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Old 02-16-2018, 10:58 AM   #1
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Something Iíve been thinking about for a while now and I didnít want to hi jack the Florida thread. I know this may be sensitive info you donít want on the internet, so Iíll just ask for opinions, not what you actually do in your house hold. What do you think about anyone under 18 having free access to a firearm? I grew up in the 80ís in a small Texas town, where I still live. Every pickup in our family had a rifle in the back window, which would be there if that truck was used to pick me up from school. Every family members house had a gun rack on the wall or guns where leaned up behind a door. My dad didnít like me running loose with a rifle because he was afraid I would accidentally shoot a cow, but I could take a shotgun anywhere I wanted. I even took my red rider B.B. gun on the bus in first grade because I spent the weekend shooting at a friends house. My teacher kept it till after class. I took an 870 to school in high school because I disassembled it and couldnít put it back together so one the coaches reassembled it on his off period and gave it back to me to take home. All this being said I have a 2 year old son and another on the way. I think all of my guns and ammo is going to be locked down just because things have changed. My kids are going to grow up in the same area I did and go to same school I did, but the world is definitely different. The things kids are exposed to now I couldnít have imagined. They get instant information on there phones, where we had 4 channels and a party line.


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Old 02-16-2018, 11:19 AM   #2
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I agree that different times call for different measures. Growing up, my dad's guns (and mine since I got my first one at age 12) were in an unlocked hall closet with the ammo on a shelf. I guess I probably got them out from time to time to show friends but checking to make sure they were unloaded was second nature due to my dad's training me. Even though both my boys were proficient with guns and were drilled on safety, I bought a safe when the oldest was old enough to walk. Partially to deter thieves, partially to ensure no accident could happen at home. Back in the 70's high schools still had rifle teams - it was common to see a guy carrying his .22 through the halls to be locked up in the coach's office until the afternoon practice. It never crossed anyone's mind that might be a problem. We can talk about "the good old days" all we want but we can't put our heads in the sand - times have changed. There is a societal/cultural rot and there are no easy answers...
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Old 02-16-2018, 11:21 AM   #3
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I grew up much like you, out in the country. My boys are 14 and 11 and both have been handling firearms since they were 3 years old. Both have their own rifles, shotguns, etc..... heck, my youngest got an AR for his 10th birthday. With all of that said, all firearms are locked up in my house and they do not have access without me. I live in a neighborhood and don't know when they will have friends over or what those friends familiarity with firearms might be. There is just no sense leaving firearms unsecured when kids or strangers could access them.
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Old 02-16-2018, 11:28 AM   #4
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I have let my kids handle my guns since they were born. I have also drivin it into their heads that they better not touch one with out me or momma present. They are 10 and 9 now, i have a 410 and a 22 leaning in my closet a 357 in my drawer and the rest are in my conex which they get into all the time. They never touch them. My son takes the Gamo hunting birds and squirrels in the back of our place all the time but i will not let him take the 22 or the 410 by himself even though i did when i was his age.
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Old 02-16-2018, 11:32 AM   #5
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We keep them in a unused bathroom closet with a knob lock. Away from the younger kids. Now days if were found with a knife in our trucks we will get suspended from school but like yall said times changed. Ive beem drilled by gun saftey and only allowed to unlock the closet with permission and even under more supervision if im trying to take a gun to a friends property or something like that. But on the other hand ive been to peoples house that have a ar-15 in the 13 year olds closet and a .357 in his dresser. I think that is ridiculous and if a intruder were to come inside at a late time of night i think that would make a situation bad fast with multiple people in a house unknowingly where everyone could be at that time
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Old 02-16-2018, 11:34 AM   #6
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People more desire the things they do not or can not have.

Why hide and lock up the guns and ammo instead of teaching your children how to be responsible with them? You were allowed them but I'm pretty sure you were taught how to handle them properly, and the destructive power they contain. Why deny your children the same opportunity?

Kids haven't changed, what they are taught in terms of responsibility has.
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Old 02-16-2018, 11:35 AM   #7
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It's the same world as it has always been, you just learn about quicker than before or being told more. There has always been bad things happening to good people. On the subject of guns, I personally think there should be a mandatory gun safety class for everyone. If you leave this to the parents not all will teach the kids the correct way.
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Old 02-16-2018, 11:39 AM   #8
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Son (15) doesnt have access to the safe but when we're at the deer camp hes got free access to anything he wants. Im sure like most TBH members kids he was raised around them. He has zero curiosity and knows all hes got to do is ask.

Hes currently in san antonio at a school sanctioned shooting event.
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Old 02-16-2018, 11:40 AM   #9
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Lived by Massad Ayoob's philosophy's (writer and self defense instructor). Get rid of the curiosity. After returning home from the range and cleaning guns, let the kids "play" with them, ask questions, handle. Each time showing them how to check to see if loaded first (started this at 2-3 years old). Started taking them to the range at 5-6 years old. First trip to range- 1 gallon milk jugs full of water and food coloring- 45 HP at 10 yards- this is how dangerous these can be!! Then the 22, target shooting and cans (more fun, instant gratification). Always had loaded guns in the house, never had an issue of any kind. ALWAYS made sure guns put away if friends of the kids were coming over.

Now, both my kids were well adjusted, responsible kids. If behavior problems I'm sure things would have been different. Times have changed, not sure if I'd do it the same nowadays or not.

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Old 02-16-2018, 11:41 AM   #10
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Much like Eastwood said we were not tuned into all of these events that the kids of today are due to the media and social media. If something like this happened back in the day I would not have known about it till someone told me. I was not one to be sitting around watching the evening news on one of the 3 channels we had. I was out shooting my BB gun or riding my bike until the street lights came on. Now with instance media social or otherwise kids of all ages are hearing about what is going on. Not much different that the stupid pod challenge now kids are seeing what is going on, and the recognition that goes with it, and it seems to be a challenge to them. As the kid in Florida posted he wanted to be a professional school shooter. I don't know the answer. It is not gun control as we have always had guns. I just know it is a scary thing for all and I can relate as my wife works at a school.
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Old 02-16-2018, 11:51 AM   #11
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Son (15) doesnt have access to the safe but when we're at the deer camp hes got free access to anything he wants. Im sure like most TBH members kids he was raised around them. He has zero curiosity and knows all hes got to do is ask.

Hes currently in san antonio at a school sanctioned shooting event.
Same way in our house
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Old 02-16-2018, 11:56 AM   #12
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I was raised much like you, I could use pellet rifles and shotguns in the country all I wanted, but dad would only let me shoot .22's in a controlled environment with a backstop. When my girls were young I had guns stored in closets, behind doors, and anywhere else I could get them out of sight. Only one loaded firearm near the bed. After they left the house I finally could afford a gun safe. They were involved and educated with firearms as they grew older. My oldest grandson was raised I'm my house, so he has been raised around guns. Hammered with safety his whole life. Has never had uncontrolled access. Gave him the short stocked red rider at 4, no bb's. We live in the city and I didn't want bb's leaving the yard. Gave him bb's when he seemed responsible, and later a pellet rifle. He is 12 now, and still doesn't have the combination to the safe. I don't feel he would be an issue, but don't want him to bring any friends that I cant control. His little brother is 3, and has a lot of maturing to do. That being said, my 3 oldest grandkids have AR15's I have given them (all secured by me or their parents). I have a lower for the youngest, and if I can't build him one he can have mine. they all have guns I have given them. because of my health issues I have been passing them out at birthdays. I am in the process of inventorying and denoting which ones each get, and giving them away now, in case my cancer comes back.



I think firearms need to be locked so children cant access, even if it is a tin cabinet. Also your guns will most likely still be there after a burglary. You cannot tell what kids will do when no one is around, they will do things with their friends they wouldn't think about doing by themselves or with grownups around (peer pressure). We all believe our children are not capable of doing one of these shootings like the school, and 99.99999% will not.






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Old 02-16-2018, 12:01 PM   #13
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This thread reminds me of a conversation I had with a co-worker. I brought some snack sticks to him that my wife and I made with some axis meat. He took some home to see if his wife would eat one. Co-worker (also LE) knows my son carries pellet around in the back yard, is a member of a FFA shooting team, hunts etc.

Apparently it came up at one of his family gatherings about how our 15 year old son shoots and has access to guns when asked etc. The eldest of the family asked my co-worker if they, as a family, needed to pray for us?

There was a million ways I could have responded to that but I just chuckled and went about my day
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Old 02-16-2018, 12:04 PM   #14
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My dad was a DPS officer, so my brother and I grew up around guns and firearms all our life. As others have stated, he taught us early the power of those guns, and the safety we needed to take with them. He had, and still has his rifles in the old fashioned gun cabinet. We never touched them unless we had permission. One out of fear, two out of we knew we werent supposed to because of the seriousness. But also, like most of yall have stated, its a dang different world out there now.
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Old 02-16-2018, 12:10 PM   #15
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I always had access to my Dad's guns. He taught us safety, consequence and we knew how serious and important it was to follow the rules of gun safety. I believe people who don't grow up around firearms and hunting are more likely to misuse them simply due to not fully understanding the consequences of misusing them. Hunters know first hand the consequences, even if it is just an animal.
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Old 02-16-2018, 12:17 PM   #16
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i grew up walking around the ranch shooting grass hoppers with my red ryder. have owned many guns. I have a son and my guns are not kept in a safe. they are behind every door in every room. That being said their not all loaded. The loaded ones are out of reach. Accidents happen and my son wont be a statistic.
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Old 02-16-2018, 12:17 PM   #17
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I have never locked my guns away. Each weapon is loaded and ready to charge a round in the chamber and go to work. My pistols all loaded with a round in the chamber. My kids have always been around weapons and each is fairly good with both pistols and rifles. May npt rub some of y'all the right way, but it's been fine in my house for many years this way
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Old 02-16-2018, 12:19 PM   #18
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People more desire the things they do not or can not have.

Why hide and lock up the guns and ammo instead of teaching your children how to be responsible with them? You were allowed them but I'm pretty sure you were taught how to handle them properly, and the destructive power they contain. Why deny your children the same opportunity?

Kids haven't changed, what they are taught in terms of responsibility has.
Tried to stay away from all these posts but I could not agree more with this statement. My two boys love being outside. That being said they both have old iphones they can play on when on long trips. They asked me the other day if they could get facebook. Phones were immediately taken away and haven't given them back yet. We watched the news together the other morning and my youngest looked at me with the most sincere face and asked me " Why do people think guns kill people?" I was at a loss for words. He is 8 BTW
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Old 02-16-2018, 12:21 PM   #19
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This is the right plan. I let my toddler kids, tiny little 3 year old kids, handle my guns when they were not stored safely away. By the time they were 7, 8, I'd ask if they wanted to see them and they'd say no. The curiosity was gone. They knew what they were, they had used many of them or watched me use them, and were no longer fascinated by them.

I couldn't grind the grins off their faces when they were little.

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I think each kid is different.. My son is 18 and was raised with them and he has been hunting and fishing with me since he was in diapers. BUT.. even at 18 I have to keep them under lock and key, because he will drag them out, take them out without asking, take mine out, load them and forget they are loaded, drive around with them in his car, get a bb pistol and drive around acting like an idiot showing it off, etc.


I've been burned too many times with my son, and they will never be out or unlocked due to his impulsiveness. Literally the last straw was just in October he found the key I had hidden and took out my AR and shot up all of of my expensive hunting ammo for it.. I told him.. the next step I take is I will sell his shotgun and both of his rifles.. and he will never have firearm while he lives in my house.
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This is the right plan. I let my toddler kids, tiny little 3 year old kids, handle my guns when they were not stored safely away. By the time they were 7, 8, I'd ask if they wanted to see them and they'd say no. The curiosity was gone. They knew what they were, they had used many of them or watched me use them, and were no longer fascinated by them.

I couldn't grind the grins off their faces when they were little.

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Old 02-16-2018, 01:42 PM   #22
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Oh yeah my kids are for sure going to be exposed to firearms in a positive way and early. My dad taught me to reload when I was about 8. He bought gun powder by the 20 pound keg. Could you imagine what some kids would do with that? Like others have said once they start bringing friends over is hard to maintain security.


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Old 02-16-2018, 01:52 PM   #23
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My family hunted from the time I can remember. Like mentioned above, I'm from a lil rural town where we'd have gun racks in our trucks in the school parking lots with guns in them. My son started hunting this year, and my girl will in a few years. I have enough weapons and ammo in my home to fight off a zombie ISIS invasion. Having said that, all my guns are locked up and only my wife and I know how to get in. My son may never know how to get to my guns. He'll have his own some day, he has the hunting addiction for sure.
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Old 02-16-2018, 01:53 PM   #24
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I grew up being able to access guns and ammo anytime I wanted. I have three daughters 11, 7 and 3. The older two have been taught gun safety laws and I take them on shooting sessions. All my guns are locked up. I have a shotgun in a shotlock and a pistol in a button access locker. Everything else is in a safe. None are accessible. I'm not always home. I don't know who maybe having a play date or sleep over and I don't want half the adults I know to pick up one of my firearms.
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Old 02-16-2018, 01:58 PM   #25
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Same as others have said, I was born and raised around them.

That being said, I never had access to the safe until I was 16. By that age, my dad was comfortable with me going out to the gun range with friends and their parents or us going hunting before/after school and probably mainly he was tired of having to go get my guns for me when I wanted to go hunt.
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Old 02-16-2018, 02:10 PM   #26
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People more desire the things they do not or can not have.

Why hide and lock up the guns and ammo instead of teaching your children how to be responsible with them? You were allowed them but I'm pretty sure you were taught how to handle them properly, and the destructive power they contain. Why deny your children the same opportunity?

Kids haven't changed, what they are taught in terms of responsibility has.
We can teach our kids the same way we were taught, but to assume another kid that comes into your house is responsible with them is just being ignorant. We were taught the right way to handle them, to respect guns and that they can harm you the minute you donít respect them. We were taught that. Never assume someone else has . If you have kids and they have friends come over you should lock them away in a safe.
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Old 02-16-2018, 02:18 PM   #27
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I raised mine like I was raised. Guns were never locked up. They were treated like any other tool. My kids knew what they were and what they were for.

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Old 02-16-2018, 06:34 PM   #28
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Teach them but still keep them locked!


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Old 02-16-2018, 07:12 PM   #29
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First recorded murder was with a rock
Cain killed Able
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Old 02-16-2018, 07:18 PM   #30
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First recorded murder was with a rock
Cain killed Able
Look up Sima de los Huesos. Scientist found what they believe is the first (perhaps oldest is a better term) know murder victim. Approx 430,000 years ago. Probably with a rock also.


On a more serious note. I plan to raise my daughter like I was raised with regards to fire arms. We do have a couple in the house that are loaded as a precaution against break ins but the rest are locked in the safe. I too was brought up with a shotgun and rifle in the gun rack of my truck at high school as we usually went hunting after. Different times though......


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It depends on the kids. But you also have to consider other kids that visit your house.
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It depends on the kids. But you also have to consider other kids that visit your house.
Now that's something I'd never considered. Thank you for that.
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Old 02-17-2018, 08:59 AM   #33
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Kids are different. I can load every firearm in the house, lay them out of the floor and turn my daughter loose. She wouldn't do more than step over them. She knows what they are, and what they can do. She also knows that they aren't toys. She's 7 and it's been like that forever. My son is 3 and knows you don't play with them. He loves them though. Both are after me to teach them to shoot.
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