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Old 01-12-2018, 08:58 PM   #1
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Well I have an Allen head that broke off in the screw of my scope mount. Scope is still in the mount and I do not want to damage the scope. How do I go about removing this?
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Old 01-12-2018, 09:05 PM   #2
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You can try a left handed drill bit to get broken bolts out. You want to drill in the center of the broken screw very carefully. The heat and the left handed turning will usually work for bolts that arenít torqued or corroded. It that doesnít work you could always use an easy out or use a cutoff wheel and cut the scope mount off.
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Old 01-12-2018, 09:07 PM   #3
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Can you post a pic
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Old 01-12-2018, 09:07 PM   #4
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Not a ring expert but I don't recall having a ring cap that was threaded. If the heads broke off it should slide over it with the other screws out. What rings?
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Old 01-12-2018, 09:10 PM   #5
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You should be able to remove the rest of the screws and get the cap out of the way at which point you can probably turn broken screw out by hand, if not then with pliers.
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Old 01-12-2018, 09:28 PM   #6
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If you're not worried about the ring, drill on through the top of the bolt head with a drill bit that's at least the same diameter as the bolt, or one size up. It should pop at the end of the head and you can remove the ring, and some of the bolt should then be accessible with a pair of pliers to twist out. Same diameter drill bit (as the threaded shaft), and the ring might make it.
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Old 01-12-2018, 09:47 PM   #7
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Old 01-12-2018, 09:56 PM   #8
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I'd try an eze-out first.
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Old 01-12-2018, 10:00 PM   #9
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Just get the drill bits out and buy a new screw and the appropriate torx bits

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Old 01-12-2018, 10:03 PM   #10
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Looks like it may have rotated a bit in the seat. Iíd try a pick. Worst case you can drill a hole and try threading a small bolt into it just a bit. This may let you get enough of a bite to get it loose.
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Old 01-12-2018, 10:03 PM   #11
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Maybe with an ice pick or something with a pointy tip, tap the head in an angle the opposite direction you were turning it when it broke just to try and get it out of that bind it got in?
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Old 01-12-2018, 10:04 PM   #12
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Allen head won't work in a STAR or Torx head screw
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Old 01-12-2018, 10:07 PM   #13
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If you can get a pair of needle nose pliers in there, you may be able to turn the broken part the opposite direction you were turning it originally. Another step would be to use a center punch or chisel and hammer tovtry to tap it loose in the opposite direction you originally turned it. It should pop out pretty easily.
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Old 01-12-2018, 10:08 PM   #14
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Looks like an Allen wrench used in a torx screw. Use a pick or even a small brad or nail. Try working it the opposite direction of how you were turning when it broke. If you do get it out, discard the screw and do not reuse it.
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Old 01-12-2018, 10:13 PM   #15
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Place a smaller Allen wrench in and carefully super glue it to the bolt, let it dry and twist out the screw slowly
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Thanks for the responses. I'm gonna get after it in the morning. Will let y all know how it works out. Thanks again
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Old 01-12-2018, 10:15 PM   #17
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Just get something sharp and pop it out. Use an awl or something.
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Old 01-12-2018, 10:16 PM   #18
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Thanks for the responses. I'm gonna get after it in the morning. Will let y all know how it works out. Thanks again
Don't leave us night shifters hanging. Get busy!! :P
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Old 01-12-2018, 10:17 PM   #19
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Place a smaller Allen wrench in and carefully super glue it to the bolt, let it dry and twist out the screw slowly
Or, you know, use the right tool for the job. You can get a torx set at walmart for probably $5.
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Old 01-12-2018, 10:21 PM   #20
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Thanks for the responses. I'm gonna get after it in the morning. Will let y all know how it works out. Thanks again
You're a better man than I. If I'd had that happen to me, I wouldn't be ablessed to sleep until I had gottenough that thing out. Would drive me nuts.
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Old 01-12-2018, 10:26 PM   #21
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Use a Dremel tool and cut a slot across the top of it. Then put a slotted screw driver in and turn the screw back so it's not wedged and it should just fall out.
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Old 01-12-2018, 10:27 PM   #22
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You're a better man than I. If I'd had that happen to me, I wouldn't be ablessed to sleep until I had gottenough that thing out. Would drive me nuts.
Yes!!! Especially a Friday night!!!!
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Old 01-12-2018, 10:43 PM   #23
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That's not at all what I pictured.

There are good ideas posted
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Old 01-12-2018, 10:44 PM   #24
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Allen head won't work in a STAR or Torx head screw
My thoughts
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Old 01-13-2018, 06:45 AM   #25
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That hex key will be made of hardened tool steel so drilling it out might be tough unless you have carbide bits. Is there enough sticking above the screw head to grab with a pair of vise grips? If so, I would try to grab it and rotate it back to unwedge it. If not, try a very small chisel and try to hit the edge of the hex key like your trying to un thread it.

Then go buy some Torx keys or sockets.
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Old 01-13-2018, 06:46 AM   #26
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Use a Dremel tool and cut a slot across the top of it. Then put a slotted screw driver in and turn the screw back so it's not wedged and it should just fall out.
Or try this if you got room for the cutting wheel.
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Old 01-13-2018, 07:21 AM   #27
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I could cut through the screwswith a vibrating tool.slow n steady
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Old 01-13-2018, 07:28 AM   #28
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There are many good suggestions above. However, before trying them take all of the other bolts out and see if you can turn the scope and mounts and see if the damaged bolt will loosen.
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Old 01-13-2018, 07:43 AM   #29
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There are many good suggestions above. However, before trying them take all of the other bolts out and see if you can turn the scope and mounts and see if the damaged bolt will loosen.
Make sure to use a Torx bit on the remainder. If none of the above work, a good thrashing with a 3 pound ball peen hammer will make you feel better. :-). Good luck.
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Old 01-13-2018, 08:30 AM   #30
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As others have stated, that's a torx not allen. Your second problem is that you used the ball end of the allen to break the screw loose and it broke off. Hard lesson learned but never use the ball end to break a screw loose. We have this happen at work on occasion and the only thing that usually works is a chisel or breaking the bolt head off. In your situation you have a way of possibly saving the whole setup. Since the left over ball head is nearly impossible to drill, you could take the mount off the rifle and drill out the screw from the back side. Use a drill bit that is just smaller than the threads so you can retap the hole.
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Old 01-13-2018, 09:01 AM   #31
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You will have a hard time drilling this hardened ball. I have been successful by unjamming the ball, and using a magnet (piece of equipment it was on weighed 10k lbs so couldn't turn it upside down and shake out) to remove the ball. Destructive method would be to use a cutoff wheel between the split on the ring to cut the bolt (carefully), and replace the whole ring. And yes, get a set of torx drivers
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Old 01-13-2018, 09:14 AM   #32
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If all else fails, brake out the dramel cut off the ring, and buy new ring mounts.
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Old 01-13-2018, 09:21 AM   #33
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You might could use snap ring pliers to fit it in around the broke off head. And maybe remove the screw that way.


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Old 01-13-2018, 09:23 AM   #34
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Yup, that is the first thing I saw. He tried to use an allen wrench on a torx head screw.
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Old 01-13-2018, 10:07 AM   #35
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Grind the head so you take off the mount then grab with Pliers
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Old 01-13-2018, 10:08 AM   #36
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Thanks for the input guys. I got it out this morning.
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Note: If your Allen wrenches have a ball on the end, GRIND IT OFF!!!
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Note: If your Allen wrenches have a ball on the end, GRIND IT OFF!!!
Not. I use them on a daily basis. Just don't use the ball end to break it loose. That ball is handy.
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Not. I use them on a daily basis. Just don't use the ball end to break it loose. That ball is handy.


Yep. You ainít supposed to try to use the ball end to break something loose or crank something down with them.


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I ended up getting a tiny screw driver to dislodge it from the bind it was in and then was able to shake it out.
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