Happy Holidays or Merry Christmas?

[RiverRat1]

Well looky there.... At what Trump calls it.. I bet liberals love this one LOL



The Promise:

"If I become president, we're going to be saying Merry Christmas at every store. You can leave (happy holidays) at the corner. ...Other religions can do what they want.”


Update November 29th, 2017: Trump wishes 'Merry Christmas' in annual White House greeting card

[DUKFVR]

Gotta love the guy for not being politically correct.

[texasnavy05]

ive never understood how saying merry Christmas was politically incorrect. I realize that "happy holidays" is more inclusive, but neither are politically incorrect.

am i the only one that thinks the whole "war on political correctness " is a non-issue. seems like pandering to the base on an issue with no real consequences either way.


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[BrandonA]

[Ironman]

Originally Posted by texasnavy05

ive never understood how saying merry Christmas was politically incorrect. I realize that "happy holidays" is more inclusive, but neither are politically incorrect.

am i the only one that thinks the whole "war on political correctness " is a non-issue. seems like pandering to the base on an issue with no real consequences either way.


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Well, until things like Christmas programs in school, school prayer, The Pledge of Allegiance and stuff like that. I think there is ample proof of the consequences personally.

[texasnavy05]

Originally Posted by Ironman

Well, until things like Christmas programs in school, school prayer, The Pledge of Allegiance and stuff like that. I think there is ample proof of the consequences personally.

is there some rule that says you cant say the pledge of allegiance? or have a christmas program? or pray in school?

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[Ironman]

Originally Posted by texasnavy05

is there some rule that says you cant say the pledge of allegiance? or have a christmas program? or pray in school?

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At a whole **** load of schools, yes. Due to PC.

[texasnavy05]

Originally Posted by Ironman

At a whole **** load of schools, yes. Due to PC.

ive never heard of a school where students cant say the pledge of allegiance,and nobody can stop me from praying anywhere i want.

School Christmas programs...i honestly wouldnt care about them cancelling all of them. how would you feel about a school making your kid participate in a Hanukkah program?

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[texasnavy05]

Originally Posted by Ironman

At a whole **** load of schools, yes. Due to PC.

so basically, you want it to go back to the good ol days when the only religion represented at public places was Christianity.

i would like that as well, but i also realize that this is a nation with religious freedoms, and their is a separation of church and state.

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[Ironman]

Originally Posted by texasnavy05

so basically, you want it to go back to the good ol days when the only religion represented at public places was Christianity.

i would like that as well, but i also realize that this is a nation with religious freedoms, and their is a separation of church and state.

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Not going down this rabbit hole with you. You have already admitted that you are unexposed and unaware of what goes on outside of your bubble. I'll just leave it at that. Have a good day!

Just for the record, this country wasn't founded on Judaism.

[texasnavy05]

Originally Posted by Ironman

Not going down this rabbit hole with you. You have already admitted that you are unexposed and unaware of what goes on outside of your bubble. I'll just leave it at that. Have a good day!

Just for the record, this country wasn't founded on Judaism.

i would actually say im just as exposed as anyone on here. being that ive lived in nearly every region of the U.S. in my adult life. and ive been in jobs/university where there are all sorts of cultures/religions/races. these experiences really opened up my eyes to things that were nonexistent in my rural youth life. but, yes, im unaware of the current trend of declining masculinity in the US and ill admit that.

i know you say it's a rabbit hole, but i think you're missing an opportunity to teach me something. yes, ive got opinions, but im always up for learning something new.

i understand that Christianity was a big part of our nations beginning. but, even the founding realized the importance of separation of church and state.

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[Ironman]

Originally Posted by texasnavy05

i would actually say im just as exposed as anyone on here. being that ive lived in nearly every region of the U.S. in my adult life. and ive been in jobs/university where there are all sorts of cultures/religions/races. these experiences really opened up my eyes to things that were nonexistent in my rural youth life. but, yes, im unaware of the current trend of declining masculinity in the US and ill admit that.

i know you say it's a rabbit hole, but i think you're missing an opportunity to teach me something. yes, ive got opinions, but im always up for learning something new.

i understand that Christianity was a big part of our nations beginning. but, even the founding realized the importance of separation of church and state.

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Christianity was more than a big part. As far as separation of church and state, our laws mimics the teachings of the Bible. Think 10 commandments.

As stated before, not wasting my time on this with you.

[BULL21]

Originally Posted by texasnavy05

i would actually say im just as exposed as anyone on here. being that ive lived in nearly every region of the U.S. in my adult life. and ive been in jobs/university where there are all sorts of cultures/religions/races. these experiences really opened up my eyes to things that were nonexistent in my rural youth life. but, yes, im unaware of the current trend of declining masculinity in the US and ill admit that.

i know you say it's a rabbit hole, but i think you're missing an opportunity to teach me something. yes, ive got opinions, but im always up for learning something new.

i understand that Christianity was a big part of our nations beginning. but, even the founding realized the importance of separation of church and state.

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The idea of separation of church and state is and idea to prevent the government from forming a national religion. It has nothing to do with schools.

BTW, I say Merry Christmas.

[oktx]

I've never thought of happy holidays as not christian, I always thought of it as a catch all for Thanksgiving, Christmas, and New years.

[texasnavy05]

Originally Posted by BULL21

The idea of separation of church and state is and idea to prevent the government from forming a national religion. It has nothing to do with schools.

BTW, I say Merry Christmas.

a national religion would mean that government controlled places (like schools) would have a religious preference. doesnt it?

i say merry Christmas too.

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[BULL21]

Originally Posted by texasnavy05

a national religion would mean that government controlled places (like schools) would have a religious preference. doesnt it?

i say merry Christmas too.

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As in the government cannot require you to be catholic, Jewish, etc.

[Man]

I agree with an above mentioned....just always assumed it kinda lumped all the Nov-Dec holidays into one comment...Happy Holidays!

[Crazy Horse]

Originally Posted by texasnavy05

how would you feel about a school making your kid participate in a Hanukkah program?

I know of one school district in Texas that has Hanukkah & Islamic (Ramadan) celebration/recognition weeks (and by name), but any reference to Christmas must be labeled as "Winter"; i.e. "Class Winter Party"..."Winter Programs"..."Winter Songs"...etc.

[Roy Munson]

Originally Posted by Crazy Horse

I know of one school district in Texas that has Hanukkah & Islamic (Ramadan) celebration/recognition weeks (and by name), but any reference to Christmas must be labeled as "Winter"; i.e. "Class Winter Party"..."Winter Programs"..."Winter Songs"...etc.

That’s totally ****ed up. What district?

[Crazy Horse]

Originally Posted by Roy Munson

That’s totally ****ed up. What district?

Google it & do a little searching...you'll be shocked...

A few of my friend's wives who teacher were basically told to say nothing about it...

[Man]

Originally Posted by Crazy Horse

Google it & do a little searching...you'll be shocked...

A few of my friend's wives who teacher were basically told to say nothing about it...

What are the consequences of mentioning the district on here?

[Crazy Horse]

I know some school districts have had such a problem they published religious handbooks...it's the loopholes that are the issue...some "groups' look for them to exploit & others don't.

Here's one from Austin ISD

https://www.austinisd.org/sites/defa...14_October.pdf

[Crazy Horse]

Oh & please read what HB 308 says before thinking that protects you 100%..

[TxAg]

Originally Posted by oktx

I've never thought of happy holidays as not christian, I always thought of it as a catch all for Thanksgiving, Christmas, and New years.

Same here

[AZST_bowhunter]

"The student understands the concept of diversity
within unity in Texas. The student is expected to
explain how the diversity of Texas is reflected in a
variety of cultural activities, celebrations, and
performances; describe how people from various
racial, ethnic, and religious groups attempt to
maintain their cultural heritage while adapting to the
larger Texas culture; [and] identify examples of
Spanish influence and the influence of other cultures
on Texas such as place names, vocabulary, religion,
architecture, "

Do you think the teachers head would explode if a student explained that there are only three races in the world?

[texasnavy05]

Originally Posted by Crazy Horse

I know of one school district in Texas that has Hanukkah & Islamic (Ramadan) celebration/recognition weeks (and by name), but any reference to Christmas must be labeled as "Winter"; i.e. "Class Winter Party"..."Winter Programs"..."Winter Songs"...etc.

this is ridiculous. which district is it? id be interested in reading more about this.

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[Roy Munson]

I looked around a little bit but couldn't find anything about a Texas district who restricted the use of the word Christmas during the holidays. Can you just name the district?

[batmaninja]

Originally Posted by Crazy Horse

..some "groups' look for them to exploit & others don't.

Its not apples to apples, but that is how Nativity scenes got banned -

In 2011, a number of atheists applied for space in what the builders of the Christian-themed scenes believed was an attempt to keep them and other religious groups from installing their displays. The atheists opposed the installation of nativity scenes in a public park, saying it was a violation of the constitutional separation of church and state.

Santa Monica city leaders responded by creating a lottery system to hand out space in the park for the displays, and the atheists won most spots.

With creators of the nativity scenes and atheists vowing to submit large numbers of applications, city officials decided to prohibit displays in the park.

The Santa Monica Nativity Scenes Committee, a group of residents responsible for creating the nativity scenes, sued the city in 2012, accusing it of violating their rights to free speech under the U.S. Constitution.

A U.S. District judge later ruled the city had acted with neutrality when it prohibited all displays, prompting the committee to appeal. On Thursday, a three-judge panel of the 9th U.S. Circuit Court of Appeals affirmed the lower court’s judgment and ruled in favor of the city.

[JFISHER]

Originally Posted by texasnavy05

so basically, you want it to go back to the good ol days when the only religion represented at public places was Christianity.

i would like that as well, but i also realize that this is a nation with religious freedoms, and their is a separation of church and state.

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no, not really

[RiverRat1]

Go Trump!

BTW - If a person doesn't understand "separation of church and state" they simply don't want to. It's not rocket science what they meant.

[Mike D]

Originally Posted by RiverRat1

Go Trump!



BTW - If a person doesn't understand "separation of church and state" they simply don't want to. It's not rocket science what they meant.

Yep. It has been blown WAY out of proportion and applied where it doesn’t belong.


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