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Old 12-12-2017, 10:16 PM   #101
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Tonight Alabama is a disgrace. Plain and simple. They just turned the tide for the dems. Call me what you may but remember what I said a year from now.
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Old 12-12-2017, 10:30 PM   #102
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Roy Moore no more. Poor ole fella lost his race
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Old 12-12-2017, 10:30 PM   #103
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whats the margin for a mandatory recount? id imagine that they are within the limit being less than a percent of separation.

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Old 12-12-2017, 10:31 PM   #104
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Should never have taken Sessions out of the Senate, now we have a democrat in the seat and a useless AG.
Yep. I knew Sessions would get a good position and happy to see him at AG. Then out of the blue while Trump is out of town he recuses himself! And did not have to! I really thought the President should have canned him then. Our other Senator said he would not vote for the nominee of the party. I don't know what the end will be but this is hatchet job so far. Unfortunately Republicans are involved
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Default Roy Moore....Repubelickin' hit job?

The chickens have come home to roost.

Happy to see Alabama moderates and centrists take a stand tonight against political extremism and religiously-motivated demagoguery.

Trump commits yet another unforced error by overtly backing a bigoted zealot and theocrat. I expect he will pay the price in 2018.

Hasta la vista, Roy Moore. Evidently God was not on your side.
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The chickens have come home to roost.

Happy to see Alabama moderates and centrists take a stand tonight against political extremism and religiously-motivated demagoguery.

Trump commits yet another unforced error by overtly backing a bigoted zealot and theocrat. I expect he will pay the price in 2018.

Hasta la vista, Roy Moore. Evidently God was not on your side.
What a tribalistic statement.
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Old 12-12-2017, 11:15 PM   #107
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Lol. Good job Bannon. I’m guessing a bunch of tweets are about to be deleted.
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Old 12-12-2017, 11:18 PM   #108
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A child molestor barely lost. How terrifying.
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Old 12-12-2017, 11:44 PM   #109
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Tonight Alabama is a disgrace. Plain and simple. They just turned the tide for the dems. Call me what you may but remember what I said a year from now.


Same way I’m feeling. Sad that they couldn’t get anything done with majority but even worse now they definitely won’t!
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A child molestor barely lost. How terrifying.


I must have missed where he was convicted of something. Other than in public opinion that is.


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Old 12-13-2017, 06:56 AM   #112
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Default Roy Moore....Repubelickin' hit job?

Roy Moore last night -

“God is always in control”

“What we’ve got to do is wait on God and let this process play out.”

God must be enjoying this cliffhanger. Can’t wait to see where he finds 22,000 more votes for Roy Moore.
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Old 12-13-2017, 07:03 AM   #113
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The chickens have come home to roost.

Happy to see Alabama moderates and centrists take a stand tonight against political extremism and religiously-motivated demagoguery.

Trump commits yet another unforced error by overtly backing a bigoted zealot and theocrat. I expect he will pay the price in 2018.

Hasta la vista, Roy Moore. Evidently God was not on your side.


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Roy Moore last night -

“God is always in control”

“What we’ve got to do is wait on God and let this process play out.”

God must be enjoying this cliffhanger. Can’t wait to see where he finds 22,000 more votes for Roy Moore.


Typical liberal responses.

No substance, name calling and labeling with a little jab at faith thrown in.


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Old 12-13-2017, 07:15 AM   #114
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Typical liberal responses.

No substance, name calling and labeling with a little jab at faith thrown in.


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What sort of substance would you like to frame Moore’s loss. Maybe some scripture?

Maybe try thinking independently for a minute.

Do you deny Roy would credit God if he had won?

God’s is always in control - right?

Moore’s words....not mine.

Let’s assume Moore’s assertion is correct. It’s looking like “He” felt a close loss for Moore and his evangelical fan base was appropriate.

I couldn’t agree more.
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Old 12-13-2017, 07:32 AM   #115
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I must have missed where he was convicted of something. Other than in public opinion that is.


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thats just the way it works. think about how many times you heard ppl chanting "lock her up" for a year before the presidential election. no conviction. but she was certainly guilty by public opinion.

our justice system has helped fuel this as well. there are plenty of guilty people who arent convicted. the courts may let them off of the hook but the ppl wont.

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Old 12-13-2017, 07:47 AM   #116
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What sort of substance would you like to frame Moore’s loss. Maybe some scripture?

Maybe try thinking independently for a minute.

Do you deny Roy would credit God if he had won?

God’s is always in control - right?

Moore’s words....not mine.

Let’s assume Moore’s assertion is correct. It’s looking like “He” felt a close loss for Moore and his evangelical fan base was appropriate.

I couldn’t agree more.


Your post has no susbstance.

What difference does it make whether he gives credit to God, either positive or negative? How does that affect you or anyone else in any way?

I can assure you I think plenty independently unlike the Alabama voters (and some on here) because they had already convicted him of wrongdoings in their minds even though he has not been formally indicted or convicted of the things he has been accused of. The sheep believed the media rather than thinking got themselves.


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thats just the way it works. think about how many times you heard ppl chanting "lock her up" for a year before the presidential election. no conviction. but she was certainly guilty by public opinion.

our justice system has helped fuel this as well. there are plenty of guilty people who arent convicted. the courts may let them off of the hook but the ppl wont.

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I agree and it’s pathetic. But that’s what the general populous has been groomed (indoctrinated) to do.


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Old 12-13-2017, 07:55 AM   #118
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It's tough to lose a senate seat to the vermins but everyday Trump is in office America is winning.
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Old 12-13-2017, 08:42 AM   #119
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Typical liberal responses.

No substance, name calling and labeling with a little jab at faith thrown in.


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I've been assured by every one of his post that he is not a liberal. He's a moderately central, independent centrist who is moderate on issues that independents can't take sides on because of the central issue with tribalism outside of the moderate, central line of independent thinking.

Probably too complicated for your simple, Bible thumping mind to comprehend. Either that or you just can't get a clear picture from all of the gaseous smug substance that cloud every one of his post.
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Old 12-13-2017, 08:42 AM   #120
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Amen!
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I've been assured by every one of his post that he is not a liberal. He's a moderately central, independent centrist who is moderate on issues that independents can't take sides on because of the central issue with tribalism outside of the moderate, central line of independent thinking.

Probably too complicated for your simple, Bible thumping mind to comprehend. Either that or you just can't get a clear picture from all of the gaseous smug substance that cloud every one of his post.
Lol! That's just pure awesomeness.
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Lol! That's just pure awesomeness.
Awesomeness? That's a pretty lopsided synopsis. Run with the same tribe much? geez.
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Awesomeness? That's a pretty lopsided synopsis. Run with the same tribe much? geez.
What? I was asserting your description was spot on.
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I've been assured by every one of his post that he is not a liberal. He's a moderately central, independent centrist who is moderate on issues that independents can't take sides on because of the central issue with tribalism outside of the moderate, central line of independent thinking.

Probably too complicated for your simple, Bible thumping mind to comprehend. Either that or you just can't get a clear picture from all of the gaseous smug substance that cloud every one of his post.
I just wish people would quit quoting him so I wouldn't have to see his rhetoric.
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What? I was asserting your description was spot on.
Haha i know bud. I was "continuing on with the act" so to speak.
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Haha i know bud. I was "continuing on with the act" so to speak.
Ok. Sarcasm fluid checked and filled.
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He loves taking those little digs

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A child molestor barely lost. How terrifying.
Who molested a child?
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He loves toking those little digs
He does. Atheist are the most dogmatic people in modern American society.
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Old 12-13-2017, 10:25 AM   #130
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Who molested a child?
Allegedly sexually assaulted child a long time ago. That’s a very serious label to put on someone. Not fair or productive to call him a child molester. Totally fair to be concerned that it’s even been alleged. IIRC, he did admit to dating 15 and 16 year old girls(with parents permission) when he was thirty. I have a daughter near that age. That’s totally creepy. A 30yo romantically calling on a 15yo is so outside of normal. That’s pure creep. Creep doesn’t go away either. They can fight it but it’s always there, just under the surface.
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When the choice is between a pervert and a supporter of unregulated abortion (and everything else the Democrats stand for), it's just a sad day all the way around. I'm pretty sure God isn't cheerleading for either one of those.
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Allegedly sexually assaulted child a long time ago. That’s a very serious label to put on someone. Not fair or productive to call him a child molester. Totally fair to be concerned that it’s even been alleged. IIRC, he did admit to dating 15 and 16 year old girls(with parents permission) when he was thirty. I have a daughter near that age. That’s totally creepy. A 30yo romantically calling on a 15yo is so outside of normal. That’s pure creep. Creep doesn’t go away either. They can fight it but it’s always there, just under the surface.
Agreed
My concern with these particular allegations are the fact that they have never been brought up before this election. He has been is public service or at least the public eye in Al. for 40 plus years and not a word. I can guarantee you that if I even thought someone sexually assaulted my 14 y/o child there would be plenty of new coverage with in days not decades. Most likely there would also be an obituary notice in the paper as well.
Certainly not fair to make serious claims like these decades after the alleged events. Also, who the hell gives permission to a 30 y/o to court their 16-18 y/o daughter?
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Roy Moore last night -

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God must be enjoying this cliffhanger. Can’t wait to see where he finds 22,000 more votes for Roy Moore.
Prison, just like the democrats did...
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I've been assured by every one of his post that he is not a liberal. He's a moderately central, independent centrist who is moderate on issues that independents can't take sides on because of the central issue with tribalism outside of the moderate, central line of independent thinking.

Probably too complicated for your simple, Bible thumping mind to comprehend. Either that or you just can't get a clear picture from all of the gaseous smug substance that cloud every one of his post.
Dang..you got skills.

Just for fun, read that real fast three times
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My concern with these particular allegations are the fact that they have never been brought up before this election. He has been is public service or at least the public eye in Al. for 40 plus years and not a word. I can guarantee you that if I even thought someone sexually assaulted my 14 y/o child there would be plenty of new coverage with in days not decades. Most likely there would also be an obituary notice in the paper as well.
Certainly not fair to make serious claims like these decades after the alleged events. Also, who the hell gives permission to a 30 y/o to court their 16-18 y/o daughter?
there are a lot of reasons people dont come forward with these things. they are manipulated as children into thinking theyll get in trouble or hurt. they feel shame. they think that nobody will believe them. they think the person that assaulted them will retaliate. they feel guilt. and a lot of this happened during a time when if they told their support system, those people would also try to discourage them especially if its somebody they want to win a race.

maybe this is just the time when she said enough is enough.

people handle situations differently. especially children. a teenage girl in the 80s would likely feel very powerless to a older man with political power. that is why these perps are disgusting people. and, that is why i dont think there should ever be a statute of limitation.

now, i dont know if the allegations about moore are true, but i do know that if everyone immediately dismisses the claims as false, that will discourage women from coming forward even more.

in this particular case there is enough evidence to think that these allegations are plausible and should not be immediately dismissed.



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Roy Moore last night -

“God is always in control”

“What we’ve got to do is wait on God and let this process play out.”

God must be enjoying this cliffhanger. Can’t wait to see where he finds 22,000 more votes for Roy Moore.
Definitely a chip on your shoulder against religoun in my opinion based on numerous post. Something happen early on in life/college that caused you to take such a focused stance on religoun?
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in this particular case there is enough evidence to think that these allegations are plausible and should not be immediately dismissed.
Then why alter the evidence?
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I've been assured by every one of his post that he is not a liberal. He's a moderately central, independent centrist who is moderate on issues that independents can't take sides on because of the central issue with tribalism outside of the moderate, central line of independent thinking.

Probably too complicated for your simple, Bible thumping mind to comprehend. Either that or you just can't get a clear picture from all of the gaseous smug substance that cloud every one of his post.
You are quite the wordsmith.
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Then why alter the evidence?
she added the date and location. not an umcommon thing to do. message and signature is still his

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she added the date and location. not an umcommon thing to do.
Really, I couldn't even tell that it was added?

Is it uncommon to lie on national TV about it with your attorney present?

During her original press conference with Allred in November, in which she made her original accusation, Nelson read aloud and attributed the entire inscription to Moore, including the date and location.

"He wrote in my yearbook as follows: 'To a sweeter more beautiful girl, I could not say Merry Christmas, Christmas, 1977, Love, Roy Moore, Olde Hickory House. Roy Moore, DA,'" she said.

At the time, Nelson did not admit to writing the date and name of the restaurant herself. The implication was that it had been written by Moore.
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Really, I couldn't even tell that it was added?

Is it uncommon to lie on national TV about it with your attorney present?

During her original press conference with Allred in November, in which she made her original accusation, Nelson read aloud and attributed the entire inscription to Moore, including the date and location.

"He wrote in my yearbook as follows: 'To a sweeter more beautiful girl, I could not say Merry Christmas, Christmas, 1977, Love, Roy Moore, Olde Hickory House. Roy Moore, DA,'" she said.

At the time, Nelson did not admit to writing the date and name of the restaurant herself. The implication was that it had been written by Moore.
ill agree that she shouldnt have lied. it will certainly discredit her testimony. but, if the allegations are true and moore gets off because of that lie it would be a shame.



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As Roy Moore and his supporters continue to wait for divine intervention to save his senate campaign, Mike Huckabee is keeping it real...

“God wasn’t registered to vote in AL but the ppl who voted did speak and it wasn’t close enough for recount. In elections everyone does NOT get a trophy. I know first hand but it’s best to exit with class.”

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"You mean like with a cloth?...............NO!
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it will certainly discredit her testimony. but, if the allegations are true and moore gets off because of that lie it would be a shame.
My understanding is that the allegations is all that we have to go on. There never was any testimony and there never will be any testimony. No one has filed a police report or criminal charges. While the accuser has hired an attorney it was not to pursue criminal charges in any form. No one is going after him criminally what so ever. Right?

A shame if Moore gets off of what?

I think it is a shame a man can lose his career over allegations from 30+ years ago, when the only proof, has been proven to be altered by the proven lying accuser. Thats a shame, no matter what side of the isle you sit on.
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My understanding is that the allegations is all that we have to go on. There never was any testimony and there never will be any testimony. No one has filed a police report or criminal charges. While the accuser has hired an attorney it was not to pursue criminal charges in any form. No one is going after him criminally what so ever. Right?

A shame if Moore gets off of what?

I think it is a shame a man can lose his career over allegations from 30+ years ago, when the only proof, has been proven to be altered by the proven lying accuser. Thats a shame, no matter what side of the isle you sit on.
i said IF the allegations are true. and ill add "and nelson chooses to pursue this" for clarification.

there is actually more evidence that would support nelsons case. but there isnt a case yet. and, not to mention, moore telling a few lies of his own.

again, im not trying to convince anybody that moore is guilty or innocent. but in my opinion, from what ive read there is enough to warrant a deeper look.

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Old 12-13-2017, 02:58 PM   #146
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i said IF the allegations are true. and ill add "and nelson chooses to pursue this" for clarification.

there is actually more evidence that would support nelsons case. but there isnt a case yet. and, not to mention, moore telling a few lies of his own.

again, im not trying to convince anybody that moore is guilty or innocent. but in my opinion, from what ive read there is enough to warrant a deeper look.

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There is absolutely NO evidence of any kind. The only thing this entire ordeal is based on is words coming out of a persons mouth, and that's not evidence, that's testimony. There are written words in a 40 y/o book that's it. And those words are questionable at best. If those words contained something like I'm really sorry about groping, assaulting or raping you then there might be a little evidence.
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There is absolutely NO evidence of any kind. The only thing this entire ordeal is based on is words coming out of a persons mouth, and that's not evidence, that's testimony. There are written words in a 40 y/o book that's it. And those words are questionable at best. If those words contained something like I'm really sorry about groping, assaulting or raping you then there might be a little evidence.
testimony of several people along with 2 separate written notes from moore to 2 different people that align with the testimony.

i dont have a law degree so i may not be using terms like "evidence" correctly. but that is either something of substance or a hell of a coincidence. hence why i said its worth a look.


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Old 12-13-2017, 03:22 PM   #148
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again, im not trying to convince anybody that moore is guilty or innocent. but in my opinion, from what ive read there is enough to warrant a deeper look.
With what end game, what are you trying to accomplish? He cant be found "guilty" if you cant charge him with a 30+ year old crime.

The accuser is to the point they are bringing up a (doctored) 30 year old, year book, dont you think if there was something concrete it would have seen the light of day already?

Moore supposedly frequented a diner. Then picked up an underage waitress at the diner, after publicly flirting with her. Took her behind the diner and raped her. Then left and she went back in to the diner.

And the only proof of guilt, is a year book. A doctored year book. How does this possibly warrant a deeper look?
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Fact is, there will not be another word about Moore from these women which will be proof that his was all a hit job. If they( the women) really are traumatized in some way they will actually pursue something...(which no police department will take part in)
He very well may have done all the things he is accused of but I sure cant understand why someone would wait 40 years to mention it...unless they simply want to ruin someone.
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And the only proof of guilt, is a year book. A doctored year book. How does this possibly warrant a deeper look?
several testimonies along with 2 separate written notes from moore that align with the testimonies. thats all there is. and, imo that warrants a deeper look. ymmv

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