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Old 11-03-2008, 02:01 PM   #1
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I've been looking over my Public Hunting Lands Map Booklet to identify bowhuning opportunities and I noticed these two units in Newton County. Unit 122 is over 20,000 acres and Unit 125 is over 7,000 acres. Most importantly, both allow deer hunting and hog hunting with archery equipment only...NO Firearms.

Do any of you know anything about these areas? I haven't been out there yet, but it looks like it's timber company land managed by TPWD. I'm wondering what the deer herd is like and how tough the hunting would be. It seems like alot of land for bowhunting only, so maybe it's not so heavily pressured.
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Old 11-03-2008, 10:00 PM   #2
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From what I hear the poaching is really bad out that way, its practically in LA.
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Old 11-07-2008, 04:53 PM   #3
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Havent gone and looked at it yet.......

Its right down the road from my lease, so I need to go check it out.

Drove by and didnt see any one parked on the roads yesterday.
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Old 11-25-2008, 06:54 PM   #4
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The reason those two areas are bowhunting only is because of the poaching with dogs. It was the only way they could stop the dogs. It still gets poached, but it has been cut down. There are some really good deer that come out of there that are not advertised for ob reasons. I had a lease just 2 miles from there for 18 yrs.
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Old 11-25-2008, 07:18 PM   #5
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The reason those two areas are bowhunting only is because of the poaching with dogs. It was the only way they could stop the dogs. It still gets poached, but it has been cut down. There are some really good deer that come out of there that are not advertised for ob reasons. I had a lease just 2 miles from there for 18 yrs.
So what do they do now use dogs with bows,? LOL. East texas trips me out, texas outlawed chasing deer with dogs way back in 1990.
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Old 12-13-2008, 07:03 PM   #6
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I know a person who hunted the 20,000 acres this year, he said it was hard hunting but worth the 48 dollars for the permit. He said he hunted several times and saw deer just about every sit. He also told me that everytime they went hunting he never saw anyone else hunting at the same time. So give it a try you never can tell.
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Old 07-07-2013, 11:27 PM   #7
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Last post on this thread was in 2008. Has there been anyone hunt this unit since then? I been thinking about giving it a try this season.
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Old 07-07-2013, 11:58 PM   #8
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Ya'll stay out of my huntin area! There are no deer in East Texas!...lol J/K Actually unit 122is the heart of some of my prime time hunting area.

There definitely are some nice bucks around, but they are mostly pine farm bucks that tend to have fairly wide travel patterns. The unit is split by hwy 87. The east side has some nice "canyon" country, but besides that it is mostly pine farms and clearcuts. Locating a funnels through these pine farms is what it most of the hunting revolves around.

It would be good to look at the topo maps and satellite photos of the areas before you head out to scout. mapper.acme.com
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Also, the maps in the Public Hunting books are inaccurate and the Parks and Wildlife people couldn't care less. They are off about 200 yards. When you study the maps, look where the power lines and pipelines cross the roads, and such. You will see that these will give you fales bearings and increase chances of getting on private land. Watch for blue/purple paint lines.

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Old 07-08-2013, 09:04 AM   #9
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Thanks! That is some good info. Appreciate you passing it along. The east side of hwy 87 was the first area I plan to check out but do you know anything about the land west of hwy 87? Especially around the north area of the airport?
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Old 07-08-2013, 10:41 AM   #10
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I had a lease out that way years ago. Lots of great deer during archery season, but when gun season starts its over with.
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Old 07-08-2013, 10:56 AM   #11
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Also, the maps in the Public Hunting books are inaccurate and the Parks and Wildlife people couldn't care less.
And how did you come up with that statement? TPWD takes great stride in their efforts to make sure those lands are signed correctly and/or if they are inaccurate by any means (those properties have been reduced by the timber company over the years, it should be sent to the District Leader office for that area.

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Old 07-08-2013, 02:11 PM   #12
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Well I can't say that the maps are inaccurate since I haven't stepped foot on any of the properties yet, but judging from the maps in last years book I would like to see TP&W put a little better and more detailed map in the APH book. That would probably drive up costs though. An alternative would be to have more detailed available for each unit that would be available for purchase. That way someone could buy the maps of only the areas their interested in.
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Old 07-08-2013, 02:14 PM   #13
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Check out the canyons on FM 1414
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Old 07-08-2013, 02:23 PM   #14
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Thanks. Will do. Is it pretty steep and rugged?
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Old 07-08-2013, 02:25 PM   #15
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Thanks. Will do. Is it pretty steep and rugged?
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Give me a call, we can get together and I'll show you some of that area
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Old 07-08-2013, 02:31 PM   #16
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Man that's nice of you. When's a good time for you? I'm not in a real big rush but I'm available pretty much anytime. ( at least for now)
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Old 07-08-2013, 02:38 PM   #17
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Don't forget the Blue Elbow swamp, it's in your backyard and full of hogs
Are you retired ? My free time varies, A/C work does allow for fitting scouting trips into my schedule
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Old 07-08-2013, 02:41 PM   #18
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Well I'm sort of retired! I was career military. Now I'm a full time student at LIT.
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Old 07-08-2013, 02:42 PM   #19
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Old 07-08-2013, 04:22 PM   #20
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Well I'm sort of retired! I was career military. Now I'm a full time student at LIT.
Are you taking summer classes ? I can meet up with you for lunch one day this week if you want.
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Old 07-08-2013, 05:28 PM   #21
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Are you taking summer classes ? I can meet up with you for lunch one day this week if you want.
Well I just finished the summer 1 session today, and am not taking any for the summer 2 sessions. I will go back in aug for the fall semester. But we can still meet up pretty much anytime.
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Old 07-08-2013, 05:31 PM   #22
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Well I just finished the summer 1 session today, and am not taking any for the summer 2 sessions. I will go back in aug for the fall semester. But we can still meet up pretty much anytime.
Sounds good, give me a call if you get out and about tomorrow.
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Old 07-09-2013, 11:27 AM   #23
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Thanks. Will do. Is it pretty steep and rugged?
There are no deer in SE TX....much less public landHunted Type II for years.
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Old 07-09-2013, 04:27 PM   #24
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And how did you come up with that statement? TPWD takes great stride in their efforts to make sure those lands are signed correctly and/or if they are inaccurate by any means (those properties have been reduced by the timber company over the years, it should be sent to the District Leader office for that area.

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Because I called them and explained the situation. They stated that it was a general guideline. The older Public Hunting books were accurate, but the last 7-8 years, not so much.
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Old 07-09-2013, 04:42 PM   #25
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Thanks! That is some good info. Appreciate you passing it along. The east side of hwy 87 was the first area I plan to check out but do you know anything about the land west of hwy 87? Especially around the north area of the airport?
Well Marshman, I haven't hunted exactly in that spot, but I have drove through the area on the road with the hunters camp. There is quit a lot of the pine farms that have just been thinned out and just to the north of that is where Quicksand creek is coming through. There has got to be a big buck in there, but it will test your skills in finding him and then putting him on the wall!
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Old 07-10-2013, 07:26 AM   #26
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Yea I figure its regular old EastTx hunting, thick, tough, lots of skeeters and long hours on stand with little to no deer sightings.

Not saying there no deer or no good bucks, there just very, very smart!
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Old 07-10-2013, 09:20 AM   #27
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Because I called them and explained the situation. They stated that it was a general guideline. The older Public Hunting books were accurate, but the last 7-8 years, not so much.
Reason being, the Campbell Group is reducing those units little by little every few years, and we try our best to get the new boundaries signed as soon as accurate upon their boundary lines as possible.
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Old 07-10-2013, 10:14 AM   #28
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Reason being, the Campbell Group is reducing those units little by little every few years, and we try our best to get the new boundaries signed as soon as accurate upon their boundary lines as possible.
Why are they being reduced? Is the Campbell Group trying to eventually phase them all out? I would guess its because they can get more $$ by leasing them out to individuals.
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Old 07-10-2013, 11:15 AM   #29
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Campbell is reducing those tracts to the public for APH hunters and yes, they can get more money from leasing to groups and individuals than through the program.
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Old 07-11-2013, 08:36 AM   #30
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That's what I figured. Kind of a shame. The almighty dollar wins out again. Guess by the time I have grandkids old enough to hunt, the national forest may be all the public land left.
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Old 07-11-2013, 11:38 PM   #31
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So looking at last years APH booklet, it appears that on this bow only tract that it is legal to harvest a doe anytime during the season not just only during "doe days'. Is this true? Am I reading that right?
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Old 07-11-2013, 11:43 PM   #32
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Yep, you are reading it correct. You can shoot a doe all season,until your tags are gone, but you can shoot only one antlered buck.
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Old 07-12-2013, 10:16 AM   #33
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That is good then, least you have a decent chance at getting some venison of the table.
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Just thought i'd get this thread back going. I was able to harvest a nice 133" 8 point out at #122. I just started bow hunting this past year and got him on Nov. 5th. Anyone else that hunts out there want to share a couple of spots, please let me know. This is my new main hunting spot all hunting season since i no longer have a rifle. Sold it to get all the bow gear i needed.

I tried to post a picture of it but since this is my first post, it wouldn't let me. I'll post it once i get the ability to.
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Old 04-26-2017, 12:23 PM   #35
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So have any of you guys seen any turkey out there. I hunted down that way years ago and never saw or heard anything and have been hunting them to the north on the Sabine ever since.

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Just thought i'd get this thread back going. I was able to harvest a nice 133" 8 point out at #122. I just started bow hunting this past year and got him on Nov. 5th. Anyone else that hunts out there want to share a couple of spots, please let me know. This is my new main hunting spot all hunting season since i no longer have a rifle. Sold it to get all the bow gear i needed.

I tried to post a picture of it but since this is my first post, it wouldn't let me. I'll post it once i get the ability to.
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Old 04-26-2017, 01:44 PM   #36
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I was wondering that too. I'd like to get out there and put a gobbler down. I put in about 80-100 hours in the stand last deer season and never saw a turkey granted i wasn't in a spot that was very good for turkey.
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Old 04-26-2017, 02:46 PM   #37
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I have seen turkey tracks there, but never the bird. This was 3 years ago


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Old 04-26-2017, 02:47 PM   #38
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This is them:



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Old 05-28-2017, 05:39 PM   #39
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Wow I think I saw the same also same time frame. I ended up doing Big Thicket NPS this past season for hogs/deer since its cheaper and closer for me.

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Old 06-30-2017, 08:24 AM   #40
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I scouted the area a bit last season but never got a chance to get out there and hunt. I hunt mainly around Pineland. Was out there a few weeks ago (pineland) and saw Turkey where I've never seen them before. Would like to get out to Newton some this year, the one spot I found last year that looked promising I could tell was already going to be occupied come deer season so I backed out.
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