, cant believe I just said that but I do, at least on tdhis topic. I hope Trump is onboard with this as well. The majority of Americans agree and this is a democracy.


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This is what makes me scratch my head regarding Republicans. They are small government, pro liberty, pro personal responsibility people... or supposed to be anyway.
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This is what makes me scratch my head regarding Republicans. They are small government, pro liberty, pro personal responsibility people... or supposed to be anyway.


You just described a classical liberal or libertarian. The republican party represents none of those ideals.


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Ok, now you've been smoking too much. Libertarian maybe, but saying liberals are small government, pro liberty, and pro personal responsibility, well, you are just way too high.

I'll agree with you Hi-lonesome(ironic screen name), that is what republicans usually emulate, but it's the "moral" aspect that hangs them up on this subject. Why? I have no idea. It's a natural plant that needs no processing, unlike alcohol, heroine, or cocaine.
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Ok, now you've been smoking too much. Libertarian maybe, but saying liberals are small government, pro liberty, and pro personal responsibility, well, you are just way too high.
Lol...J's been listening to too much Jordan Peterson.

He's not referring to the "liberals" that conservative echo chambers love to hate.

Several aspects of classical liberalism would actually play well in this forum. Most of the founding fathers fit the mold.
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Lol...J's been listening to too much Jordan Peterson.

He's not referring to the "liberals" that conservative echo chambers love to hate.

Several aspects of classical liberalism would actually play well in this forum. Most of the founding fathers fit the mold.
Classic liberalism is now called republican. The founding fathers are rolling over in their grave with the New Democratic Party.
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Ok, now you've been smoking too much. Libertarian maybe, but saying liberals are small government, pro liberty, and pro personal responsibility, well, you are just way too high.



I'll agree with you Hi-lonesome(ironic screen name), that is what republicans usually emulate, but it's the "moral" aspect that hangs them up on this subject. Why? I have no idea. It's a natural plant that needs no processing, unlike alcohol, heroine, or cocaine.


Classical liberals v egalitarian liberals. Modern dems are egalitarian while classical liberalism is what our constitution is founded on. More akin to libertarianism.


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