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Old 01-21-2018, 09:46 AM   #1
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Default Traditional First Shot Challenge Week 4

This weeks challenge will be a 5 Shot challenge.

Shots to be taken from 15 yards for the adults. 7 yards for the kiddos.

I would prefer, that you to take each shot on different days, but if you get up against time, then shoot them all at once, or finish up all at once with your remaining shots.

Draw a 2" circle on a standard piece of paper, or whatever you have handy.



Any shot landing outside the circle:
Scores the measured distance from the edge of the arrow shaft to the nearest line of the circle.

Any shot landing on / touching / cutting the line of the circle:
Scores a 0 "zero".

Any shot landing cleanly inside the circle (does not touch the line):
Scores a - 1/2" (negative one half inch)

Lowest total of the 5 shots wins the call for next week.

Shoot straight, and have fun.

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Nice twist.

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Legit challenge, here, to be in a two-inch circle on every first shot released consistently.
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Bona fide kill shot, there, Rick! Way to lead us out!
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Bona fide kill shot, there, Rick! Way to lead us out!
I almost lillipopped that one too.
Had to let down, and regroup my brain for it.

You know what I'm talking about.

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Hmm.. Harder than it looks. First one for me.

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Edit: I hate my camera...... phone...... paperweight thing. No idea why the image is rotated.
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I almost lillipopped that one too.
Had to let down, and regroup my brain for it.

You know what I'm talking about.

Rick
Regroup like Tiger Woods when a camera clicked mid-swing. Then stripe it down the middle!

So, you're basically covering the circle with arrow tip at this range, if executing properly, right? Is this system available to anyone to learn, and is it what's described on video "The Push" as "fixed crawl"?

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Regroup like Tiger Woods when a camera clicked mid-swing. Then stripe it down the middle!

So, you're basically covering the circle with arrow tip at this range, if executing properly, right? Is this system available to anyone to learn, and is it what's described on video "The Push" as "fixed crawl"?

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It is utilizing the fixed crawl.

What I can't make up my mind on doing is - do I want to lollipop the spot I want to hit on top of the point, or do I want to actually rest the tip directly on the spot I want to hit?

There are pros & cons to each:

Lollipop aiming keeps your spot from being covered/hidden by the arrow tip, especially at longer distances, but isn't quite as pinpoint accurate.

Actually placing the point on the spot is a bit more pinpoint, but covering your spot from view can cause you to drift off center a bit.

Since I am more used to it, I'm actually leaning toward doing the lollipopping, and just trying to refine it some.

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It is utilizing the fixed crawl.

What I can't make up my mind on doing is - do I want to lollipop the spot I want to hit on top of the point, or do I want to actually rest the tip directly on the spot I want to hit?

There are pros & cons to each:

Lollipop aiming keeps your spot from being covered/hidden by the arrow tip, especially at longer distances, but isn't quite as pinpoint accurate.

Actually placing the point on the spot is a bit more pinpoint, but covering your spot from view can cause you to drift off center a bit.

Since I am more used to it, I'm actually leaning toward doing the lollipopping, and just trying to refine it some.

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I know it takes years of shooting to get to your level but every time you talk about three under/fixed crawl it sounds so...... easy. Great shooting!

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I know it takes years of shooting to get to your level but every time you talk about three under/fixed crawl it sounds so...... easy. Great shooting!

Richard.
So easy it's almost like cheating.

I know guys who can regularly hit targets with iron sights at 300 yards with a lever action rifle off hand. I know guys who can barely hit a 3" bull at a hundred yards with an accurate bolt gun at 100 yards from a bench rest. You have to perfect your craft and it takes time and repetition. Rick obviously puts it in and there aren't any "easy" outs.
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I know it takes years of shooting to get to your level but every time you talk about three under/fixed crawl it sounds so...... easy. Great shooting!

Richard.
Thank you very much.

It isn't easy, BUT it gets easier.
It just takes some understanding, and practice.
I'm old, and I'm determined/hard headed.

"Anything" you do, "IF" you have a well thought through process to draw/reflect on, it will make it easier to do.

Without that "thought through" process it makes it almost impossible for you to know what you've done wrong when you do, therefore almost impossible to make the necessary corrections.

With a "thought through" process, you will almost always know immediately what you did wrong, And Why.

For me - That applies to "everything" in life. Not just my shooting.

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Shooting instinctive, I have little idea exactly what to think about in aiming, except to just maintain focus and have solid process.

Anyway, shot this at halftime of playoff game. Real happy; just got inside circle, with a little white between shaft and line. So, Day # 1= -1/2".


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Day one 2&7/16ths. I'm staying with one shot a day.

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Alrighty then...day one, gap shooting. Gap was good but I think my release was bad. 2.5"


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Let's call shot two 7/16ths.

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Very nice, DRT!

How are you holding the string now -- with two on solid and index lightly touching the nock side?
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Split with ring finger tip on string but not hooked. I've shot about a dozen arrows that way. I can hold my normal form and follow through. Tried that back in November but it still shocked the crud out of that finger each release. So for now I'll keep shooting a few arrows this way and let that finger continue to heal. Swelling is way down but still half again the size of the other side. Must say though the six shots I took today made me feel better about life.

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Split with ring finger tip on string but not hooked. I've shot about a dozen arrows that way. I can hold my normal form and follow through. Tried that back in November but it still shocked the crud out of that finger each release. So for now I'll keep shooting a few arrows this way and let that finger continue to heal. Swelling is way down but still half again the size of the other side. Must say though the six shots I took today made me feel better about life.

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Aha. Forgot it's the ring finger that's hurt. Anyway, glad you're figuring it out while continuing to heal.

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Day 2 / Shot 2

Once again, my brain fixed on the lollipop aim.
It all felt so good/natural, that before I knew it the arrow was gone.

It hit right where I had the point settled, and THAT SETTLES IT.
I am going to adjust for, and continue to use the lollipop style aiming,
because it comes natural, and I am able to maintain a much better left/right hold with it.



Good shooting so far folks.
Keep it up.

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Day 1/Shot 1 - 7/8"
This is only my second shooting session after about a 2 month layoff, so I'm not displeased with this shot. I just hope I can keep it up.
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Not posting the picture. 3 3/4" out for me on shot two. Had a crappy day at work and came home to hopefully relax outside. After that shot I just about chucked the bow over the fence.

Time to get something to snack on and then head back out there and send some shafts downrange.

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Edit: you guys sure know how to set the bar high don't cha?!
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Day two, shot two.
.61 or between 39/64 and 5/8.
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Day 1. Shot 1. Wanted to start yesterday but my old friend Gout came to town two weeks ago and has still not left. I’m thinking 7/32”. Good shooting guys.
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Too busy working on wife's Hyundai and my own F150 to shoot today. Some good shooting going on, though.
Geezy: Rick likes 64ths; and don't cheat yourself out of that paper thickness ... and 32nds, Ken... sometimes 16ths just don't do justice. ; nice shot Phillip.

And, oh yeah, great shot, Rick!
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Too busy working on wife's Hyundai and my own F150 to shoot today. Some good shooting going on, though.
Geezy: Rick likes 64ths; and don't cheat yourself out of that paper thickness ... and 32nds, Ken... sometimes 16ths just don't do justice. ; nice shot Phillip.

And, oh yeah, great shot, Rick!
I’d be cheating y’all with sixteenths and cheating myself with quarters haha!
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Man that is some good shooting men way to go!!
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Don't make me get out my digital micrometer . . .

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Shot 1 last night... 4 3/8"
Found fistemele was off...
Shot 2 this mornin... 2 3/16"
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Lollipop - Lollipop - Oh Lolli - Lolli Lolli - Lollipop - Be Dum Dum Dum - Lollipop !

Anyone remember that song?

Spent a bit last evening adjusting my 15 yard crawl to work for my lollipop style aiming.

It worked out real well.
Today's shot was holding the tip of the arrow right on the shot #2 hole (as best I could).

Day 3 / Shot 3 - Total = -1"



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I'm getting worse.
Day 1 - 7/8"
Day 2 - 2 1/2"
Total 3 3/8
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Rick's breaking into song he's shooting so well!

Meantime, while waiting on a new caliper, I shot my Day 2 effort 1-1/4" low for a two-day total of 3/4".


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The release felt bad, therefore it was bad. Day two shot two- 2 1/8”. I’ll round yesterday’s shot to 1/4” so total of 2 3/8”.
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Rick you really don't take it easy on us do you! LOL!!! Great shooting man, great shooting all! Shot three for me was 3/8" out.
Day 1- 1 and 15/16"
Day 2- 3 and 3/4"
Day 3- 3/8"

Total is what? 6 and 1/16"? Oh that's posting some serious numbers right there!

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Thanks Guys.
I love shooting good groups (with one arrow, one shot at a time)

Still two shots to go. I won't be a bit surprised to see the wheels fall off on at least one, or both of them.

Giving in to, and going ahead & adjusting for the lollipop aiming, looks like is going to be the best decision for me.

Even though I am using the arrow to aim, I just shoot better when I can openly see the spot I want to hit, and the only way to do that is to lollipop it.

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Shot three 1&9/16ths.

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Some nice shooting, y'all!

Rick: your reasoning makes sense on target picture; keep it up!

Btw, Ken, my mention of a caliper was regarding a brake caliper -- occurs to me you may have thought I was taking a swipe at you. Not so.

Carry on.
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Some nice shooting, y'all!

Rick: your reasoning makes sense on target picture; keep it up!

Btw, Ken, my mention of a caliper was regarding a brake caliper -- occurs to me you may have thought I was taking a swipe at you. Not so.

Carry on.
No sir! Hahaha! It just makes it easier math for a simpleton such as my self.
Good shooting fellas!
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No improvement here. 2.03


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I've been thinking about getting one of these to measure my shots, but I can't find a yardstick version of it.

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Rick, I think six inches will work for measuring your shots.
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I still have one of those. Great little tool to have with you around machinery.

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Day 3 shot- 4 3/4"

First Ive shot at 15 yds holding the bow as vertical as possible. I figured since I missed the paper completely...I better see if Im grouping.

Last night...I made a case to myself for not canting the bow...when I shot bareshafts and held the bow vertical and ended up with some of my best trad groupings.

My logic for not canting: elimination of variable...especially my varying cant angle.

Its a slow grind.
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Briar: Just get that tight group moved over a little and you're in business! If shooting instinctive, just keep doing the same thing with bow hand and release -- your brain will magically move the impact point over. (You will subconsciously move your bow hand a little.)
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Day 1 - 7/8"
Day 2 - 2 1/2"
Day 3 - 1/2"

Total - 3 7/8
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Day 3 shot- 4 3/4"

First Ive shot at 15 yds holding the bow as vertical as possible. I figured since I missed the paper completely...I better see if Im grouping.

Last night...I made a case to myself for not canting the bow...when I shot bareshafts and held the bow vertical and ended up with some of my best trad groupings.

My logic for not canting: elimination of variable...especially my varying cant angle.

Its a slow grind.
Byron if your shooting gap or some other style of aiming with the arrow could you be s little on the weak side with shafts? I mean of course if your shooting right handed. Your group is great.
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Day 4 / Shot 4

Told ya the wheels might fall off.
The sun was shining directly in my eyes. Should have waited until later.



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Told y'all Rick liked 64ths....
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Just shot my Day 3 arrow, almost in the same low spot as Day 2. A little better: 1"; so three-day total is 1-3/4".


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Rick you know you shot that with your eyes closed.
Here's my day 4. 1&1/8". I'm all around it. Give me a few weeks and I might get one in.
I only shot the one shot today. At least with the long bow.


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