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Old 08-08-2016, 02:57 PM   #151
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filled out all my applications last night, went for more than i have any other year...hopefully i'll get selected for some type of exotic or mule deer hunt this year.

Does anyone have an answer to what happens if you get drawn and are unable to attend? do you decline the hunt and keep your points or do you start at zero and miss the hunt (in the event of getting drawn for 2 hunts at the same time in 2 different locations)
You lose the points. Happened to me three years ago when I drew Archery Mule Deer and Archery WT the same week.
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Old 08-08-2016, 03:57 PM   #152
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Everyone on the first draw already send in permit fees, maybe?
Mine says Pending 2nd Draw
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Old 08-08-2016, 04:10 PM   #153
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Old 08-08-2016, 06:23 PM   #154
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filled out all my applications last night, went for more than i have any other year...hopefully i'll get selected for some type of exotic or mule deer hunt this year.

Does anyone have an answer to what happens if you get drawn and are unable to attend? do you decline the hunt and keep your points or do you start at zero and miss the hunt (in the event of getting drawn for 2 hunts at the same time in 2 different locations)
You'll loose your points. That's about the only good thing about the new system.
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Old 08-10-2016, 10:30 AM   #155
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Archery deer deadline today. I got eight areas I applied for. Should know tomorrow
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Old 08-10-2016, 10:36 AM   #156
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Archery deer deadline today. I got eight areas I applied for. Should know tomorrow
dead line is tomorrow the 11th...
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Old 08-10-2016, 10:39 AM   #157
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paid for our alligator permits, so that's 2 less spots for second drawing...LOL The end of Sept can't get here fast enough.
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You'll loose your points. That's about the only good thing about the new system.
I believe you'd lose your points under the old system as well.
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Old 08-10-2016, 11:43 AM   #159
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I believe you'd lose your points under the old system as well.
Yeah but now it's the ONLY thing that might keep people from being stingy and putting in for every hunt even when they know they overlap. Before with one app per category it didn't happen near as much.
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Old 08-10-2016, 11:50 AM   #160
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I would be happy winning one of those pig hunts.
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Old 08-10-2016, 01:05 PM   #161
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Yeah but now it's the ONLY thing that might keep people from being stingy and putting in for every hunt even when they know they overlap. Before with one app per category it didn't happen near as much.
Not me. I have 13 points in Exotics and put in for most of them. Tried to stagger dates, but a couple had overlap. I have 5 points in Javelina and put in for several of those. If I want to hunt Javis bad, I'll just show up at the Chap as a standby.
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Old 08-10-2016, 01:41 PM   #162
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here's another question: can you be selected for multiple hunts in the same category within the same year?
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Old 08-10-2016, 01:57 PM   #163
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here's another question: can you be selected for multiple hunts in the same category within the same year?
Yes. But the first one you draw will result in your loyalty points going to zero, so that will make it less likely to be drawn on any others in that category. It's still possible though.
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Old 08-10-2016, 02:08 PM   #164
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here's another question: can you be selected for multiple hunts in the same category within the same year?
My kids got selected for several youth hunts a couple of years ago with three of them being in the same category. Like Shane said, if it is one or twelve your selected for in the same category, you still lose your points. That is part of why I apply for multiple hunts in the same category.
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Old 08-10-2016, 02:15 PM   #165
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Yes. But the first one you draw will result in your loyalty points going to zero, so that will make it less likely to be drawn on any others in that category. It's still possible though.
A buddy of mine got drawn for Dougherty and Murphree alligator hunts on the same dates last year, and he somehow pulled off both hunts.
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Old 08-10-2016, 02:23 PM   #166
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Yes. But the first one you draw will result in your loyalty points going to zero, so that will make it less likely to be drawn on any others in that category. It's still possible though.
I'm not sure they reset the points on the first draw unless you have some inside information. It doesn't seem like my kids would have drawn three YDE hunts at the same time. I attributed to them having seven points in that category. Or they are really luck. The same with the three other deer hunts they drew with two of those being management hunts.
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Old 08-10-2016, 02:28 PM   #167
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I'm not sure they reset the points on the first draw unless you have some inside information. It doesn't seem like my kids would have drawn three YDE hunts at the same time. I attributed to them having seven points in that category. Or they are really luck. The same with the three other deer hunts they drew with two of those being management hunts.
I was just basing it on what it says here: https://www2.tpwd.state.tx.us/huntwi...y-points.phtml

But it's hard to tell what they mean for sure. It could be read that you get your pre-drawing points in all hunts in that category. No question, if you are drawn for at least one of them you're points go to zero, but whether that affects your points in other hunts in that category during the current year's drawing isn't clear, I guess. You could read what they wrote either way. ??
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Old 08-10-2016, 02:51 PM   #168
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I was just basing it on what it says here: https://www2.tpwd.state.tx.us/huntwi...y-points.phtml

But it's hard to tell what they mean for sure. It could be read that you get your pre-drawing points in all hunts in that category. No question, if you are drawn for at least one of them you're points go to zero, but whether that affects your points in other hunts in that category during the current year's drawing isn't clear, I guess. You could read what they wrote either way. ??
Thanks for the info Shane! They need to clarify this paragraph better.

•They will apply equally to each application you submit within that category. For example, if you have 5 Loyalty Points in the Gun Deer – Either Sex category and submit applications at the Kerr WMA, the Chaparral WMA, and Garner SP, each application will be assigned 5 Loyalty Points. If you win the hunt at Garner SP, all of your points in the Gun Deer – Either Sex category will get reset to zero.

It seems to contradict itself. If I'm only drawn for Garner my points go to zero OR do my points go to zero if I'm drawn for Garner first?
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Old 08-10-2016, 02:56 PM   #169
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Your points go to zero if you're drawn for sure. But whether they go to zero before they finish drawing the rest of this year's hunts, or do you keep all the points in all of this year's drawings whether you're drawn or not is the question. I don't know.
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Old 08-10-2016, 03:29 PM   #170
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Your points go to zero if you're drawn for sure. But whether they go to zero before they finish drawing the rest of this year's hunts, or do you keep all the points in all of this year's drawings whether you're drawn or not is the question. I don't know.
Yeah, and sometimes they draw more than one hunt at a time, I believe. That would further complicate things.
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Old 08-10-2016, 03:33 PM   #171
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So the Million Dollar question for me is are they going to draw on Friday 12th for Archery or are they going to do like they did several times last year and wait until Monday 15th around 2:00 P
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Old 08-10-2016, 03:37 PM   #172
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So the Million Dollar question for me is are they going to draw on Friday 12th for Archery or are they going to do like they did several times last year and wait until Monday 15th around 2:00 P
I wouldn't be holding my breath for Friday. Lots of entries for Exotics, Archery Deer, and Javelina, and sometimes they draw one hunt at a time. Last year, I could literally stay logged into "Check Status" and see each one of my hunts change to second draw until I got to the last hunt I had to draw in October, and I got it.

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Old 08-10-2016, 05:08 PM   #173
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Got my fingers crossed for Devils river, or caprock
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Old 08-10-2016, 05:10 PM   #174
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I spent $50 in application fees this year, hoping to come away with at least 1 opportunity...then i'll have to figure out time off work but no need to put the cart before the horse
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Old 08-10-2016, 07:26 PM   #175
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Got my archery deer apps in.
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Old 08-10-2016, 07:29 PM   #176
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What does pending 2nd draw mean?
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Old 08-10-2016, 07:53 PM   #177
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It means that you didn't get drawn but might be able to be drawn if someone doesn't send in their hunt permit fee. Long odds but some have done it.
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Old 08-11-2016, 09:13 PM   #178
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So it will show 2nd draw if you don't draw, and what will it show if you do draw on the check status page?

Also, does applying as a group help at all with odds? Thanks.
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Old 08-11-2016, 09:15 PM   #179
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If you're drawn, it will say so on the check status page. Also your loyalty points in that category will go to zero, and you'll get an email to let you know that you were drawn.
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Old 08-11-2016, 09:20 PM   #180
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Got my fingers crossed for Devils river, or caprock
Me too. Palo Duro would be sweet too.
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Old 08-11-2016, 10:01 PM   #181
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I know everyone gonna be checking there status tomorrow hopefully they don't make us wait till Monday
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Old 08-12-2016, 08:20 AM   #182
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Well here we go again. A big part of me knows they're not gonna pick until Monday, but every time my phone dings with an email I'm gonna check it with anticipation.
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Old 08-12-2016, 08:23 AM   #183
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The ole lady drew a jd murhpree gator tag and I just called the WMA to make sure I would be able to go w her to help her and he said no unless I had my own tag.... but you can not apply together for that tag so I call bs... kinda mad right now
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Old 08-12-2016, 08:33 AM   #184
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The ole lady drew a jd murhpree gator tag and I just called the WMA to make sure I would be able to go w her to help her and he said no unless I had my own tag.... but you can not apply together for that tag so I call bs... kinda mad right now
You could have applied together, up to four people allowed per app this year...
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Old 08-12-2016, 08:41 AM   #185
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So it will show 2nd draw if you don't draw, and what will it show if you do draw on the check status page?

Also, does applying as a group help at all with odds? Thanks.
its says WON and then there is a link under the Permit# to click on to pay for the permit.
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Old 08-12-2016, 09:07 AM   #186
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The ole lady drew a jd murhpree gator tag and I just called the WMA to make sure I would be able to go w her to help her and he said no unless I had my own tag.... but you can not apply together for that tag so I call bs... kinda mad right now
You should have put both of you on the same application. I always apply with my Dad, wife, and myself on every application. We were all drawn for JD Murphree.
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Old 08-12-2016, 09:07 AM   #187
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The ole lady drew a jd murhpree gator tag and I just called the WMA to make sure I would be able to go w her to help her and he said no unless I had my own tag.... but you can not apply together for that tag so I call bs... kinda mad right now
Their rules, stop your cry'in
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Old 08-12-2016, 09:14 AM   #188
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The ole lady drew a jd murhpree gator tag and I just called the WMA to make sure I would be able to go w her to help her and he said no unless I had my own tag.... but you can not apply together for that tag so I call bs... kinda mad right now
Technically, it's public land. So I'm not sure how they can prevent a non-hunter from "visiting" the WMA, but I don't think it's an argument you can win. There may be some other people on TBH that are going on those dates. Might check and see if she can hunt with them.
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Old 08-12-2016, 09:15 AM   #189
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Old 08-12-2016, 09:18 AM   #190
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Technically, it's public land. So I'm not sure how they can prevent a non-hunter from "visiting" the WMA, but I don't think it's an argument you can win.
Most WMA will post Closed dates to the public while hunts take place.
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Technically, it's public land. So I'm not sure how they can prevent a non-hunter from "visiting" the WMA, but I don't think it's an argument you can win. There may be some other people on TBH that are going on those dates. Might check and see if she can hunt with them.
Actually they can because the State has the right / authority to close the area, so a person can and likely would be charged with Criminal Trespass if they decided to "visit", when told otherwise.
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Technically, it's public land. So I'm not sure how they can prevent a non-hunter from "visiting" the WMA, but I don't think it's an argument you can win. There may be some other people on TBH that are going on those dates. Might check and see if she can hunt with them.
Sometimes they will pair up hunters that hunting alone. They have tried to do that to me on a couple of hunts, but I told them I didn't want to. A lot of time they will just give you a smaller hunt compartment. Sometimes they will split up a hunt compartment if people don't want to pair up with someone they don't know.
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Old 08-12-2016, 09:58 AM   #193
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Actually they can because the State has the right / authority to close the area, so a person can and likely would be charged with Criminal Trespass if they decided to "visit", when told otherwise.
Yep.
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Old 08-12-2016, 10:16 AM   #194
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I usually apply with 2 other guys who have way fewer points than me. This year im solo, and will get full use of my 16 points in Exotic.

C'mon Devil's River!

Or Palo Duro, where they now make you apply with another person.
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Old 08-12-2016, 10:23 AM   #195
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Actually they can because the State has the right / authority to close the area, so a person can and likely would be charged with Criminal Trespass if they decided to "visit", when told otherwise.
He first has to physical be on the property, told to leave, and then refuse before being charged. That's assuming the whole area is closed.

It's public property, and you cannot trespass unless you are on the property and told to leave by someone with the authority to order you to.
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Not true, he has already been warned when he called them and asked. Plus they post signs saying the area is closed to the public. So in this case and what he stated on a public forum he could be charged and it would hold up. I'm speaking to what is being said in this case. To your point, yes there usually does have to be a warning but not if it is posted, area painted with paint in accordance with law, or fenced in such a manner that a reasonable and prudent person would / should understand that there entry is unwanted / unlawful.
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I usually apply with 2 other guys who have way fewer points than me. This year im solo, and will get full use of my 16 points in Exotic.

C'mon Devil's River!

Or Palo Duro, where they now make you apply with another person.
Yeah, I have 13 in Exotics but my BIL retired and decided that he wanted to submit for draws now. He has 8 in exotics so we average 11. Fortunately, he doesn't hunt Javis or bowhunt so I can use my points there.
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Old 08-12-2016, 10:38 AM   #198
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He first has to physical be on the property, told to leave, and then refuse before being charged. That's assuming the whole area is closed.

It's public property, and you cannot trespass unless you are on the property and told to leave by someone with the authority to order you to.
They will seriously throw the book at you if caught on a WMA without a permit during a closed hunt, seen it first hand at richland creek.
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Old 08-12-2016, 10:42 AM   #199
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Not true, he has already been warned when he called them and asked. Plus they post signs saying the area is closed to the public. So in this case and what he stated on a public forum he could be charged and it would hold up. I'm speaking to what is being said in this case. To your point, yes there usually does have to be a warning but not if it is posted, area painted with paint in accordance with law, or fenced in such a manner that a reasonable and prudent person would / should understand that there entry is unwanted / unlawful.
I hike the parks and have been asked to leave areas. It's nothing dramatic and not a big deal. I've shown up to parks that are closed, and you are asked to leave. Criminal Trespassing is a misdemeanor and a slap on the wrist. They are not going to reference the phone call or search public forums. They don't even work that hard for felonies. TPWD and County Judges have better things to do than prosecute a guy that was just trying to make sure his wife was safe.
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Old 08-12-2016, 10:45 AM   #200
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They will seriously throw the book at you if caught on a WMA without a permit during a closed hunt, seen it first hand at richland creek.
You are assuming he is hunting without a permit. That's different than accompanying his wife.

I'm going to quit posting because the thread is getting off topic.
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