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Old 10-06-2015, 01:08 PM   #1
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Default Had string/cables replaced-now doesnt go into the valley?

I had my string and cables replaced at a local shop (wont say which one), I drew it back a couple of times and just thought it was tight/new string syndrome...

after a a draw or so when I got out to the lease, I realized this thing isn't even getting into the valley.

is this just a cable adjustment? cord for drop away too short? any thoughts/experienced before I bring it back into the shop?
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Old 10-06-2015, 01:14 PM   #2
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I wouldn't shoot it and take it straight back to shop!
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Old 10-06-2015, 01:15 PM   #3
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when I realized this wasn't feeling right I put it back in the case
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Old 10-06-2015, 01:20 PM   #4
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The cams need timing. Twist up the cables and it will advance the cams giving it valley. If you were in the Houston area I would be glad to do it for you
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Old 10-06-2015, 01:24 PM   #5
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I had that happen once. The bow wasn't even close to factory specs when the shop got done with it. I gave them a chance to fix it but I ended up having to learn how to do it myself.

My cams were out of sync, draw length was an inch longer than I told them to put it and the draw stops weren't anywhere close to where they were supposed to be.
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Old 10-06-2015, 01:25 PM   #6
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appreciate the offer cmh. I wasn't sure if the draw stop or the cables were the culprit
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Old 10-06-2015, 01:52 PM   #7
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Did you pay them to set it and tune or just swap strings and cables? Could be they charge different depending and only swapped without putting anything back into spec. Also could be wrong lengths. Either way needs to be looked at
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Old 10-06-2015, 05:12 PM   #8
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Sounds like it could be wrong string length or they just put it back together and didn't check the specs.
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Old 10-06-2015, 05:34 PM   #9
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I've never understood why a bow shop would install new strings and cables and not check the bow specs, at the very east. I understand not tuning it for you, but it should at least be in spec.
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Old 10-06-2015, 05:41 PM   #10
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I've never understood why a bow shop would install new strings and cables and not check the bow specs, at the very east. I understand not tuning it for you, but it should at least be in spec.
This. Anytime I replace cables or string I make at least the minimum measurements on brace height, axle-axle, and mark the cams.
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Old 10-06-2015, 05:48 PM   #11
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Sounds like the cables are longer than should be, just needs some twistin up
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Old 10-06-2015, 06:19 PM   #12
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What bow?
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Old 10-06-2015, 07:08 PM   #13
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Had new strings and cables put on my bow, plus swapped limbs from 70 lbs to 60 lbs peak wt. Got 'er home, BH and FPs shoot to same point of impact. All I had to do was adjust the sights. Think I'll buy my bow guy a beer!
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Old 10-06-2015, 07:09 PM   #14
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2011 Bowtech Assassin
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Old 10-06-2015, 08:44 PM   #15
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The Assassin Is quite possibly The best, simplest bow ever put on the market.
A2A, brace, and poundage, with draw-stop in the correct position, is pretty simple.
Something is amiss.
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Old 10-06-2015, 09:15 PM   #16
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Thanks Rocky, I think this guy just didn't pay attention to the twist? Idk

Just for fun... Anyone care to guess which place put the strings on?
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Old 10-06-2015, 09:40 PM   #17
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Why keep it a secret, poor work should be called out...otherwise the problem won't be fixed.
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Old 10-06-2015, 09:53 PM   #18
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Bass pro grapevine... Bow tech was russell but in his defense i was in there for 3 hours and he was stressing out
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Old 10-06-2015, 10:15 PM   #19
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Not exactly shocked that a big box store jacked it up
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Old 10-06-2015, 10:35 PM   #20
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Me either but still they setup how many bows a year?
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Old 10-07-2015, 05:42 AM   #21
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I am sure he didn't/ doesn't know the specs of bows that aren't sold at BP.
Even at that, just knowing SNC lengths and the poundage the bow is supposed to be should get a guy close.
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Old 10-07-2015, 08:43 AM   #22
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Me either but still they setup how many bows a year?
Probably not that many. They may get bows off the rack and install a rest and such, but 9/10 times the "techs" at big box stores don't know the difference between a buss cable and a control cable, and if they do they probably don't know which to twist to advance the top cam vs the bottom.
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Old 10-07-2015, 08:44 AM   #23
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good point pm.
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Old 10-07-2015, 03:51 PM   #24
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I just depends on who the tech is and if they have the experience doing so, ....b.p. Here has a few that are very knowlegable hooked my bow up when i replaced the strings and cables last month
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Old 10-07-2015, 07:21 PM   #25
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It could be as simple as the draw-stop position. many times, to press the Assassin, the draw-stop needs to be moved.
He may have moved it and simply positioned it incorrectly afterwards.
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Old 10-09-2015, 08:41 AM   #26
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It could be as simple as the draw-stop position. many times, to press the Assassin, the draw-stop needs to be moved.
He may have moved it and simply positioned it incorrectly afterwards.
this is it exactly.

UPDATE: took the bow to All Star Archery - cams appear to be bent.
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Old 10-09-2015, 11:21 AM   #27
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UPDATE:

Bowtech is warrantying the cams for me!!!!!!

now working with BPS to pay All Star's labor
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Old 10-09-2015, 11:55 AM   #28
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Bass pro grapevine... Bow tech was russell but in his defense i was in there for 3 hours and he was stressing out
^ Why would you trust your bow to a big box store when you have two excellent pro shops in this area. I drive 50 miles to get to Cinnamon Creek Ranch in Haslett/Roanoke and another in Plano.

Also, why would leave the shop before even checking the draw? CCR MADE me check it out after they repaired my bow and replaced the cable and string earlier this year.

And him stressing out is not an excuse for either him or you.
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Old 10-09-2015, 01:37 PM   #29
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Doc - where in Plano are you referring?
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Bent cams??? I've pressed my bow and others multiple times with absolutely no damage...
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Old 10-09-2015, 02:29 PM   #31
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heres what happened at bass pro, the tech replaced the string and cables and didn't tighten the draw stop. the tech had me pull it back to check the peep height. the bow went into over draw and derailed.
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Old 10-09-2015, 04:47 PM   #32
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I may have spoken a bit early, I was told there was an archery store in Plano, the one I am thinking about is in Garland Outdoor Pro shops and in lewisville All Star Archery. At least that is what I have seen and herard before. I usually travel the 50 miles to CCR, they have always done me right.
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Old 10-09-2015, 04:52 PM   #33
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yeah All Star is good, and I think a bit closer.

they need to open a bow shop in Frisco
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Old 10-10-2015, 06:48 AM   #34
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There is also Smithfield Archery if Fort Worth, although I wasn't too impressed.

I have driven out to Alvarado Archery, it is only about 20 miles away. It is OK, but sitll I prefer CCR. Willing to go up 360 for the long drive.
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Old 10-14-2015, 10:46 PM   #35
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Bass pro grapevine... Bow tech was russell but in his defense i was in there for 3 hours and he was stressing out
My name is Russell Thompson & I am the Bow Tech that worked on both of this guys bows. since I was mentioned by name all I will say is this, Yes I spent a little over 2 hours working on your bow but I was NOT stressed out or panicked or freaking out! I work on bows 8 hours a day 5 days a week with sometimes 8-12 people waiting in line. I have heard it all, seen it all and been yelled at or cussed out more than a few times. I have worked on hundreds & hundreds of bows & have dozens and dozens of satisfied customers so If you feel like I some how damaged your bow then feel free to come back to the store and talk to me instead of calling me out on a public forum......

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PS. The bow was drawn multiple times by both myself & the customer BEFORE he left the store

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Old 10-14-2015, 11:04 PM   #36
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Russel **** happens. It could have happened to anybody.

I did find it funny that you said " I have worked on hundreds & hundreds of bows & have dozens and dozens of satisfied customers".
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My name is Russell Thompson & I am the Bow Tech that worked on both of this guys bows. since I was mentioned by name all I will say is this, Yes I spent a little over 2 hours working on your bow but I was NOT stressed out or panicked or freaking out! I work on bows 8 hours a day 5 days a week with sometimes 8-12 people waiting in line. I have heard it all, seen it all and been yelled at or cussed out more than a few times. I have worked on hundreds & hundreds of bows & have dozens and dozens of satisfied customers so If you feel like I some how damaged your bow then feel free to come back to the store and talk to me instead of calling me out on a public forum......

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PS. The bow was drawn multiple times by both myself & the customer BEFORE he left the store
Russell, When he claimed the cams were bent, I knew it wasn't an issue any tech could have caused.
I've only seen one type of event that resulted in bent cams, and the customer rarely admits it.
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A little backround on me, I have been archery hunting since 1977, I have worked on my own bows as well as many of my friends bows and in 30 years I have NEVER had an issue like this come up! According to my contact at BowTech failing to re-install a draw stop and over drawing a bow to the point of a de-railment would not cause the cams to become bent or result in bent axles. The bow was not over pressed nor were the cams pinched in the press at anytime while I worked on it. I do however take issue with the assessment by "another" archery shop that my actions damaged the bow? How do we know the bow didn't have issues before I ever worked on it? Again I am human and we all make mistakes but to not give me the opportunity to make it right and just call me out on a public forum while calling my boss and telling him that I ruined your bow made for a pretty crappy day at work.
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Old 10-15-2015, 09:12 AM   #39
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Russell, admittedly should have kept names out of this. You are a nice guy and this is a small community of people.
And I agree, another archery shop could be blowing smoke. bottom line, I am the customer and want my bow working, if a shop tells me it needs cams to make it work, I am without a doubt wanting to get it back up and running.

Bottom line is bowtech took care of the cams, your boss gave me $50 store credit which, with another GC I had, $150 was spent at Bass Pro. so they get more business, happy customer and the bow is being fixed.

until they mentioned cams I thought the strings weren't twisted enough.
btw, the draw stop wasn't the only issue. but you've said your piece. No reason to not be civil about this matter
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