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Old 08-22-2016, 10:08 AM   #1
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Old 08-22-2016, 10:10 AM   #2
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Wow. That is a tough decision. What is the history on him? Were the drops there last year? What about width and tine length?
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Old 08-22-2016, 10:11 AM   #3
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WOW! I am of no help.
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Old 08-22-2016, 10:11 AM   #4
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I would probably walk him on your place. If I saw him on my place there's a good chance I would fall out of the tree before I could get a shot off!
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Old 08-22-2016, 10:15 AM   #5
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He is a bona fide whopper. Dream deer for sure. I am pretty confident he will not be on your hit list this year. Just think what he could like next year unless you have a bad drought, coyotes get him, he gets injured, decisions, decisions ?
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Old 08-22-2016, 10:15 AM   #6
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Outstanding! Personal call as you well know. I do remember you passing up bigger bucks with incredible results.

Very cool buck!
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Old 08-22-2016, 10:24 AM   #7
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Outstanding! Personal call as you well know. I do remember you passing up bigger bucks with incredible results.

Very cool buck!
Yeah... But they didn't have 7 drops... Heheh

I've only ever seen 1 other native deer with this many legit drops (actually he had 8) and he was killed 32 years ago about a mile from where this buck lives.

I suspect he will push drops every year, but no idea if he will have this many... He's had drops on his right side for 2 years prior. This is the first year he has pushed them on his left.
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Old 08-22-2016, 10:27 AM   #8
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Drops are finicky as you know but older deer do seem more prone. If this guy has a pattern then likely to repeat. And you still have a 3-4 yr window for him to please. Still no wrong answer.
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Old 08-22-2016, 10:29 AM   #9
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It would be tuff but let him walk and make sure to find his sheds. He has had drops for the last couple years.
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Old 08-22-2016, 10:30 AM   #10
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Yeah... But they didn't have 7 drops... Heheh

I've only ever seen 1 other native deer with this many legit drops (actually he had 8) and he was killed 32 years ago about a mile from where this buck lives.

I suspect he will push drops every year, but no idea if he will have this many... He's had drops on his right side for 2 years prior. This is the first year he has pushed them on his left.
Sounds like you have your answer. I would take him if you don't think the drops will be back next season.
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Old 08-22-2016, 10:31 AM   #11
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Yeah... But they didn't have 7 drops... Heheh

I've only ever seen 1 other native deer with this many legit drops (actually he had 8) and he was killed 32 years ago about a mile from where this buck lives.

I suspect he will push drops every year, but no idea if he will have this many... He's had drops on his right side for 2 years prior. This is the first year he has pushed them on his left.
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Drops are finicky as you know but older deer do seem more prone. If this guy has a pattern then likely to repeat. And you still have a 3-4 yr window for him to please. Still no wrong answer.
Incredible deer. I have a question for both of you though. I never have had any deer that have ever thrown any drop tines to speak of. We had a real pretty deer last year that had matching double drops. This year he has one small drop on his left and clean on the right. Is there a good chance that he will throw double drops again in the future? Last year they were 6-7" perfectly matching drops and this year it is probably a 2-3" drop. Can post pics for reference if you want.

Encinal, that is an incredible deer. Best of luck in whatever you decide.
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Old 08-22-2016, 10:35 AM   #12
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What are the odds of finding his drops in the spring? You could have the best of both worlds if you were able to find them. Given your situation and place, I would be on the side of letting him walk. But couldnt fault you for taking him this year. Tomorrow isnt promised to anyone or any living thing for that matter.
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Old 08-22-2016, 10:41 AM   #13
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Awesome deer, hopefully he doesn't break up this year and you can get the drops and have the best of both worlds. Special deer for sure
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Old 08-22-2016, 10:42 AM   #14
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That is an amazing rack! Here's something to ponder. If you let him walk, what would you hope to see from him in the future that would make him more appealing later than now? More drops? Longer tines? Higher score? Or is it a matter of leaving him to breed for another year or two?

Other than potentially overall higher gross score, I'm not sure what he could achieve that would be "prettier" or more unique than he is right now. Even a higher score could come at the expense of the aesthetics.

If leaving him to breed is your priority, then your answer is more clear, as he should have a few more good years in him.

Even on your place with the history y'all have, I'd be tempted if everything came together perfectly with shot opportunity, video, etc. If you decide not to shoot him, I'd capture him and saw his antlers off to avoid the temptation if he shows up! (I'm joking...kind of...)
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Old 08-22-2016, 10:49 AM   #15
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He's got to be close to 30" inside.
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Old 08-22-2016, 10:53 AM   #16
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Just emailed you my credit app. Let me know the terms. I'm in.
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Old 08-22-2016, 10:57 AM   #17
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Old 08-22-2016, 10:59 AM   #18
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Incredible. Good luck. I don't blame you what ever you decide!!!
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Old 08-22-2016, 11:00 AM   #19
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Lord have mercy!

Tough call, I would probably shoot him.
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Old 08-22-2016, 11:02 AM   #20
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Yeah... But they didn't have 7 drops... Heheh

I've only ever seen 1 other native deer with this many legit drops (actually he had 8) and he was killed 32 years ago about a mile from where this buck lives.

I suspect he will push drops every year, but no idea if he will have this many... He's had drops on his right side for 2 years prior. This is the first year he has pushed them on his left.
do you have pics of the old buck? cool to know!!
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Old 08-22-2016, 11:02 AM   #21
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Personally I would ice that sucker and not think twice about it.
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Old 08-22-2016, 11:06 AM   #22
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I love him. He sure may do better in the future but he is already a jackpot. May be time to kill that one. Or.... You could just give him to Tuco and he probably cant kill him anyway.
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Old 08-22-2016, 11:11 AM   #23
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I don't let deer like that walk any further than the nearest clearing.
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Old 08-22-2016, 11:14 AM   #24
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That's a monster.
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Old 08-22-2016, 11:19 AM   #25
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Oh my! I'm pretty sure you already have your answer. If I were in your shoes, I would have to let him walk, but I would be keeping a close eye on him. That deer wouldn't be able to crap without me knowing about it. I wonder if you could get a discount from covert if you buy 1000 cameras in bulk

In all seriousness, he would be dead if he walked in front of me, but would walk if I were in your shoes.
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Old 08-22-2016, 11:37 AM   #26
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If you have a reasonable expectation that your neighbors won't get him, and you are managing your herd pretty tight, I would be inclined to let him get to 6.5 next year. Or maybe even 7.5. Awesome buck, and good luck whatever you decide
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Old 08-22-2016, 11:49 AM   #27
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Always a gamble but on your place I would let him walk....

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Old 08-22-2016, 11:51 AM   #28
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Or.... You could just give him to Tuco and he probably cant kill him anyway.
Shots fired!!!

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Old 08-22-2016, 12:50 PM   #29
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Is this the same buck you posted pictures of last year that made a big jump from 3 to 4 that had a few drops?
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Old 08-22-2016, 01:01 PM   #30
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That's a tough one. Kill him, and someone gets the trophy of a lifetime. Let him walk, he could get even better, OR you could find him dead in the offseason. I don't know what I would do, since I've never had deer half that size, or had a management plan as strict as yours. He's a beautiful deer! Good luck on whatever you decide
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Old 08-22-2016, 01:20 PM   #31
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Incredible deer. I have a question for both of you though. I never have had any deer that have ever thrown any drop tines to speak of. We had a real pretty deer last year that had matching double drops. This year he has one small drop on his left and clean on the right. Is there a good chance that he will throw double drops again in the future? Last year they were 6-7" perfectly matching drops and this year it is probably a 2-3" drop. Can post pics for reference if you want.

Encinal, that is an incredible deer. Best of luck in whatever you decide.
My experience is that drop tines come and go. Overall we are seeing more drop tines in the last few years than ever. I can remember most of my life only dreaming to see one. Now, because of higher nutrition and better age structure they are more common on our properties.

That said we rarely see a specific buck carry a drop tines every yr. I have one on my ranch now that has had a drop tine with every rack thru his 6th year last year. Rather they seem to come and go or maybe pop up one yr. to never reappear. WE shot a 12 yr old couple yrs ago that had 6 drops. He had only had a drop tine one other time when he was 6.

Like you I'm interested in Marco's experience.
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Old 08-22-2016, 01:25 PM   #32
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I would let him walk until he get's to 7-1/2. Hopefully he gets better with age and we don't have a drought. Awesome buck
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Old 08-22-2016, 01:30 PM   #33
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Stick to you guns and let him walk.
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Old 08-22-2016, 01:33 PM   #34
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I don't understand the trepidation. You fellers need some help shooting deer.
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Old 08-22-2016, 01:38 PM   #35
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Old 08-22-2016, 01:44 PM   #36
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Beautiful deer, and that is a hard decision even under the best management plan. However knowing your history and potential, I think letting him walk and breed is the correct call. Push the limits of the deer and see what he can do, hopefully you find the sheds and can mount them.
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Old 08-22-2016, 01:44 PM   #37
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It seems like over the years on our farm in Missouri we will have pictures of bucks with drops every now and then but they almost always break them off early in the season
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Old 08-22-2016, 01:49 PM   #38
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He will never be a super - giant if you kill him when he's just a giant.

Can't wait to see pics of him next year.
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Old 08-22-2016, 01:50 PM   #39
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Having had the success and the herd acheivements that you've had in the past, I think I know where you're coming from. You start to look for certain attributes in deer that make you happy. If you would like to have a 7 drop deer on your ranch house wall, kill it. The likelyhood of it throwing that many in the future is very low, and too many factors come into play. His genes are already out there aplenty I'm sure. Will you feel guilty about the "manager" inside you not following your program if you pull the trigger?
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Old 08-22-2016, 01:56 PM   #40
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Really tough call there. He is something. I don't know anything about your place etc, hi fence, neighbors etc. Gonna be a gamble either way. I would be tempted to take him if he was all intact no, broken points etc. But if your place is hi fence & you can be pretty sure he stays with you, definitely changes the situation. Good luck with your decision.
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Old 08-22-2016, 01:57 PM   #41
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My experience is that drop tines come and go. Overall we are seeing more drop tines in the last few years than ever. I can remember most of my life only dreaming to see one. Now, because of higher nutrition and better age structure they are more common on our properties.



That said we rarely see a specific buck carry a drop tines every yr. I have one on my ranch now that has had a drop tine with every rack thru his 6th year last year. Rather they seem to come and go or maybe pop up one yr. to never reappear. WE shot a 12 yr old couple yrs ago that had 6 drops. He had only had a drop tine one other time when he was 6.



Like you I'm interested in Marco's experience.


Drops come in several varieties IMO.

Injury drops are the most common (sometimes beam droop drops as well but those aren't drops)

Mid beam drops. Generally in my experience, if a deer has a mid beam drop young and repeats it in the next year (or shows an under beam ridge) he's going to have a drop again. If a deer doesn't pop a drop until he is 6... I'm more inclined to shoot him because he is less likely to do it again.

I treat drops he same way I treat inline points. If they get them young, I'll leave them even if they lose them for a couple of years, just because I know if everything gun goes right, it will probably show back up.

Sown drops are more repeatable than others. Drops before the g-2 seem to be less repeatable for whatever reason.

I actually was expecting/hoping this deer to throw drops on his left side at some point because of his beam shape/under beam ridge line. I'm glad he did.

One of the largest values for me that no one has mentioned yet is the enjoyment of having a live deer like this running around to look at. That's a big part of it for me and my hunters. You can't afford to take every girl home from the bar, but it adds something to the experience to have a really good looking one that's a regular at the bar you go to.


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Old 08-22-2016, 01:59 PM   #42
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The deer has a 24" spread, mass from base to tip, a minimum of 18 points, AT LEAST 6 DROP TINES, ooohhhh mmmyyy ggooodneeesss! What more could you want? That deer is the Apex of what every hunters wants. I don't understand some of you fellers. The only question is, where are you gonna setup to take him?

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Old 08-22-2016, 02:04 PM   #43
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do you have pics of the old buck? cool to know!!






Low fence, non-fed native deer from the early 80's.

We have a repro of him on the wall. Can you imagine what he would have looked like on feed??? Yeesh.

Notice the flat under beam ridge?? For whatever reason, if you fine a shed like that, or see a deer with that in our country, you will see him throw drops when he gets older much of the time.



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Old 08-22-2016, 02:08 PM   #44
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Low fence, non-fed native deer from the early 80's.

We have a repro of him on the wall. Can you imagine what he would have looked like on feed??? Yeesh.

Notice the flat under beam ridge?? For whatever reason, if you fine a shed like that, or see a deer with that in our country, you will see him throw drops when he gets older much of the time.



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Wow! Truly awesome!
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Old 08-22-2016, 02:11 PM   #45
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i haven't killed a deer that big so i would kill him on my place. I'd let him walk if he lived on my property full time and if i have killed close to or bigger. Great deer
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Old 08-22-2016, 02:13 PM   #46
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I would have a heart attack if he walked out in front of me, even at the ripe age of 29. Beautiful deer, it would be nice for him to continue his genes a while longer also, but he is very unique and a shooter in my book. Tough tough decision.
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Old 08-22-2016, 02:16 PM   #47
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Walk him, tough to do but the right thing to do.
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Old 08-22-2016, 02:16 PM   #48
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I would've probably shot THAT deer at 1.5 Joking, he is a hoss!
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Old 08-22-2016, 02:26 PM   #49
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I don't know exactly what you are thinking, but IMO, if your first instinct is to let him walk, that is probably what you should do. You may have a little bit of shooter's remorse if you wack him before you truly feel like you should.
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Man, I hate those types of decisions. What a buck!
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