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Old 03-16-2018, 08:04 PM   #251
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The willfully ignorant DO NOT get to redefine the scientific method.
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So is the ranch changing hands? Thats all I want to know!
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Old 03-16-2018, 08:28 PM   #253
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It turns out that it means exactly what I meant..
It also turns out that a "theory" and "hypothesis" ARE" the same unlike what you said here on post 71..

3) It's obvious some on here did not take the time to learn the difference between theory and hypothesis








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There is a difference in the loosely used definition of theory and the definition of theory used in the scientific method.
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Change is always scary. We'll see what we can do about securing you a social spot

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Old 03-16-2018, 09:07 PM   #256
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So is the ranch changing hands? Thats all I want to know!
Not in this life. Maybe we will have another Big Bang.. We can do it all over again..
I just don't want to come back as a 400"'Whitetail... Nope.
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It turns out that it means exactly what I meant..
It also turns out that a "theory" and "hypothesis" ARE" the same unlike what you said here on post 71..

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Scientific theory, and the everyday word "theory" are NOT the same.

Read:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Scientific_theory


I'll try to dumb it down: a scientific theory is the current best explanation that can be repeatedly tested and proven with the same results. If more information becomes available, or there are cases where the theory does not prove true, then it is updated.

A good example would be gravity: you probably think of gravity according to how Newton's Theory of Gravitation explains it, as a force between objects. This is fine, because it's a good and simple explanation for most cases, but in certain cases like near black holes, gravity does not behave according to Newton's Theory, so Einstein developed the general theory of relativity which explains gravity as a spacetime curvature. As it holds true for more cases then Newton's Theory, it has supplanted it.

This also leads to an explanation of why the study of black holes is important: they are a proving ground for scientific theories.

I should also point out that scientific theories are backed up by mathematics, as an example, einstein's field equations which explain gravity:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Einstein_field_equations

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Old 03-16-2018, 09:18 PM   #258
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Scientific theory, and the everyday word "theory" are NOT the same.

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https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Scientific_theory


I'll try to dumb it down: a scientific theory is the current best explanation that can be repeatedly tested and proven with the same results. If more information becomes available, or there are cases where the theory does not prove true, then it is updated.

A good example would be gravity: you probably think of gravity according to how Newton's Theory of Gravitation explains it, as a force between objects. This is fine, because it's a good and simple explanation for most cases, but in certain cases like near black holes, gravity does not behave according to Newton's Theory, so Einstein developed the general theory of relativity which explains gravity as a spacetime curvature. As it holds true for more cases then Newton's Theory, it has supplanted it.

This also leads to an explanation of why the study of black holes is important: they are a proving ground for scientific theories.

I should also point out that scientific theories are backed up by mathematics, as an example, einstein's field equations which explain gravity:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Einstein_field_equations
Have you ever seen a black hole?? I mean really seen one?
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Have you ever seen a black hole?? I mean really seen one?
Have you ever seen your own brain?
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Old 03-16-2018, 09:22 PM   #260
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Have you ever seen your own brain?
Actually yes.
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Old 03-16-2018, 09:24 PM   #261
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Sir Shovel, you win a cupie doll! Or a beer ever we should meet.
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Old 03-16-2018, 09:24 PM   #262
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Have you ever seen a black hole?? I mean really seen one?
The premise is flawed, black holes don't allow light to escape, thus they cannot be seen with a naked eye. They are detected by their interactions with the universe around them, like when they come close enough to stars to start sucking them in.

If you are trying to make the point that if you can't see it, then it doesn't exist, then you should reconsider the existence gravity, the air you breath, and God.
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Actually yes.
Physically seen it. Or seen it with some kind of imaging?
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Old 03-16-2018, 09:28 PM   #264
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So no one here has ever seen a black hole.. Got it. I just someone had since they have been mentioned numerous times..
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Physically seen it. Or seen it with some kind of imaging?
You mean like with the cameras and telescoping equipment used to "see" the interaction of stars around a "black hole" proving their existence?

Whole lotta trust in scientists on both accounts....
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Old 03-16-2018, 09:31 PM   #266
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Have you ever seen a black hole?? I mean really seen one?
Have you seen gravity? An electromagnet wave? A photon? A neutron? An electron? A quark?

Please stop.

Science is not a threat to Christianity.
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Old 03-16-2018, 09:34 PM   #267
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Have you seen gravity? An electromagnet wave? A photon? A neutron? An electron? A quark?

Please stop.

Science is not a threat to Christianity.
So you haven't seen one either.. Hmm.
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Old 03-16-2018, 09:36 PM   #268
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OK. Enlighten me.
Sure...

Hawking's passion and goal was to understand the universe.....the how, when and why it even exists. People like you may think this is pointless, but human civilizations have always looked to the sky in wonderment and have sought to explain and unravel it's mysteries.

You're certainly not the only person that doesn't seem to appreciate the complexity and significance of discoveries in mathematical physics, theoretical physics and cosmology. These are fascinating subjects that tackle some of the most difficult questions and awe inspiring observations known to mankind. And yes, most people don't have the time or the curiosity to care, especially if they've been dogmatically programmed what to believe about the makeup and origins of the universe. Thankfully there were great minds like Galileo, Newton, Einstein and Hawking that did care.

Speaking of Einstein, he and Hawking held similar opinions about God. Mainly that "God" might have created the laws of nature which govern the universe, but that "God" doesn't manipulate these laws. Hawking believed the universe demonstrates it didn't need God to create it. The mere possibility is mind-boggling.

Hawking said "I believe the simplest explanation is, there is no God. No one created the universe and no one directs our fate. This leads me to a profound realization that there probably is no heaven and no afterlife either. We have this one life to appreciate the grand design of the universe and for that, I am extremely grateful."

Hawking's explanation should seem possible to anyone who's seen no good evidence of heaven, an afterlife, divine creation of the universe, or divine control of our fate. As scientific minds like Hawking continue to discover and refine explanations regarding the creation of the universe and the origins of life, traditional beliefs will be further questioned and reexamined. I say thank goodness for that!

As mentioned by others, equating theory to hypotheses is appropriate in a non-scientific context. In science they are vastly different. You posted the non-scientific definition from a dictionary, but a dictionary can also show you the way...

This is the Difference Between a Hypothesis and a Theory - In scientific reasoning, they're two completely different things

https://www.merriam-webster.com/word...d-theory-usage
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You mean like with the cameras and telescoping equipment used to "see" the interaction of stars around a "black hole" proving their existence?

Whole lotta trust in scientists on both accounts....
Kinda like trusting he has a brain, which was where I was going with it.

Thanks for the assist.
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Kinda like trusting he has a brain.
I havnt had enough beer to do that kinda math
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So you haven't seen one either.. Hmm.
This is par for the course.
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I havnt had enough beer to do that kinda math
I don't doubt that he has a brain. I believe in the science that allows us to detect super massive black holes, and his brain.

But if he doubts black holes because he can't physically see one, regardless of the science, then he has no option but to have some lingering doubt of the presence of his brain if he is going to be consistent.
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This is par for the course.
Exactly..
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So you haven't seen one either.. Hmm.
Nope, or God, or miracles, or any of the other crap you are required to BLINDLY believe when talking religion.
No one has ever seen an Electron either, do you believe in those?
Some of y'all should watch The Inexplicable Universe. It will poke about a 1000 holes in your theories about religion, etc...in the very first episode. It also explains black holes, Hawking Radiation, etc..better than anything I've ever watched or read. It will also give you a concept of what our Universe is, and how people like Einstein/Hawkin/Math have shaped the world you live in.

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Nope, or God, or miracles, or any of the other crap you are required to BLINDLY believe when talking religion.
No one has ever seen an Electron either, do you believe in those?
Have you ever seen a baby born? I have twice.. That's a miracle.
That's all I have to see to know there is a GOD..
If you haven't you should try it..


As far as seeing electron, protons, neutrons, light waves, Gravity, WIND(LOL), my brain(LOL again)and all the other silly things you fellas have thrown at me, obviously they do exist but in the end I really could careless..

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Have you ever seen a baby born? I have twice..
That's all I have to see to know there is a GOD..
If you haven't you should try it..
You've seen a baby born three times amigo.

Almost everyone has seen a baby born.
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You've seen a baby born three times amigo.

Almost everyone has seen a baby born.
Yea but I don't remember that first time
Things were a little fuzzy...
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but in the end I really could careless..
When it comes to facts, this statement is more than redundant.
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You've seen a baby born three times amigo.

Almost everyone has seen a baby born.
Yea but I don't remember that first time..
Things were a little fuzzy...
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When it comes to facts, this statement is more than redundant.
Oh you got facts now? We've been waiting on facts..
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Yea but I don't remember that first time..
Things were a little fuzzy...
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I've seen a few babies born. i wouldn't call it a miracle...... disturbing, but not a miracle.

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Nope, or God, or miracles, or any of the other crap you are required to BLINDLY believe when talking religion.
No one has ever seen an Electron either, do you believe in those?
Some of y'all should watch The Inexplicable Universe. It will poke about a 1000 holes in your theories about religion, etc...in the very first episode. It also explains black holes, Hawking Radiation, etc..better than anything I've ever watched or read. It will also give you a concept of what our Universe is, and how people like Einstein/Hawkin/Math have shaped the world you live in.
I知 positive I would enjoy having a beer with you. I知 just not ready to go out on that limb. It requires the assumption that man has the capacity to be omniscient. I知 not that smart and have seen too many flaws in the human condition to surrender my doubts. I have personally experienced enough wonders in my life to leave room for faith.
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I’m positive I would enjoy having a beer with you. I’m just not ready to go out on that limb. It requires the assumption that man has the capacity to be omniscient. I’m not that smart and have seen too many flaws in the human condition to surrender my doubts. I have personally experienced enough wonders in my life to leave room for faith.
We don’t have the RAM or the HD in our entire species of individuals to name all the stars we can see.

Omniscience isn’t possible for man.
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Lmao!! Me too brotha me too!
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Omniscience isn稚 possible for man.
The NSA was trying pretty hard to make it possible
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Have you ever seen a baby born? I have twice.. That's a miracle.
That's all I have to see to know there is a GOD..
If you haven't you should try it..


As far as seeing electron, protons, neutrons, light waves, Gravity, WIND(LOL), my brain(LOL again)and all the other silly things you fellas have thrown at me, obviously they do exist but in the end I really could careless..
Obviously, much like those who crucified Galileo. Thankfully, there were people who did care, that the earth wasn't the center of the universe, that comets weren't celestial beings, etc... They quested for knowledge, the truth, the why, and how. We live in a astonishing world, that has been built by science. We can repair bad eyes with lasers, put in artificial hearts, talk to people across the world at the speed of light, use algorithms to put satellites in space, and on and on, but I won't bore you, because you don't care.
We should all just blindly believe, quit looking for answers, and just wait to die, so we can go to heaven?
The church has always rejected science, and always will, period. Doesn't fit in well with their storyline, period.
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Lmao!! Me too brotha me too!
Now here you go!!!

Your supposed to have my 6...
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I'm sure he went with a BIG BANG!
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I知 positive I would enjoy having a beer with you. I知 just not ready to go out on that limb. It requires the assumption that man has the capacity to be omniscient. I知 not that smart and have seen too many flaws in the human condition to surrender my doubts. I have personally experienced enough wonders in my life to leave room for faith.
Brother, I've experienced a lot myself. Grew up in church, spent my whole life in church school, etc, etc... Read the bible through 8 times by the time I graduated, spent a 100 hrs at the alter praying, camp meeting, missionary convention, revival, you name it. My entire life, I could never wrap my head around the fact that there was actually a man upstairs. Never understood what other people were talking about etc... Watched people cry, run the aisles and shout, everyone talking about how the spirit of God was really there that night, etc... In my whole life, since as far as I can remember, I've never once felt, seen, or heard anything, I thought was more than could be credited to plain ole human nature. It has never made any sense to me.
Think of a universe as grand as ours, the scale of it, what it's capable of, and the type of being it would take to create it (God). Immeasurable, absolutely unbelievable knowledge, and power. The fact that I could do something to slight this being, or sin against him, doesn't compute in my head. We are the equivalent of an ant farm in a kids window, except we would be millions of times dumber than the ants, and the kid would be Einstein
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[QUOTE=MadHatter;13255004]Obviously, much like those who crucified Galileo. Thankfully, there were people who did care, that the earth wasn't the center of the universe, that comets weren't celestial beings, etc... They quested for knowledge, the truth, the why, and how. We live in a astonishing world, that has been built by science. We can repair bad eyes with lasers, put in artificial hearts, talk to people across the world at the speed of light, use algorithms to put satellites in space, and on and on, but I won't bore you, because you don't care.
We should all just blindly believe, quit looking for answers, and just wait to die, so we can go to heaven?
The church has always rejected science, and always will, period. Doesn't fit in well with their storyline,

There is a LOT of evidence that " science " is not all it's cracked up to be. Lots of evidence that humans ( or someone ) was much more intelligent 50 thousand years ago than the science wants us to believe.
Hawking was brilliant but he could not hold a candle to past intellectuals. Now this thread got off on a bad path, by "Christian "
But don't hold all believers accountable for a few
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Have you ever seen a baby born? I have twice.. That's a miracle.
That's all I have to see to know there is a GOD..
If you haven't you should try it..

Is a miscarriage or a stillborn infant a miracle? What about IVF?

Hawking fathered multiple children. Apparently he wasn稚 equally convinced of its miraculousness.
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Now here you go!!!

Your supposed to have my 6...
I've got better things to do than argue the existence of God, or what a wack job in a wheel chair thought... you know my stance on God already brother...
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There is a LOT of evidence that " science " is not all it's cracked up to be. Lots of evidence that humans ( or someone ) was much more intelligent 50 thousand years ago than the science wants us to believe.

Hawking was brilliant but he could not hold a candle to past intellectuals. Now this thread got off on a bad path, by "Christian "

But don't hold all believers accountable for a few

3 generalized and unevidenced claims in one post. Nice job.
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Old 03-16-2018, 11:13 PM   #295
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I've got better things to do than argue the existence of God, or what a wack job in a wheel chair thought... you know my stance on God already brother...
I know that's right.. I got a little caught up in it myself.. It was fun I guess..
I was trying to mount a giant deer and type at the same time.. Now I have a hole in my finger and glue on my dang phone. Time for bed.
Got to get up at 4 to go to work..

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Old 03-16-2018, 11:19 PM   #296
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Brother, I've experienced a lot myself. Grew up in church, spent my whole life in church school, etc, etc... Read the bible through 8 times by the time I graduated, spent a 100 hrs at the alter praying, camp meeting, missionary convention, revival, you name it. My entire life, I could never wrap my head around the fact that there was actually a man upstairs. Never understood what other people were talking about etc... Watched people cry, run the aisles and shout, everyone talking about how the spirit of God was really there that night, etc... In my whole life, since as far as I can remember, I've never once felt, seen, or heard anything, I thought was more than could be credited to plain ole human nature. It has never made any sense to me.
Think of a universe as grand as ours, the scale of it, what it's capable of, and the type of being it would take to create it (God). Immeasurable, absolutely unbelievable knowledge, and power. The fact that I could do something to slight this being, or sin against him, doesn't compute in my head. We are the equivalent of an ant farm in a kids window, except we would be millions of times dumber than the ants, and the kid would be Einstein
this makes total sense to me, as to why people dont believe. its not easy to believe a book full of accounts about burning bushes, floating ax heads, dudes thrown into furnaces and living. then a follow up book about men walking on water, dead being raised, and virgin birth.

yet, after witnessing an obvious battle between good and evil, that plays out all around us, it becomes much easier to understand we are small pawns in comparison to this supernatural war between heavenly hosts.

we can list all the craziest conspiracy theories that weve all ever heard, and it is my burning conviction, that the full truth would pale those conspiracies in terms of unbelievable wildness.

hawking dawkins, those guys are selling what is "logical" and plausible. that is satans finest work. once he can convince humanity that he doesnt exist, he is assured free reign to successfully kill steal and destroy, undetected. as a foe, satan is formidable.
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Old 03-16-2018, 11:20 PM   #297
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Vermin, I take it back. I no longer want to have a beer with you. We have now escalated to a camp fire on a hill country bluff and a limitless pile of cedar stumps. A bottle Dalmor scotch is all that separates us.

It’s obvious you are a good man. Your questions are honest. I only “pray” that you keep your mind and heart open.
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Old 03-17-2018, 05:35 AM   #298
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So, it sounds like you don't like being called out and criticized in a very direct, tell-it-like-it is manner.

Jesus definitely advocated speaking and sharing the truth, but he never advocated doing it in a manner that was basically an attack on another person.

I've certainly done it both ways in my time as well, brother. I regret the times I've done it wrong. I try to do it right more often. I never get it right all the time either. Just keep trying.
i dont appreciate being called stupid shane. but even less do i like it being endorsed as perfect wording, right before being admonished by the same person, for what was just deemed as being right, true and proper.

curt and i are not on the same team. im relatively sure of that. he has challenged my claims of us being in the last days as well. i feel like you held his jacket while he turned me into a rock pile. the insults i will recover from, but the fact that you may back up another ashamed christian, against a true unashamed bold brother or sister in the future, is most alarming. there are a ton of warnings in the bible about this very thing.

the keep your light hidden under a bowl, institutionalized, 501c3 bunch has been as worthless as tits on a boar, in advancing the Kingdom inside of the usa, for decades now. dont worry, we will not push others farther into hell, if thats your concern. nor will anyone lose what they already have because of our methods. so, whats it gonna hurt? the 501c long term plan of letting millions slide into the abyss without protest?

if you believe the word, you will know these verses are going to happen. who are these "believers" that will turn on Gods people?

luke 6:22
john 16:2*
is 66:5

* speaks directly to "christians" turning on CHRISTians.

have you, fly, curt, "lolsmart" saltwater, ect, ever been "called out" for your faith? it seems Gods people will suffer persecution and more.

curt i understand because he never really needed Jesus in the first place. he is special just the way he is, but if youre a faulty broken man like me, and many others, you need HIM! getting the truth out in every way possible cant be a bad thing.

the lot of you have no biblical ground to stand on in opposition to that statement. but i know a few of us want to make sure we get it right, so i put my conviction here for review or critique. just dont call it "my opinion".
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Old 03-17-2018, 06:58 AM   #299
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Wash the sand out of your *****. No one cares what you think.
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Old 03-17-2018, 07:31 AM   #300
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i mean "insults to him fall onto me"
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i dont appreciate being called stupid

I think you have it mixed up in you head that 妬nsults to you fall onto Him
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