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Old 05-16-2018, 04:31 PM   #1
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Default I agree with Chuck Schumer

Yuck, cant believe I just said that but I do, at least on this topic. I hope Trump is onboard with this as well. The majority of Americans agree and this is a democracy.


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Old 05-16-2018, 04:39 PM   #2
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It's a plant put on Earth by our creator and it's criminal? Makes a lot of sense.

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So are poppys, psilocybin mushrooms, and coca leaves just to name a few. Doesnt make it a good idea. I disagree with legalization.
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So are poppys, psilocybin mushrooms, and coca leaves just to name a few. Doesnt make it a good idea. I disagree with legalization.


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So are poppys, psilocybin mushrooms, and coca leaves just to name a few. Doesnt make it a good idea. I disagree with legalization.
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So are poppys, psilocybin mushrooms, and coca leaves just to name a few. Doesnt make it a good idea. I disagree with legalization.


In all of their natural forms, as the Creator made them, they should be legal. If used properly and not abused all can produce positive results. The same can be said about food, when consumed properly in moderation it is very beneficial and a necessity for life. When abused it causes all kinds of problems up to and including death.


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Thankfully we are a REPUBLIC and not a Democracy.

Should be left to the States like MANY other issues that the Feds don't have any business in.
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The Supreme Court today decided that federal law violated the 10th Amendment, which was the foundersí failsafe as a way to guard against unforeseen circumstances. Effectively, the 10th Amendment means that the states have powers which are not expressly delegated to the federal government, and because the constitution doesnít say anything about gambling on sports, seven of our nine justices agreed that the Professional and Amateur Sports Protection Act doesnít line up with our constitutionally stated principles. This is where marijuana legalization comes into play.

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Saw this posted yesterday with the legalization of gambling. Should be up to the states, and a good number have legalized already.
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The Supreme Court today decided that federal law violated the 10th Amendment, which was the foundersí failsafe as a way to guard against unforeseen circumstances. Effectively, the 10th Amendment means that the states have powers which are not expressly delegated to the federal government, and because the constitution doesnít say anything about gambling on sports, seven of our nine justices agreed that the Professional and Amateur Sports Protection Act doesnít line up with our constitutionally stated principles. This is where marijuana legalization comes into play.

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Saw this posted yesterday with the legalization of gambling. Should be up to the states, and a good number have legalized already.

If left up to the states, they would have no choice but to legalize it. Any party that refused would be voted out of office.
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I think it should be legal.....but at each states discretion.
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Old 05-16-2018, 07:28 PM   #13
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Yuck, cant believe I just said that but I do, at least on this topic. I hope Trump is onboard with this as well. The majority of Americans agree and this is a democracy.


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Oh yeah lol. Different positions. And **** Schumer.


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I am not an advocate of using it, but I do think it is ridiculous that it is treated with such criminal severity.

You can not legally purchase a gun if you use MJ, even medical MJ. You can drink your azzz to oblivion and own all the guns you want. I don't really think one is worse than the other, or maybe alcohol is actually more dangerous...

If it were legal in all states, maybe it would stop the mass migration to Colorado and like states... That way, drug dealers of the harder stuff can just stay where they already are...
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Give it time, he'll change his position when it's not the popular topic any longer.
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Old 05-16-2018, 10:19 PM   #18
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How about they pass Constitutional carry nation wide and then I'll be ok with legal weed
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How about they pass Constitutional carry nation wide and then I'll be ok with legal weed
One of those shouldn't require any new laws, there's already one on the books for it.
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We do not live in a democracy, we live in a democratic republic, but I 100% agree this is a 10th amendment states right issue


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For yíall semantics lovers a democratic republic is a form of democracy. Lets stay on topic


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For those against it why? The vast majority of this country approves of legalization. Is it a moral thing?


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The vast majority of the people are already stupid, we don't need them stupider. I'm a firm believer pot makes you stupider.

I do agree it should be the States rights though.
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The vast majority of the people are already stupid, we don't need them stupider. I'm a firm believer pot makes you stupider.

I do agree it should be the States rights though.
There is zero evidence to back that.

Here are my reasons:

1. Freedom (**** you stay out of my business)
2. Massive reduction in Cartel activity (see prohibition of the 20th century America)
3. States that have legalized marijuana have had an almost 50 percent reduction in opioid prescriptions and deaths related to opioid overdose.
4. Freedom (see 1.)
5. Science has proven there to be a plethora of medical uses and health benefits
6. LE resources would be freed up to combat actual crime as in crimes of moral turpitude.
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chuck's only interest in this is for his piece of the pie...it's all about the $$$. Make no mistake, if he could capitalize keeping it illegal then that would be his position.
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chuck's only interest in this is for his piece of the pie...it's all about the $$$. Make no mistake, if he could capitalize keeping it illegal then that would be his position.
Completely agree. Almost all politicians are for whatever you want them to be and can change with the wind of public opinion at any time.

Im just glad this legislation is being introduced by Senior leadership within the Senate. It will be taken more seriously. Hell we might actually have a bill passed with real bi partisan support. Trump is already in support of this.
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There is zero evidence to back that.

Here are my reasons:

1. Freedom (**** you stay out of my business)
2. Massive reduction in Cartel activity (see prohibition of the 20th century America)
3. States that have legalized marijuana have had an almost 50 percent reduction in opioid prescriptions and deaths related to opioid overdose.
4. Freedom (see 1.)
5. Science has proven there to be a plethora of medical uses and health benefits
6. LE resources would be freed up to combat actual crime as in crimes of moral turpitude.
While 2 - 6 are legitimate, I'm good with #1 as the only argument needed. And, I also agree with your distaste for agreeing with Schumer, but when he's right, he's right. Doesn't happen often. It'll be ok. Oddly enough, he did this after Trump indicated his openness or desire to do it about a month or so ago.
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The vast majority of the people are already stupid, we don't need them stupider. I'm a firm believer pot makes you stupider.

I do agree it should be the States rights though.
So does alcohol, hunting, fishing, sex... among other things
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Amen! Alcohol and sex have led to many a bad decision for many a good man.
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Sounds like you just smoked a bowl.
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Sounds like you just smoked a bowl.
Go back 30 years ago and you would probably be correct.
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Because left to the states it will get legalized anyways and we don't open a more slippery slope with federal decriminalization/criminalization laws.
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I have mixed feelings on it. I donít believe itís any worse than alcohol which is legal. But if it were to be legalized we are going to have to get serious about DUI convictions. We already have a problem with this, especially in Texas. I believe many people donít drink and drive because thatís illegal but legalizing MJ would potentially open that up to more people to DUI.

Burn your house down smoking at your house, just donít be doing it out while driving. I feel the same way about drinking and driving.


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I have mixed feelings on it. I donít believe itís any worse than alcohol which is legal. But if it were to be legalized we are going to have to get serious about DUI convictions. We already have a problem with this, especially in Texas. I believe many people donít drink and drive because thatís illegal but legalizing MJ would potentially open that up to more people to DUI.

Burn your house down smoking at your house, just donít be doing it out while driving. I feel the same way about drinking and driving.


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Agreed. Driving under the influence of it is now and should remain illegal as should the sale of it to minors. I honestly don't care if my neighbor gets home from work and smokes a big old crack rock. Just don't get in a car and don't sell that **** to my kids.
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I think the country has bigger fish to fry.
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If you are curious here is a link that will take you to other links of medical, scientific, and psychological periodicals/studies.

http://norml.org/marijuana/fact-sheets
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Marijuana “Fact Sheet” published by NORML (National Organization to Reform Marijuana Laws)!! Of course it is scientific and unbiased. Just like:

“Abortion: It is your RIGHT!” published by Planned Parenthood

Or perhaps:

“Having a child lover” published by NAMBLA (North American Man/Boy Love Association”

Your STELLAR example of why mj should be legalized SUCKS. I have at least a dozen family members and close friends that smoke it regularly. All of them have a broken “give-a-shi&&er”. I have never met a truly intelligent person that smokes it regularly. You have your examples and I have mine.
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Marijuana “Fact Sheet” published by NORML (National Organization to Reform Marijuana Laws)!! Of course it is scientific and unbiased. Just like:

“Abortion: It is your RIGHT!” published by Planned Parenthood

Or perhaps:

“Having a child lover” published by NAMBLA (North American Man/Boy Love Association”

Your STELLAR example of why mj should be legalized SUCKS. I have at least a dozen family members and close friends that smoke it regularly. All of them have a broken “give-a-shi&&er”. I have never met a truly intelligent person that smokes it regularly. You have your examples and I have mine.
If you were intelligent enough to open the link you would see that there are citations for all cases. Its all third party; not NORML publications. What was that about intelligence again? Think real hard this time; I know it hurts but give it a shot The irony lol.


Seriously, Ill wait for you to go take a look and come back and you can tell us all about how "intelligent" you are. LMAO.

Your example only proves to me intelligence is genetic, hence your family members. LOL

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If you were intelligent enough to open the link you would see that there are citations for all cases. Its all third party; not NORML publications. What was that about intelligence again? Think real hard this time; I know it hurts but give it a shot The irony lol.


Seriously, Ill wait for you to go take a look and come back and you can tell us all about how "intelligent" you are. LMAO.

Your example only proves to me intelligence is genetic, hence your family members. LOL
Sorry it took me so long to reply but working midnight to noon offshore in South America. Rereading the attachment now
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If you were intelligent enough to open the link you would see that there are citations for all cases. Its all third party; not NORML publications. What was that about intelligence again? Think real hard this time; I know it hurts but give it a shot The irony lol.


Seriously, Ill wait for you to go take a look and come back and you can tell us all about how "intelligent" you are. LMAO.

Your example only proves to me intelligence is genetic, hence your family members. LOL
All the sources support legalization of mj. THAT is why I said your example sucks. Pick a topic and any of us can find positive internet articles for that topic. Where are the unbiased articles in NORML publications? There are none listed because THEY would undermine NORMLs reason for existing.

Same with the two scumbag organizations that I listed in my sarcastic example. Planned Parenthood and NAMBLA exist to further their goals. Neither of which I support. I understand that you want weed to be legal. I feel differently due to my own observations over the past 63 years. When did I insult your intelligence? When did I disparage your family members? Do you feel more superior after insulting my family?

Itís OK because I know you are passionate about the issue. And you are behind a keyboard in North America and I am in South America for 3 more weeks. But letís both keep this dialogue civil, OK? Carry on.
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Funny how he supports state rights when the agenda fits his, but for federal oversight/heavy hand when it does not
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I really feel for you if you need drugs and or alcohol to make it through your daily life.
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I really feel for you if you need drugs and or alcohol to make it through your daily life.
Thanks, your sympathy means a lot. Ill let the guys know at the next PTSD therapy session that you have feelings on the subject and we will take a vote on how many give a single ****.
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I really feel for you if you need drugs and or alcohol to make it through your daily life.
I feel for you if you dont start your day with, coffee.
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I really feel for you if you need drugs and or alcohol to make it through your daily life.
Dont know a ton of people that need it - but recreationally speaking, for some fun times, it isn't an issue for me.

I have never and will never.

I believe that's how it is supposed to work. Dont have to agree with everything, but you live and let live knowing you are doing what you believe is right for your Family.
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Dont know a ton of people that need it - but recreationally speaking, for some fun times, it isn't an issue for me.

I have never and will never.

I believe that's how it is supposed to work. Dont have to agree with everything, but you live and let live knowing you are doing what you believe is right for your Family.
Unfortunately, I do know a bunch that need it. My comment is in reference to them. I have no problem with the recreational user but I know to many people by the time they go to sleep every night can't talk in a coherent sentence. My dad's best friend and my name sake drinks a 30 pack every day or other day. My comment is in reference to them. The occasional drink or smoke to me isn't a big deal but I see a lot of people that go way above and beyond that on a daily basis. We all have our vices some people's are worse than others. My vice is food.

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I really feel for you if you need drugs and or alcohol to make it through your daily life.
Who said anything about needing.

Do you need to post on a site to make it thru the day?
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Hopefully Texas will keep it illegal. Let the stoners move away.
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Hopefully Texas will keep it illegal. Let the stoners move away.
Texas has already legalized medical, and its predicted to be one of the states to soon legalize it

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Old 05-17-2018, 02:06 PM   #50
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Texas has already legalized medical, and its predicted to be one of the states to soon legalize it



Can't wait! Not that it makes a bit of difference to me
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