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Old 04-10-2017, 09:09 PM   #101
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And your stance the way it works is wrong 100%.
Exactly. If ANYONE can defend this sort of treatment of a law abiding citizen is providing insight into their own character. No matter if it is in writing or not, good people shouldn't be treated like that. If profit is the excuse, what about the plans of the passenger? He may have saved YEARS for that flight or may be going to see a dying relative. If only dollars matter, you're a sorry excuse of a man.
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Old 04-10-2017, 09:12 PM   #102
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Same here. Status rules everything and if it did happen I would have had concierge calling, points, etc without ever asking.


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Exactly...walk out the tunnel...grab new ticket @ the doorway, go eat a free meal & boogie on down to the next flights gate, hop on amazon & use my free gift card for more unneeded hunting stuff...lol
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Old 04-10-2017, 09:12 PM   #103
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The other question is this. If it was you getting screwed and kicked off, how would you handle it?

A) be understandably mad, argue your case then leave peaceably swearing to never fly with them again. Write letters of complaint, blog about it and tell everyone you know.
B) lay on the floor and act like a toddler throwing a fit at WalMart because MeeMaw won't by you gummy bears

Have some self respect dude.


I asked myself this today when I first heard about this. Pretty much came to the conclusion that I would choose A. I can't image how ****** I would be if it happened to me but to go limp and have to be dragged out is a little much. Maybe he saw $$$ and acted like a little ***** to help his case later but either way, bad deal all around. I already hate United, they have screwed me over several times and I have vowed to never fly them again way before this incident. I just hope others follow suit.


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Old 04-10-2017, 09:16 PM   #104
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Exactly. If ANYONE can defend this sort of treatment of a law abiding citizen is providing insight into their own character. No matter if it is in writing or not, good people shouldn't be treated like that. If profit is the excuse, what about the plans of the passenger? He may have saved YEARS for that flight or may be going to see a dying relative. If only dollars matter, you're a sorry excuse of a man.
You people are missing the pitch...what part about entering into a contract (contract of carriage in this instance)then refusing to honor the obligation to that contract do you NOT get? B/c that is exactly what the man did!

Yes, it should have happened before boarding started, but that's not always possible. It's not united's fault he didn't read/refused to live up to his end of the contract...good grief Charlie Brown
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He was low ticket price on the plane, with no status...right/wrong or indifferent...he's it....before he checked in/after, before boarding/after doesn't matter...it's not like they randomly selected the guy...lol

& he better hope he doesn't have a frequent flier # he booked with...lol
Regardless of who's right or wrong you have shown your true colors and that's a good thing.
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Old 04-10-2017, 09:20 PM   #106
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Regardless of who's right or wrong you have shown your true colors and that's a good thing.
BS! He is simply stating the way it works. Not his rules.
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Old 04-10-2017, 09:20 PM   #107
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Regardless of who's right or wrong you have shown your true colors and that's a good thing.
Appreciate it...I try hard to live up to the commitments i make personally & professionally...be that via a handshake or contract of carriage!! I always try to do what i say i'm gunna or offer a dang good reason why I can't

Now be a good boy & get your facts together before you chastise something/someone you obviously know little about!

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Old 04-10-2017, 09:22 PM   #108
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The other question is this. If it was you getting screwed and kicked off, how would you handle it?

A) be understandably mad, argue your case then leave peaceably swearing to never fly with them again. Write letters of complaint, blog about it and tell everyone you know.
B) lay on the floor and act like a toddler throwing a fit at WalMart because MeeMaw won't by you gummy bears

Have some self respect dude.
That's pretty easy for you to say, sitting in the comfort of your own home.
Until you wind up in that guy's situation. I'm pretty sure you wouldn't be quite so calm, collected, or.......smug
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Old 04-10-2017, 09:23 PM   #109
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I asked myself this today when I first heard about this. Pretty much came to the conclusion that I would choose A. I can't image how ****** I would be if it happened to me but to go limp and have to be dragged out is a little much. Maybe he saw $$$ and acted like a little ***** to help his case later but either way, bad deal all around. I already hate United, they have screwed me over several times and I have vowed to never fly them again way before this incident. I just hope others follow suit.


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watch the other video from another angle. The cops slammed his head into a metal arm rest and he went limp

see the second video: https://twitter.com/i/moments/851423833160634368

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Old 04-10-2017, 09:26 PM   #110
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BS! He is simply stating the way it works. Not his rules.
That's not the way it works or at least with my experiences.
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Old 04-10-2017, 09:28 PM   #111
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That's not the way it works or at least with my experiences.
Then you obviously are in need of more experience...lol

Poor guy even got harrassed by the popo...guess they're in cahoots with united...lol...poor lil feller had a bad day...all brought on by his stupidity...

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That's not the way it works or at least with my experiences.
So you're trashing a mans character based on your experience with flying on an airplane? Gotcha.
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Appreciate it...I try hard to live up to the commitments i make personally & professionally...be that via a handshake or contract of carriage!! I always try to do what i say i'm gunna or offer a dang good reason why I can't

Now be a good boy & get your facts together before you chastise something/someone you obviously know little about!
Whatever dude... Go fly your million miles
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So you're trashing a mans character based on your experience with flying on an airplane? Gotcha.
I'm not trashing anything
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Whatever dude... Go fly your million miles
Wanna buy some got plenty...with a guarantee you won't get kicked off a flight for being stupid like the other lil feller.
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No comment. If I did would be sent to the cooler. Hang in there Brandon.
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Old 04-10-2017, 09:36 PM   #117
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watch the other video from another angle. The cops slammed his head into a metal arm rest and he went limp

see the second video: https://twitter.com/i/moments/851423833160634368


I've seen it. Had he hit his head or not, he was still going to be dragged off that plane like a child. Unlike most of us who would have been irate but acted like a human being and got up and walked off and got our payback later. Like I said, either way it's a horrible deal. He probably will get paid for this and I'm fine with that. I would probably get a voucher of some sort and not have a video of me being dragged off a plane like a child throwing a tantrum.


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Old 04-10-2017, 09:39 PM   #118
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And your stance the way it works is wrong 100%.
He's right. Read page 42 from the link he posted.

Typical tbh....lots of guys with a strong opinion but ignore the facts

No opinion on the video yet b/c I havent watched it.


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Wanna buy some got plenty...with a guarantee you won't get kicked off a flight for being stupid like the other lil feller.
My point is what happened shouldn't have happened. You have
This entitled mentality and so be it. I've been bumped on flights and accomidated when I could. United handled it wrong
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Old 04-10-2017, 09:40 PM   #120
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No comment. If I did would be sent to the cooler. Hang in there Brandon.
This. But I will bet we get reminded at least one more time, or two or three that someone has a million miles.
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Old 04-10-2017, 09:41 PM   #121
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Wanna buy some got plenty...with a guarantee you won't get kicked off a flight for being stupid like the other lil feller.
Wait wait wait... what did he do that was stupid to get kicked off the plane? Nothing... he was "randomly" picked...

Now you're just acting like an ***..
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Wait wait wait... what did he do that was stupid to get kicked off the plane? Nothing... he was "randomly" picked...

Now you're just acting like an ***..
He is an ***.
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He's right. Read page 42 from the link he posted.

Typical tbh....lots of guys with a strong opinion but ignore the factsAttachment 849805
The way it works and what is written is different.
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The other question is this. If it was you getting screwed and kicked off, how would you handle it?

A) be understandably mad, argue your case then leave peaceably swearing to never fly with them again. Write letters of complaint, blog about it and tell everyone you know.
B) lay on the floor and act like a toddler throwing a fit at WalMart because MeeMaw won't by you gummy bears

Have some self respect dude.
And option A that gives one self respect gets him zero, not even satisfaction. Option B is childish but the squeaky wheel gets the grease. Yes it's stupid but true.
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Typically, a last minute deadheading crew is headed to cover a flight with no crew coverage. Although it was handled poorly, especially by the LEO, I think we can all agree that 4 people not getting on their flight (and being re-booked and compensated for it) is a better customer service decision than canceling a flight with 150-300 people on it.
If it was a crew that was deadheading, I can guarantee you that a deadhead that early in the day meant they were going to work a flight that same day.

But you don't have to take my word for it, I just do it for a living... ;-)


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Old 04-10-2017, 09:45 PM   #126
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Wait wait wait... what did he do that was stupid to get kicked off the plane? Nothing... he was "randomly" picked...

Now you're just acting like an ***..
Ok...go ask united if they "randomly" select folks when over sold ...again...i'll wait...i'll save u some time...THEY DON'T...there is a matrix each airline uses to determine who gets booted based on ticket price, status, etc..it is anything but random...in fact, most are very logical...spend more with us ...u safe...pay $2500 when guy next to u pays $250...u safe!
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My point is what happened shouldn't have happened. You have
This entitled mentality and so be it. I've been bumped on flights and accomidated when I could. United handled it wrong
That's my thought. Regardless of what the contract says I think United could've handled it better. I've flown ALOT with almost all airlines and the worst part about it was getting stuck next to people who wanted to compare mileage and look down on anyone who didn't live in the air.
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The way it works and what is written is different.
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Old 04-10-2017, 09:47 PM   #129
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Thats not overbooked, thats a bump.

You guys are hard, you know darn well you pay your hard earned money to get abused by pussnuts airlines, do what you are told.

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Ok, .......got a little more info.
Flight overbooked by 4 people. They needed 4 seat for United employees that needed to get to another hub. United went in and chose 4 folks to leave the flight. The guy was a doctor needing to get to Louisville to see patients in the morning....oops.......bad move!!!! This wont end well for United Airlines.
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My point is what happened shouldn't have happened. You have
This entitled mentality and so be it. I've been bumped on flights and accomidated when I could. United handled it wrong
I'm entitled to anything but getting kicked off after you...why...b/c i fly more, spend more, am generally a better customer than you are...no more/no less

& yes..it should have happened due to capacity constraints & yes he should be compensated per the terms of the contract he was party to...no more/no less

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The way it works and what is written is different.
Lol! Well then, that changes everything.
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Whatever dude... Go fly your million miles


Heck, I did just shy of a million last year alone... but, I work 10 hour days in the air 22-25 days a month... and for some reason, they don't give you miles when you are working it instead of buying tickets.


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Right or wrong, and I personally think the Airline was completely out of line, when the number hit $800.00 I'd of been enjoying a night on the town in Chicago on United.
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He's right. Read page 42 from the link he posted.

Typical tbh....lots of guys with a strong opinion but ignore the facts

No opinion on the video yet b/c I havent watched it.


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Problem is that the customer was already boarded and sitting in his seat. Hard to "deny boarding" when the boarding already happened.
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It does what its told

It rubs the lotion on its skin or it gets the hose again
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Problem is that the customer was already boarded and sitting in his seat. Hard to "deny boarding" when the boarding already happened.
Although it hasn't been stated & I haven't heard...i suspect there was an asset change from what they booked & seat count changed & they didn't catch the conflict before boarding happened...it happens & when it does they are technically "oversold" & covered by their policy on such...sometimes it's missed completely until 2 ppl show up@ the seat both with a boarding pass for that seat
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In all honesty....it was worse before 9-11...port pass, tsa-pre, global entry programs have taken away some of the airline "discretion" in putting their rules/contracts in action...esp true of international travel

I have literally sat on a flight where they removed the passenger (at the passenger's request), but refused to de-plane that passenger's carry-on bag....needless to say...i requested to be de-planed & rebooked
Man amigo, I was never a heavy flyer ever, but I most certainly flew way more before 9-11 that after...I was always treated like I actually gave them $$$.

Since then, albeit little...I feel like I'm just part of the cattle being herded.


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In regards to your bet, it's flawed...the lawyer fees that have already likely started surpass what they offered in vouchers. I personally don't think the guy will take anything with no attny's involved. They do not want to take this to court.

Fox just showed a clip of a vid of someone yelling out to the crew member who was getting this guys spot "just drive, it's 4 hours" whether this is factual or not doesn't matter. The damage done is horrible & there is simply NO WAY you can say this will not cost United more than the voucher offered.

Again, the flight cancellations happening now...the continued losses starting tomorrow for those just catching on, etc is going to be painful. The doc dragged off will most indeed get some jack beyond the voucher & United is already sorry for the situation due to loss in revenue.

I don't give a crap about proving it, but to think otherwise that this guy won't get more than what united originally offered?? Really??
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Problem is that the customer was already boarded and sitting in his seat. Hard to "deny boarding" when the boarding already happened.
He was also instructed by the flight crew to unboard the aircraft.
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Lol! Well then, that changes everything.
There's the right thing to do and wrong thing to do regardless of miles you have flown or the money you spend. Simple as that
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It does what its told

It rubs the lotion on its skin or it gets the hose again
Problem with authority much?
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Problem is that the customer was already boarded and sitting in his seat. Hard to "deny boarding" when the boarding already happened.


Denied boarding is the term used for anyone not allowed to leave with the aircraft. If a passenger is found to be Intoxicated before we take off, he or she is "denied boarding". If a passenger is irrational and causing a scene while taxiing to the runway, we go back and they are "denied boarding".


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The problem is, the old guy thought his opinion mattered
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Man amigo, I was never a heavy flyer ever, but I most certainly flew way more before 9-11 that after...I was always treated like I actually gave them $$$.

Since then, albeit little...I feel like I'm just part of the cattle being herded.


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In regards to your bet, it's flawed...the lawyer fees that have already likely started surpass what they offered in vouchers. I personally don't think the guy will take anything with no attny's involved. They do not want to take this to court.

Fox just showed a clip of a vid of someone yelling out to the crew member who was getting this guys spot "just drive, it's 4 hours" whether this is factual or not doesn't matter. The damage done is horrible & there is simply NO WAY you can say this will not cost United more than the voucher offered.

Again, the flight cancellations happening now...the continued losses starting tomorrow for those just catching on, etc is going to be painful. The doc dragged off will most indeed get some jack beyond the voucher & United is already sorry for the situation due to loss in revenue.

I don't give a crap about proving it, but to think otherwise that this guy won't get more than what united originally offered?? Really??
I am too & rarely say anything...even when i should...but when some cracker puts a bag on a plane & then gets off that plane with the bag still there...my arse is getting off the that plane...lol.

I seriously doubt he gets anything other than what he got today...it would he surprising if he did

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Old 04-10-2017, 10:01 PM   #144
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For $800, I'd do a lot of things


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There's the right thing to do and wrong thing to do regardless of miles you have flown or the money you spend. Simple as that
No argument there. The right thing to do is get off the plane, and deal with it later. Kind of like dealing in court, not on the street with a LEO. When it comes to aircraft, these are federal laws, not state laws or city ordinance.
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There's the right thing to do and wrong thing to do regardless of miles you have flown or the money you spend. Simple as that
Something to be said for honoring your end of a contract too...but hey...if you have a more fair way of keeping everyone who books a flight happy, based on your vast experience...you should hit up the airlines...i'm sure they'd love to hear your ideas that a room full of people paid to do just that have never thought of...lol

While you're at it...do a lil think'n on upgrade selection & give'm the 411 on that too b/c it sucks the way it is...lol

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Old 04-10-2017, 10:20 PM   #147
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This thread delivers!

Id like to fly with the one feller (not the one kicked off), drink and BS the entire flight!

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Old 04-10-2017, 10:21 PM   #148
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Problem is once your butt hits the seat, then the game changes for folks in their mind...this should have been handled before they all boarded. Leave it in the lobby/gate. Good gosh, can't someone freak'n count??

It was really stupid of them to not keep upping the offer till someone bit. Man, if I owned an airline there would have been a cash offer starting at $100 & bumped up $100 every minute till someone accepted. Keep going at the accepted number till the number needed are off the plane. Everyone is happy & life goes on.
This ^^^
I fly about 60-70 flights a year and have never "actually boarded" a plane where someone was asked to give up a seat and de-plane due to over booking. That should have (and always has) been addressed prior to boarding. It's very common for airlines to over book and ask folks to give up a seat...but deal with that before butts get in seats. And I also agree with Paul that United should have continued to up the ante until the $ voucher influenced a "willing" party.

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The other question is this. If it was you getting screwed and kicked off, how would you handle it?

A) be understandably mad, argue your case then leave peaceably swearing to never fly with them again. Write letters of complaint, blog about it and tell everyone you know.
B) lay on the floor and act like a toddler throwing a fit at WalMart because MeeMaw won't by you gummy bears

Have some self respect dude.
Come on jerp....B is how we do things nowadays. How else you gonna rack up 6 million views on YouTube?
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Old 04-10-2017, 10:29 PM   #149
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lol...it wasnt even for United's employees
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Old 04-10-2017, 10:32 PM   #150
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Wasn't overbooking of a flight though... they were kicking paying passengers off to transport another crew...

That said... me, personally... I'd have taken the $ compensation, gotten a refund of my ticket cost and drove myself home if it was that important I make it home to see patients... I'm guessing he still didn't make it for that...
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