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Old 02-09-2018, 08:58 PM   #1
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I've seen all over the country where hunters pay upwards of $5000 or more to have opportunity to harvest a trophy whitetail.

My question to all good hunters: what will you pay for Over 225'' SCI whitetail
$10,175.00 to $15,000.00....

No wonder our hunter numbers are declining



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Old 02-09-2018, 09:01 PM   #2
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You lost me at good hunter.
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Heard a story down 'round Cotulla about a guy who paid $25k for a shot at a big buck. Took his shot and missed! Racked another round and the guide in the blind with him put his hand over the scope and said "That'll be another $25k for another shot." Can't verify if it is true or not, but no way for this old guy.
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I won’t pay that much for a whitetail. Just ain’t worth it to me. Whitetail ranches dun got way too greedy for me. Hell, I paid less than $20k for 3 of us to go to Africa and we shot 9 animals. We were treated like royalty while we were there. And that price included airfare and taxi!
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Heard a story down 'round Cotulla about a guy who paid $25k for a shot at a big buck. Took his shot and missed! Racked another round and the guide in the blind with him put his hand over the scope and said "That'll be another $25k for another shot." Can't verify if it is true or not, but no way for this old guy.
Bolted another round for the same animal?
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Bolted another round for the same animal?
Yep--according to the story teller
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Heard a story down 'round Cotulla about a guy who paid $25k for a shot at a big buck. Took his shot and missed! Racked another round and the guide in the blind with him put his hand over the scope and said "That'll be another $25k for another shot." Can't verify if it is true or not, but no way for this old guy.

That sounds like the bottom of an ol whiskey bottle talkin' that got told to you..
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Hey---may have been the bottom of the whiskey bottle talking--but more likely the 24th can out of a case of Old Milwaukee..
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Not sure.

Are Hunter numbers really declining or is that a per capita thing.
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Old 02-09-2018, 09:20 PM   #10
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And not the first bottle either
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Old 02-09-2018, 09:21 PM   #11
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I would buy a steer before i would pay that for a deer. My trophy is a full freezer
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Old 02-09-2018, 09:22 PM   #12
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Half the fun is farting around fixing/building things and sitting by the fire BS’n. I don’t see the point in spending mega bucks for mega bucks but don’t fault anyone else for it.
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Trophy hunting is not the reason for the decline in hunter recruitment
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Old 02-09-2018, 09:53 PM   #14
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Iíd wager it has a significant impact though. I know that I have 2 kids that are now too old to be kids on our place so they have to start paying their own way. First year I had to pay my own way lease fee was $200. I donít see my kids being able to afford a lease for several years with what it costs now. Good thing I also own property they can hunt.

Iím a free market guy to the core so I have no problem with people charging what the market will bear but I think itís naive to think that the cost of hunting hasnít outpaced inflation by many many times. 25 years ago it was just about unheard of to have someone tell you that wives, kids, guests werenít welcome at your lease. Now the struggle is finding a place that does allow that. The animals have a dollar value now, not just the experience. Good for trophy quality, not good for affordable access to hunting ground.


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Old 02-09-2018, 09:55 PM   #15
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Iíd wager it has a significant impact though. I know that I have 2 kids that are now too old to be kids on our place so they have to start paying their own way. First year I had to pay my own way lease fee was $200. I donít see my kids being able to afford a lease for several years with what it costs now. Good thing I also own property they can hunt.

Iím a free market guy to the core so I have no problem with people charging what the market will bear but I think itís naive to think that the cost of hunting hasnít outpaced inflation by many many times. 25 years ago it was just about unheard of to have someone tell you that wives, kids, guests werenít welcome at your lease. Now the struggle is finding a place that does allow that. The animals have a dollar value now, not just the experience. Good for trophy quality, not good for affordable access to hunting ground.

My first high bred lab pup cost $65 in 1984. The same dog will run you $800 plus now.


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Old 02-09-2018, 10:08 PM   #16
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Not sure.

Are Hunter numbers really declining or is that a per capita thing.
These are actual fact, as we baby boomers retire from hunting. We aren't being replaced by next generations of young hunters. Being on State board NWTF, Texas we work closely with TPWD and the numbers we see are scary.

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Never said trophy hunting was reason...ask what would you pay for a trophy whitetail. You miss point sika. And yes it has an indirect impact on hunter recruitment, if all that new hunters see as being the normal cost to hunt for whitetail is the high cost to harvest one.

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Old 02-09-2018, 10:18 PM   #18
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These are actual fact, as we baby boomers retire from hunting. We aren't being replaced by next generations of young hunters. Being on State board NWTF, Texas we work closely with TPWD and the numbers we see are scary.

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Iíd like to see those numbers and how they were acquired.


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Old 02-09-2018, 10:19 PM   #19
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I would buy a steer before i would pay that for a deer. My trophy is a full freezer
X2 and get more meat to boot with change for other things. Good point

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Old 02-09-2018, 10:23 PM   #20
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Half the fun is farting around fixing/building things and sitting by the fire BSín. I donít see the point in spending mega bucks for mega bucks but donít fault anyone else for it.
X2
Spending time with a youngster teaching them and sharing stories round fire. Making memories and instilling good stewardship. Family/friends

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Old 02-09-2018, 10:39 PM   #21
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Don't confuse higher lease prices with trophy hunting. They're not synonymous.
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Old 02-09-2018, 10:42 PM   #22
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I heard through a grapevine a good hunter payed 53000 for a 270 + class buck one time but don't know all the details on that deal


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Old 02-09-2018, 10:54 PM   #23
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Good hunters don't pay for trophy deer....they sacrifice and earn trophy deer
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Old 02-09-2018, 11:31 PM   #24
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Kick and shoot is devaluing trophy hunting. Capitalism is raising the price of leases.

In the old days a natural native 200 deserved a high price, now a 300 pen buck is cheap.

In the old days a cattleman would lease his land cheap, now he knows thereís a market for hunting land.
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Old 02-10-2018, 02:03 AM   #25
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All I saw was the LDP...
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Old 02-10-2018, 05:45 AM   #26
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I've seen all over the country where hunters pay upwards of $5000 or more to have opportunity to harvest a trophy whitetail.

My question to all good hunters: what will you pay for Over 225'' SCI whitetail
$10,175.00 to $15,000.00....

No wonder our hunter numbers are declining

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Never said trophy hunting was reason...ask what would you pay for a trophy whitetail. You miss point sika. And yes it has an indirect impact on hunter recruitment, if all that new hunters see as being the normal cost to hunt for whitetail is the high cost to harvest one.

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Why are new hunters worried about the cost of a 200Ē+ whitetail? Iím 48 years old and I donít give a flip about what one costs. When I was a new hunter I was just worried about being able to kill A whitetail. Still am just after whatever whitetail my lease provides. IMO your two comparisons arenít necessary related.

Your example is akin to saying less people are driving these days because a Ferrari costs $300K.

Or more people are renting apartments instead of buying homes because some celebrityís house cost $30 million.

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Old 02-10-2018, 06:27 AM   #27
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I see lots of members posting $5,000 and up day hunt buck kills, so that seems to be pretty common.

Leases are very expensive (not saying they're not worth it), so I'm teaching my kids to hunt as much public land as possible. Sure, they'll have to work harder at it, but there are opportunities to hunt out there if inches of antler and bragging rights aren't high priorities.




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Surely the market gets flooded with the pen raised deer at some point???
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Old 02-10-2018, 06:32 AM   #29
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**** Smart you are a very intelligent person. And there is no sarcasm in that
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I would not pay the average prices that you see advertised out there.
There are private ranches out there that donít do a lot of advertising that offer some great deals.
This year I shot a 206Ē, never dreamed Iíd ever do that, but I couldnít pass up the deal. Also on that hunt we shot a 154Ē and 175Ē. Both of those were dream deer as well and we paid ďworking mans pricesĒ for deer of that caliber. Now with being said, that opportunity will probably never come again.


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I keep thinking the same thing
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Old 02-10-2018, 06:58 AM   #34
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I would like to shoot a huge buck someday. I suppose if I quit leasing and save up for two or three years I could afford to. But I like the all year outdoors opportunity of a lease. Someday maybe I'll get lucky and kill a nice 150 class buck there.

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Old 02-10-2018, 07:07 AM   #35
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Itís such a gamble to pay for a three to five day hunt at 3-5k and potentially not kill something I canít bring myself to do it. If I was rollin in the dough that might be a different story but alas, I ainít rollin in the dough.


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I would not pay the average prices that you see advertised out there.
There are private ranches out there that donít do a lot of advertising that offer some great deals.
This year I shot a 206Ē, never dreamed Iíd ever do that, but I couldnít pass up the deal. Also on that hunt we shot a 154Ē and 175Ē. Both of those were dream deer as well and we paid ďworking mans pricesĒ for deer of that caliber. Now with being said, that opportunity will probably never come again.


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I'd like to know the working mans price for a 206. I'm guessing your work is different than mine
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I wouldn't spend more then a hunting lic. costs. $ 45.00 I believe they are right now, here. It just don't interest me in the least, that if I spend enough I could kill something " big". But seems this is the way " hunting " ( have a real hard time typing in hunting right there, shooting it should be) is headed, sad but true.

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I would not pay the average prices that you see advertised out there.
There are private ranches out there that donít do a lot of advertising that offer some great deals.
This year I shot a 206Ē, never dreamed Iíd ever do that, but I couldnít pass up the deal. Also on that hunt we shot a 154Ē and 175Ē. Both of those were dream deer as well and we paid ďworking mans pricesĒ for deer of that caliber. Now with being said, that opportunity will probably never come again.


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Maybe Iím thinking of someone else, but havenít you shot some deer at the Droptine with Matt and Corey?
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Hunter recruitment loss is due to several factors. Today's society of increasing snowflakes is one of them. It was once tradition that people hunted and took their kids, and it continued that way up until the mid 70's and early 80's. Now, most kids are more into their electronic devices than the outdoors. Personally, I blame the parents for that...
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Old 02-10-2018, 07:48 AM   #41
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I see lots of members posting $5,000 and up day hunt buck kills, so that seems to be pretty common.

Leases are very expensive (not saying they're not worth it), so I'm teaching my kids to hunt as much public land as possible. Sure, they'll have to work harder at it, but there are opportunities to hunt out there if inches of antler and bragging rights aren't high priorities.




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Those kids will have earned far more bragging rights shooting a 1st year spike on public land than they ever would writing a check for a 200Ē deer.


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Hunter recruitment loss is due to several factors. Today's society of increasing snowflakes is one of them. It was once tradition that people hunted and took their kids, and it continued that way up until the mid 70's and early 80's. Now, most kids are more into their electronic devices than the outdoors. Personally, I blame the parents for that...


The loss of that tradition has as much to do with landowners capitalizing on the hunting value of their property as any other factor. In west Texas, right up into the early 90s, a man could gain access to take his kiddos hunting by a knock on a door and a handshake. Not knocking the landowners, but Iíll also not try to foist blame on parents who couldnít afford to pay for what had been free (or very nearly so) their whole lives.


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Trophy hunting is not the reason for the decline in hunter recruitment
I donít think trophy hunting is the issue but access. There will always be people who can afford trophy hunts and those who can only do public. IMO it is exposure and access, taking outdoor education out of schools mixed with the privitatization of lands leaves less of a chance for people to be exposed to the outdoors.
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The loss of that tradition has as much to do with landowners capitalizing on the hunting value of their property as any other factor. In west Texas, right up into the early 90s, a man could gain access to take his kiddos hunting by a knock on a door and a handshake. Not knocking the landowners, but I’ll also not try to foist blame on parents who couldn’t afford to pay for what had been free (or very nearly so) their whole lives.


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This. I know lots of guys at my church that hunt. The only one i know that taught his son and still actively hunts with his son can afford the 3k-5k day lease. which I'm glad he can do. I can teach my son lots of things. One of those things is going to have to be the disappointment in high pressure public land and another lesson on how things are worth whatever someone's willing to pay. But he'll probably have his first hangover on said trip learning this lesson

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Old 02-10-2018, 08:30 AM   #47
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Never said trophy hunting was reason...ask what would you pay for a trophy whitetail. You miss point sika. And yes it has an indirect impact on hunter recruitment, if all that new hunters see as being the normal cost to hunt for whitetail is the high cost to harvest one.

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I didn’t miss the point at all...your question - how much is a trophy deer worth to you - was a red herring but I’ll play along....I could buy a very nice deer hunt with all the money I’ll spend on leases this year. No question. But I’d rather have year round access to the land and the opportunity to hunt multiple species throughout the year. Those things are more important to me than the opportunity to kill one 200 inch whitetail.

Trophy hunting is a 100% luxury item, like a nice watch or luxury car..and it’s always been an option for those that could afford it. Hunter recruitment is down because more people are growing up in an urban environment with no access to land and hunting opportunities.

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Old 02-10-2018, 08:34 AM   #48
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I didnít miss the point at all...your question - how much is a trophy deer worth to you - was a red herring
Red herring is spot on...
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Old 02-10-2018, 08:39 AM   #49
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Hey---may have been the bottom of the whiskey bottle talking--but more likely the 24th can out of a case of Old Milwaukee..
At 25K per shot,it should be some fine aged whisky,not cheap beer.....
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Old 02-10-2018, 08:40 AM   #50
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Yep--according to the story teller
When we pig hunted on the King Ranch many years ago, that was the story we heard about how they do their deer hunts. That wasn't the price but to keep peeps from just blasting away, they told em they had one shot....practice as much as you need beforehand but you have one shot. I thought it was kinda cool.
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