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Old 02-15-2018, 09:21 AM   #1
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Default Progression from a .243?????

My oldest boy is outgrowing his youth model .243. I'm gonna hand it down to his little brother and move him into a standard sized rifle. I could buy another .243, but would like to try something different. My question is this...What is the best option?? Keeping in mind, he is 11 and I would prefer to keep recoil low. Most likely not trying to shoot past 200-300 yards. Primarily for deer and hogs. Would like to be able to easily find ammunition. Also, must be a bolt gun. He hunts in the Texas youth hunt program, so no AR's
What is your opinion?? Would a 308 with a brake be to harsh on the recoil??

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Old 02-15-2018, 09:26 AM   #2
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Hate to throw the usual out there but 6.5 creedmoor with no break needed. Factory ammo, accurate, and little recoil. Be a good gun for a long time to.
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Old 02-15-2018, 09:28 AM   #3
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What about the program does not allow ARs?

6.5 Grendel is an awesome cartridge for what you are looking for.

The 6.5CM and .308 also check the boxes.
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Old 02-15-2018, 09:32 AM   #4
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Default Progression from a .243?????

Not sure what your budget is but a mod 70 feather weight in 7mm-08 would be right up you alley. Better performance than the .243 but milder on recoil than a .308. Also ammo is readily available almost anywhere. And would be a nice classy rifle that will last his lifetime.

Also I would avoid a brake if at all possible they are super loud and have been known to cause flinching from the concussion. Buy him some reduced recoil loads or load some mild loads for a couple years if needed to let him get more size to him to handle the full power loads with no issues.

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Old 02-15-2018, 09:34 AM   #5
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Old 02-15-2018, 09:35 AM   #6
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Old 02-15-2018, 09:36 AM   #7
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I vote 7mm 08 or a 25-06 with the latter being my first choice.


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Old 02-15-2018, 09:43 AM   #8
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What about the program does not allow ARs?

6.5 Grendel is an awesome cartridge for what you are looking for.

The 6.5CM and .308 also check the boxes.
They don't allow AR's and most of the hunts only allow single feeding.
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Old 02-15-2018, 10:01 AM   #9
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Another vote for 7mm-08.

And I have one for sale in the classifieds. Remington model 7

http://discussions.texasbowhunter.co...ghlight=7mm-08

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Old 02-15-2018, 10:07 AM   #10
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Old 02-15-2018, 10:11 AM   #11
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7mm-08 would be great with lots of loads available. Great shooter with very little recoil and good range.
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Old 02-15-2018, 10:13 AM   #12
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7-08. I gave two. My kids grew up on them and still love them.
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Old 02-15-2018, 10:15 AM   #13
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3006 And reduced recoil loads. Then he is set forever
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Old 02-15-2018, 10:18 AM   #14
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My son went from a 223 to a heavy dpms ar 10 in 308. No kick and very accurate. But since thats not an option, 6.5 creedmoor or 260 with a muzzlebrake. No kick whatsoever and accurate as can be. My daughter shoots the 6.5 and now my son shoots a 260, both with muzzlebrakes
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Old 02-15-2018, 10:24 AM   #15
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I've looked into this same issue recently. I found the following calibers were consistently recommended:

6.5 Grendel
6.5 Creedmoor
7mm08
25-06
260

I don't think you can go wrong with any of them. All calibers will kill them equally dead at the ranges you are talking about. And they all should have manageable recoil for your son. I could be mistaken, but I think ammo availability and price will be somewhat consistent for all of them (although I feel like the 6.5 Grendel is not quite as available off the shelf as the others).

I ended up getting the 6.5 Creedmoor and the 7mm08. I have had no problem finding ammo for $20-$30 a box at the local Academy and Walmart.

The 308 you mentioned has the best ammo availability, but for some reason I could never get really excited about it.

Just to throw it out there, I got a 270 when I was 12 in a Winchester Model 70 Featherweight. I still have that rifle and it is my favorite rifle I own. While its not as popular or hot a caliber as some of the new ones out there, it is a great caliber and very versatile. I never had any trouble with the recoil.
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Old 02-15-2018, 10:45 AM   #16
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My oldest boy is outgrowing his youth model .243. I'm gonna hand it down to his little brother and move him into a standard sized rifle. I could buy another .243, but would like to try something different. My question is this...What is the best option?? Keeping in mind, he is 11 and I would prefer to keep recoil low. Most likely not trying to shoot past 200-300 yards. Primarily for deer and hogs. Would like to be able to easily find ammunition. Also, must be a bolt gun. He hunts in the Texas youth hunt program, so no AR's
What is your opinion?? Would a 308 with a brake be to harsh on the recoil??

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I hate to say it 6.5 CM is the best choice for this, or 7-08. 243 is too similar to 25-06 and 6.5 grendel. 308 has significantly more recoil.
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Old 02-15-2018, 10:53 AM   #17
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My 15 year old went from a .243 to a 7-08 Remington 700 and loves it.
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Old 02-15-2018, 10:55 AM   #18
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260 Rem, 6.5 Creedmoor, 6.5x55, 7-08
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Old 02-15-2018, 10:59 AM   #19
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Old 02-15-2018, 11:22 AM   #20
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At 16 yrs. of age, my son wanted a deer rifle for hunting - he was a TYHP member then, also. I bought him a Remington 783 in .308 Winchester, and that is all he has ever used for a hunting rifle (deer and hogs). He is small and wiry at 5'5" and 130 lbs., and has never had a problem with the piece. We mainly use 150 gr. Core Lokt (Remington) ammo, and he has never complained about recoil or noise. A TBH member had the same rifle on sale in the Classified section recently - cheap too.

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Old 02-15-2018, 11:36 AM   #21
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My 10 year old made the jump from a 243 to a 6.5 Creedmoor. He will shoot a 308 and has shot one on many occasions. He prefers the 6.5. Its a prettier gun. He is a small 10 year old and the 6.5 he said was actually easier on him than his 243.
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Old 02-15-2018, 11:39 AM   #22
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Old 02-15-2018, 11:42 AM   #23
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I'd vote 6.5CM or 7mm-08 if you really want to change, and I understand the desire to try something new.
But, is there really anything wrong with the .243 for the ranges you described?
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Old 02-15-2018, 11:42 AM   #24
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I hate to say it 6.5 CM is the best choice for this, or 7-08. 243 is too similar to 25-06 and 6.5 grendel. 308 has significantly more recoil.
.25-06 similar?
recoil is quite a bit more than .243, closer to .308 and .270 than a .243
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Old 02-15-2018, 11:46 AM   #25
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Keeping in mind, he is 11 and I would prefer to keep recoil low.
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270 with a heavier barrel could work. Recoil is not just about the caliber, but the weight of the rifle matters a lot. Matters more than you would think. For example, I bought my girlfriend a 300 win mag with a big old heavy barrel... the recoil isn't too much different from my grandpa's old pre-64 featherweight 270. Definitely not unmanageable or enough to make her flinch. The shot has to move the rifle before it hits your shoulder.

Or, like some of the others have said, 6.5 Creedmoor is a solid option. For some reason, 6.5mm seems to be a ballistic sweet spot out to longer ranges. I have a 6.5 Grendel in AR platform, and I love it. I know you said you don't expect for him to be shooting more than 200-300, but need some room to grow right?
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Old 02-15-2018, 11:47 AM   #26
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My oldest boy is outgrowing his youth model .243. I'm gonna hand it down to his little brother and move him into a standard sized rifle. I could buy another .243, but would like to try something different. My question is this...What is the best option?? Keeping in mind, he is 11 and I would prefer to keep recoil low. Most likely not trying to shoot past 200-300 yards. Primarily for deer and hogs. Would like to be able to easily find ammunition. Also, must be a bolt gun. He hunts in the Texas youth hunt program, so no AR's
What is your opinion?? Would a 308 with a brake be to harsh on the recoil??

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just stick with the .243 in a standard size.
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Old 02-15-2018, 11:50 AM   #27
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Both my sons shoot the 308 they are not bad Hornady makes a light magnum load in 150 grain and its is deadly
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Old 02-15-2018, 12:02 PM   #28
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6.5 Creedmoor, 7-08 or 25-06. Or just keep him the 243.


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Old 02-15-2018, 12:24 PM   #29
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At 11 one of my boys was shooting 7-08 and the other a 270. Both lite weight rifles without brakes.
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Old 02-15-2018, 12:25 PM   #30
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Had a buddy that put his 10 year old in a .308, shot reduced recoil ammo till he could work up to regular ammo. Worked well for him. Until recently I would have been on the 7mm-08 wagon, but it seems the 6.5CM has somewhat stolen the thunder. I just went to a 6.5CM myself for my light recoil gun, but will be adding a suppressor as well. Someday my grandson will have the gun. Most of the chamberings mentioned in this thread so far would not be bad choices, as would the suggestion to retain the .243.

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.25-06 similar?
recoil is quite a bit more than .243, closer to .308 and .270 than a .243
I know that it can seem that way shooting heavy .270s vs. youth .243s, but if you believe the ballistics actually support this claim, please post some numbers.

From a quick check on standard loads, recoil energy in ft/lbs... .243:12, 25-06:14, and .270:19.5

But I actually wasn't saying they were similar in terms of recoil - they shoot bullets of similar size... and much smaller than .308/.270 bullets.
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Old 02-15-2018, 12:38 PM   #32
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Old 02-15-2018, 12:43 PM   #33
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Old 02-15-2018, 12:46 PM   #34
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is 6.5 cm or .260 ammo easy to come by?
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Old 02-15-2018, 01:11 PM   #35
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is 6.5 cm or .260 ammo easy to come by?
6.5cm yes, 260 not so much. Neither as easy as 7-08 by the way the ballistics of 7-08 are better than 6.5cm but its not as "cool" as the 6.5cm.
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6.5cm yes, 260 not so much. Neither as easy as 7-08 by the way the ballistics of 7-08 are better than 6.5cm but its not as "cool" as the 6.5cm.


Iím no 6.5 CM fan but why do you say 7-08 ballistics are better?


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6.5cm yes, 260 not so much. Neither as easy as 7-08 by the way the ballistics of 7-08 are better than 6.5cm but its not as "cool" as the 6.5cm.
Better? How?


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I’m no 6.5 CM fan but why do you say 7-08 ballistics are better?


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Also, Midway lists 43 6.5 CM ammo choices and only 33 for 7mm-08, which just ekes out 260 Rem with 32. Given the skyrocketing popularity of 6.5 CM, most would expect that gap to only get wider in the next couple of years.

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Old 02-15-2018, 03:34 PM   #38
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All three of my kids cut their teeth on Mohawk 600 ( of course) in 243. They had leupold 3x9 vxII and I had a Mohawk 600 in 308 rigged the same way. I was in the stand with them so I just took the 308 instead. After they had shot a few pigs I told them. Kind of sneaky I know.
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Old 02-15-2018, 03:49 PM   #39
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All three of my kids cut their teeth on Mohawk 600 ( of course) in 243. They had leupold 3x9 vxII and I had a Mohawk 600 in 308 rigged the same way. I was in the stand with them so I just took the 308 instead. After they had shot a few pigs I told them. Kind of sneaky I know.
that's just good parenting!!
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Old 02-15-2018, 04:37 PM   #40
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Dang hard to beat a regular old .270 Win. and PLENTY of ammo choices too. Even have managed recoil loads available but likely won't need it. Just shoot 130 grain standard loads and you're good easy to 300 yards with a 1.5 inch high at a hunert... hard to beat it for flat trajectory. There's a real good reason it's been one of the most popular "deer cartridges" for over 50 years... Ain't no need to fix something that ain't broke... If you want to reduce recoil even more, get you a gas operated semi-auto... My mom shot a BAR .270 for years...
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270 with reduced recoil ammo and when he gets bigger just change ammo. Great all around gun
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270 with reduced recoil ammo and when he gets bigger just change ammo. Great all around gun
Totally agree. My wife shoots regular loads and is deadly.

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7mm-08 vote here, but I like short guns
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Old 02-15-2018, 09:28 PM   #44
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270 with reduced recoil ammo and when he gets bigger just change ammo. Great all around gun


I studied this when I was looking to move my oldest up from 243.

270 reduced recoil actually carry less kinetic energy than std 243 loads so it is a step back not forward.
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What he said^^^^^

But not in that order
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What he said^^^^^

But not in that order
What's your order???
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Old 02-15-2018, 11:00 PM   #47
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For this situation (and assuming factory ammo)

7-08
Pick any of the three 6.5ís

At the end of the day you canít go wrong with any of those options. Iíd figure out what gun I want then find what the best deal is. You can pick up a Tikka T3 in 7-08 or 6.5x55 from Eurooptic (or at least you could a few weeks ago) at a really good price.


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Old 02-15-2018, 11:44 PM   #48
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So not much love for the .270 because it’s basic, but it describes your goals perfectly. It’s been deadly on whitetail a for 50 years, easy on the shoulder, a step up from .243, and easy to find ammo.
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Dang hard to beat a regular old .270 Win. and PLENTY of ammo choices too. Even have managed recoil loads available but likely won't need it. Just shoot 130 grain standard loads and you're good easy to 300 yards with a 1.5 inch high at a hunert... hard to beat it for flat trajectory. There's a real good reason it's been one of the most popular "deer cartridges" for over 50 years... Ain't no need to fix something that ain't broke... If you want to reduce recoil even more, get you a gas operated semi-auto... My mom shot a BAR .270 for years...
This. I can’t believe more folks havent recommended a 270. I started hunting with one at 11. It’s the only rifle he will ever need for Texas hunting.

25-06 and 7mm-08 are good choices too.

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X8 on the creedmoore or 7mm-08
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