Russia - anyone else tired of hearing it

[ACCURACYINC]

Originally Posted by JFISHER

So again... where's this "collusion?"

oh, wait... there it is.

Obama tells Medvedev he will have "more flexibility" after election - YouTube

For the love of God please don't let texansfan see this.

[Ironman]

Originally Posted by ACCURACYINC

For the love of God please don't let texansfan see this.

He has been unusually quiet as of late.

[stickerpatch59]

Originally Posted by JFISHER

I'm reading he was "directed" to contact them in regards to make preparations to jointly begin doing away with ISIS/Al Queda.

I don't know why anyone would think this is a bad thing.

they can call it whatever they want.

[PVDT]

Now mueller has subpoenaed Deutche Bank to see if Trump has any Russia connections. Well would imagine he possibly does! He has property and businesses all over the world. As if it wasn't before....this is officially nothing more than a witch hunt. Everyone should watch Hannity every night to see some real FACTS...not assumptions. It's scary to see him and his guests link most of those involved to Hillary and/or the democrats. It's a travesty really.

[Clay C]

Originally Posted by PVDT

Now mueller has subpoenaed Deutche Bank to see if Trump has any Russia connections. Well would imagine he possibly does! He has property and businesses all over the world. As if it wasn't before....this is officially nothing more than a witch hunt. Everyone should watch Hannity every night to see some real FACTS...not assumptions. It's scary to see him and his guests link most of those involved to Hillary and/or the democrats. It's a travesty really.

It's been that from the beginning. They knew nothing incriminating would be found. It was simply to tarnish his image.

[Livin'2hunt]

Originally Posted by PVDT

Now mueller has subpoenaed Deutche Bank to see if Trump has any Russia connections. Well would imagine he possibly does! He has property and businesses all over the world. As if it wasn't before....this is officially nothing more than a witch hunt. Everyone should watch Hannity every night to see some real FACTS...not assumptions. It's scary to see him and his guests link most of those involved to Hillary and/or the democrats. It's a travesty really.

We are discussing people with whom facts absolutely do not matter. My wife has a friend whom I would consider is middle-of-the-road in the way she lives her life but politically speaking, she is a rabid pit bull against Conservatism and Republicans. Per a debate she and I had, her view is, "Republicans and especially, Conservatives deserve whatever happens to them whether it is true or not. I don't care if a Conservative is stricken with penis cancer, as long as he cannot vote, I'm okay with it". I asked her if she realized she was describing my wife (her friend) and I. With a straight face, she told me, "Well, learn how to vote and bad s**t won't happen to you". She could give no logic for her vicious attitude. All she could utter is, "I will always make Republicans pay no matter what".

This is whom we are dealing with. As distasteful as some of you may find it, WE have to change the dynamic of our approach. Facts, handshakes and well wishes don't defeat people like that. The only thing they understand is a bare knuckle brawl and bloody boot heels. Anyone who would wish a terminal illness upon your family and mean it lives in a different state of mind than the rest of us. We must be willing and able to utilize harsh tactics or our values WILL lose mightily in future elections. We cannot continue to permit these people to frame the debate. Never accept an unacceptable premise. Of course, we can cloak ourselves in the truth which makes the verbal assault on them so very effective. The good thing about us is, we can always return to our independent lives once that fight is won. They cannot.

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[AZST_bowhunter]

Originally Posted by Livin'2hunt

We are discussing people with whom facts absolutely do not matter. My wife has a friend whom I would consider is middle-of-the-road in the way she lives her life but politically speaking, she is a rabid pit bull against Conservatism and Republicans. Per a debate she and I had, her view is, "Republicans and especially, Conservatives deserve whatever happens to them whether it is true or not. I don't care if a Conservative is stricken with penis cancer, as long as he cannot vote, I'm okay with it". I asked her if she realized she was describing my wife (her friend) and I. With a straight face, she told me, "Well, learn how to vote and bad s**t won't happen to you". She could give no logic for her vicious attitude. All she could utter is, "I will always make Republicans pay no matter what".

This is whom we are dealing with. As distasteful as some of you may find it, WE have to change the dynamic of our approach. Facts, handshakes and well wishes don't defeat people like that. The only thing they understand is a bare knuckle brawl and bloody boot heels. Anyone who would wish a terminal illness upon your family and mean it lives in a different state of mind than the rest of us. We must be willing and able to utilize harsh tactics or our values WILL lose mightily in future elections. We cannot continue to permit these people to frame the debate. Never accept an unacceptable premise. Of course, we can cloak ourselves in the truth which makes the verbal assault on them so very effective. The good thing about us is, we can always return to our independent lives once that fight is won. They cannot.

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I have a few friends I grew up with that have turned into, my wife even has family like this that work in the DNC!! There is no sense of logic with the dems (and a lot of "republicans"). Its sad what this world has come to and it baffles me that it is Trump and his followers that get blamed.

[flywise]

Originally Posted by PVDT

Now mueller has subpoenaed Deutche Bank to see if Trump has any Russia connections. Well would imagine he possibly does! He has property and businesses all over the world. As if it wasn't before....this is officially nothing more than a witch hunt. Everyone should watch Hannity every night to see some real FACTS...not assumptions. It's scary to see him and his guests link most of those involved to Hillary and/or the democrats. It's a travesty really.

In 50-100 years the historians will write of this which hunt and conclude this entire investigation is a remarkable disgrace. Will it matter what the truth is by then, who knows but I will say that if they somehow remove Trump they will regret the consequences I have a feeling. This gov. May very well be just as corrupt as every other two bit banana republic on earth today.

[Clay C]

Originally Posted by PVDT

Now mueller has subpoenaed Deutche Bank to see if Trump has any Russia connections. Well would imagine he possibly does! He has property and businesses all over the world. As if it wasn't before....this is officially nothing more than a witch hunt. Everyone should watch Hannity every night to see some real FACTS...not assumptions. It's scary to see him and his guests link most of those involved to Hillary and/or the democrats. It's a travesty really.

Also, I was assured by people smarter than me (they've told me so) that reaching out to foreign governments for information is treason. Is Mueller going to investigate himself now?

[Bill in San Jose]

Flynn plead guilty to the same anti-Trump FBI agent that Cheryl Mills and Huma Abedin (Clinton top staffers) also lied to.

I’m sick of this.


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[Livin'2hunt]

Originally Posted by flywise

In 50-100 years the historians will write of this which hunt and conclude this entire investigation is a remarkable disgrace. Will it matter what the truth is by then, who knows but I will say that if they somehow remove Trump they will regret the consequences I have a feeling. This gov. May very well be just as corrupt as every other two bit banana republic on earth today.

Again, truth only matters to us. We're battling people who believe, the "seriousness of the charge" is enough.

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[batmaninja]

#chicagopolitics

[JFISHER]

Originally Posted by Livin'2hunt

Again, truth only matters to us. We're battling people who believe, the "seriousness of the charge" is enough.

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Except of course, when the charges are lobbed at Hillary or any other dem.

[JFISHER]

Originally Posted by Livin'2hunt

We are discussing people with whom facts absolutely do not matter. My wife has a friend whom I would consider is middle-of-the-road in the way she lives her life but politically speaking, she is a rabid pit bull against Conservatism and Republicans. Per a debate she and I had, her view is, "Republicans and especially, Conservatives deserve whatever happens to them whether it is true or not. I don't care if a Conservative is stricken with penis cancer, as long as he cannot vote, I'm okay with it". I asked her if she realized she was describing my wife (her friend) and I. With a straight face, she told me, "Well, learn how to vote and bad s**t won't happen to you". She could give no logic for her vicious attitude. All she could utter is, "I will always make Republicans pay no matter what".

This is whom we are dealing with. As distasteful as some of you may find it, WE have to change the dynamic of our approach. Facts, handshakes and well wishes don't defeat people like that. The only thing they understand is a bare knuckle brawl and bloody boot heels. Anyone who would wish a terminal illness upon your family and mean it lives in a different state of mind than the rest of us. We must be willing and able to utilize harsh tactics or our values WILL lose mightily in future elections. We cannot continue to permit these people to frame the debate. Never accept an unacceptable premise. Of course, we can cloak ourselves in the truth which makes the verbal assault on them so very effective. The good thing about us is, we can always return to our independent lives once that fight is won. They cannot.

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[JFISHER]

Originally Posted by PVDT

Now mueller has subpoenaed Deutche Bank to see if Trump has any Russia connections. Well would imagine he possibly does! He has property and businesses all over the world. As if it wasn't before....this is officially nothing more than a witch hunt. Everyone should watch Hannity every night to see some real FACTS...not assumptions. It's scary to see him and his guests link most of those involved to Hillary and/or the democrats. It's a travesty really.

and of course the witch hunt is being "formalized" and given "credence" by their water carrying "news" media.... see ABCs Brian Ross.

They know all that is necessary is to say it on the air, during the "news" then it becomes truth.

[Charles]

This whole ordeal gives new meaning to fluster cuck

[Clay C]

Originally Posted by PVDT

Now mueller has subpoenaed Deutche Bank to see if Trump has any Russia connections. Well would imagine he possibly does! He has property and businesses all over the world. As if it wasn't before....this is officially nothing more than a witch hunt. Everyone should watch Hannity every night to see some real FACTS...not assumptions. It's scary to see him and his guests link most of those involved to Hillary and/or the democrats. It's a travesty really.

Now seems that the reports of the subpoena to the Deutche Bank has been verified as false. In other words.....MORE FAKE NEWS!

[Lostacresranch]

Originally Posted by JFISHER

Except of course, when the charges are lobbed at Hillary or any other dem.

As long as RUSSIA was a trump problem, the Dems were pushing it as if it was the holy grail to get trump out. Now, with the info that the Dems PAID Russians to create the fake dossier on trump, then Got the media to promote it, they want to focus on "issues". Hypocrites.

[flywise]

http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2017...-so-proud.html

[JFISHER]

Originally Posted by Lostacresranch

As long as RUSSIA was a trump problem, the Dems were pushing it as if it was the holy grail to get trump out. Now, with the info that the Dems PAID Russians to create the fake dossier on trump, then Got the media to promote it, they want to focus on "issues". Hypocrites.

Speaking of the fake dossier... why doesn't the rule : "Fruit of the Poisonous Tree" apply in this case (Flynn in particular)?

Considering the FISA warrants were issued based ON that debunked dossier, any evidence discovered would then ITSELF be tainted.

Fruit of the poisonous tree is a legal metaphor in the United States used to describe evidence that is obtained illegally.[1] The logic of the terminology is that if the source (the "tree") of the evidence or evidence itself is tainted, then anything gained (the "fruit") from it is tainted as well.

[J Sweet]

Originally Posted by Clay C

Now seems that the reports of the subpoena to the Deutche Bank has been verified as false. In other words.....MORE FAKE NEWS!

Just saw that, hilarious.

[Livin'2hunt]

Where are the defenders on our side? What about Obama on an open mic telling the Russian dude, "Tell Vladmir, after the election, I will have more latitude...". If that isn't collusion, I don't know what is.

[BrandonA]

The more they try to uncover **** on Trump the more they uncover and expose **** on themselves and Clinton.

[JFISHER]

Originally Posted by Livin'2hunt

Again, truth only matters to us. We're battling people who believe, the "seriousness of the charge" is enough.

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Livin'2hunt
Your PMs are full.

[PVDT]

Originally Posted by Clay C

Also, I was assured by people smarter than me (they've told me so) that reaching out to foreign governments for information is treason. Is Mueller going to investigate himself now?

Well no disrespect and sure hope they aren't relatives but those saying that they are smarter than you are FOOLS. It absolutely isn't illegal or treasonous. Every single incoming administration does it...as they should. Even obama's people said they had no problem with it. It's on video and a matter of public record.

[Clay C]

Originally Posted by PVDT

Well no disrespect and sure hope they aren't relatives but those saying that they are smarter than you are FOOLS. It absolutely isn't illegal or treasonous. Every single incoming administration does it...as they should. Even obama's people said they had no problem with it. It's on video and a matter of public record.

I was being sarcastic bud.


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[JFISHER]

Shocking Trump/Russia Investigation Corruption Exposed | True News - YouTube

[Bill in San Jose]

I was driving to a customer meeting with 2 liberal co-workers. Our engineering manager (a middle age woman, great at her job) somehow got into the Facebook false advertising and the election.

I asked her how many Bernie supporters, ****** off because Clinton colluded with the DNC voted for Trump as a result? Or how many Clinton supporters saw videos of her having facial spasms or falling down and decided to vote for Trump? Millions? Enough to affect the election?

..... she changed the subject.


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[Chew]

Originally Posted by Bill in San Jose

I was driving to a customer meeting with 2 liberal co-workers. Our engineering manager (a middle age woman, great at her job) somehow got into the Facebook false advertising and the election.

I asked her how many Bernie supporters, ****** off because Clinton colluded with the DNC voted for Trump as a result? Or how many Clinton supporters saw videos of her having facial spasms or falling down and decided to vote for Trump? Millions? Enough to affect the election?

..... she changed the subject.


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Awesome

[Bill in San Jose]

It’s hard to keep them on-topic and discuss one point/issue to completion without whirling like a dervish onto some other Huffington Post sound bite. Then add feelings.


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[Man]

Originally Posted by Bill in San Jose

It’s hard to keep them on-topic and discuss one point/issue to completion without whirling like a dervish onto some other Huffington Post sound bite. Then add feelings.


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How do you do it....honestly? How do you not go crazy living in the land of disfuntion?

[Bill in San Jose]

It’s like anything else- you get used to it. Except all the nonsense gun laws.


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[Bill in San Jose]

I need to keep this meme handy the next time they gloat about Judge Moore’s loss in Alabama. Or he has not conceded yet I read.





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[flywise]

Originally Posted by Bill in San Jose

I need to keep this meme handy the next time they gloat about Judge Moore’s loss in Alabama. Or he has not conceded yet I read.





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Yes sir, that's my whole issue with the judge. He attempts to rape you, handles your divorce then 40 years later come out of the wood work with this type of accusation...........i ain't got time for that