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Old 08-10-2017, 11:15 PM   #1
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Anybody on this that works out regularly? I'm just wondering how it works and what the side affects are.


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Old 08-10-2017, 11:21 PM   #2
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Makes me sweat like a mad man when I work out.
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Old 08-10-2017, 11:25 PM   #3
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Gain weight and face breaks out like your 16 years old. Also nonstop morning wood��
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Are y'all taking pills or shots


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Old 08-10-2017, 11:36 PM   #6
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Makes me sweat like a mad man when I work out.


How old are you?

I guess I should have asked this in the original post.


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Old 08-10-2017, 11:37 PM   #7
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I do the pellets, testopel, have a minor procedure done once every 3-4 months.

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Old 08-10-2017, 11:56 PM   #8
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All "side effects" are good from my experiences. If you manage it right and take it correctly as far as mm's taken per week, nothing bad will come from it. You'll gain strength and size if your consistent with shots and gym time. The breakouts bad side effects wont happen if you get good quality stuff and the rest is history. Be very cautious as to where it comes from.
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Old 08-11-2017, 12:02 AM   #9
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I did this process, and would up in the hospital, with a high blood count, 6weeks of treatment, so word up keep getting regular blood test
Can cause other major health problems
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All "side effects" are good from my experiences. If you manage it right and take it correctly as far as mm's taken per week, nothing bad will come from it. You'll gain strength and size if your consistent with shots and gym time. The breakouts bad side effects wont happen if you get good quality stuff and the rest is history. Be very cautious as to where it comes from.

and yes.......horn dog allllll the time!!


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Old 08-11-2017, 12:29 AM   #11
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Any issues with the pellets?
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Old 08-11-2017, 12:38 AM   #12
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Any issues with the pellets?
The only issue I have ran into is my insurance at work changed this year and they don't want to cover the procedure anymore..........they will still cover the medicine though so I don't know how the heck I'm supposed to use them anymore. I guess I'm stuck with having to do weekly injections now.
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Old 08-11-2017, 12:49 AM   #13
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Old 08-11-2017, 03:52 AM   #15
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Do you just go to your regular dr to get levels tested?
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Old 08-11-2017, 04:12 AM   #16
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Yes, ask for it via your primary care doc, and don't let him talk you out of it. My PCP was belly aching about it, I bluntly told him I want to know my test levels........and I was way low. He was pretty apologetic to me afterwards. And have your Vitamin D levels checked with it. Vit D helps with Test production.

Also, if you are low but by trying to maintain fertility or have plans to try and have a child do not do any TRT! There are other drugs you can take like clomid (as in my case). TRT can make you infertile while you are undergoing treatment, and can take 6-8months for your swimmer count to return to preTRT levels. (Happend to my brother, PCP didn't take that into account and it took awhile for them to conceive).

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Old 08-11-2017, 04:20 AM   #17
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Yes, ask for it via your primary care doc, and don't let him talk you out of it. My PCP was belly aching about it, I bluntly told him I want to know my test levels........and I was way low. He was pretty apologetic to me afterwards. And have your Vitamin D levels checked with it. Vit D helps with Test production.
Thanks, so once your tested and if you do come back low I'm guessing you are referred to another dr for treatment? Or does primary care take care of all of it? I've been wanting to get checked out for a while now, just never really knew how it worked.
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Old 08-11-2017, 05:08 AM   #18
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Thanks, so once your tested and if you do come back low I'm guessing you are referred to another dr for treatment? Or does primary care take care of all of it? I've been wanting to get checked out for a while now, just never really knew how it worked.
I go to a Urologist that specializes in TRT. I get a more up to date and better quality of care than though a PCP. My PCP wanted to start injections, but that is last thing I need right now. He would have messed me up for a while. (Like my brother)
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Kinda funny that this was the first thread I saw this morning. I'm going today for a follow up to last weeks blood test and my testosterone level was the first thing the nurse mentioned when she called the other day. Guess I'll see what it's all about.......
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Old 08-11-2017, 06:00 AM   #20
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Testopel here too. I'm 44.

I love it. Makes me feel alive again and not a non energetic narcoleptic. Plus, it kicks in the sex drive like a mofo for me. I can throw double headers again. I don't have any side effects.

It does take a bit to find the right dosage so be patient if don't feel like superman immediately.

Insurance can be a pain in the butt about it. Ironically testopel is the one drug mine covers. I usually have to fight tooth and nail for everything. Oh and like someone said, I'd go to a urologist before my PCP. My urologist has me on a set schedule of blood work afterwards. Plus most insurances won't authorize it until you get below 300 again.

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Old 08-11-2017, 06:21 AM   #21
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Mine was 325. 51 and Dr didn't offer to put me on it.
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Old 08-11-2017, 08:16 AM   #22
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I got mine checked at age 70 annual physical and was at 730. My Dr. said I had nothing to worry about and did not need any treatment.
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Old 08-11-2017, 08:29 AM   #23
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I'm 58 and my level was at 526 which is in the lower third of the acceptable range according to my PCP. He said I was good and didn't need anything. I may see about a referral to a urologist.
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Old 08-11-2017, 08:30 AM   #24
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I had my T checked a few weeks ago. I'll be 40 in November. My level was 230. Got 12 200 mg pellets implanted. Go back in a month to check level again. Dr. said my level should be around 1000.

Let me tell you what, it took a week to take effect, but I feel like a new man...and my wife has rosy cheeks.

I've been dragging a lot lately...hard to get up in the mornings, low energy, decreased sex drive, etc. I contributed that to wearing myself out pig hunting and staying up too late with my family during the summer and then having to go to work the next day. Nope. My T was way low.

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Old 08-11-2017, 08:38 AM   #25
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Playing devils advocate: If it kills your swimmers, you need to get blood tested, and you breakout like a 13 year old, you have to at least consider that this is not great for you?
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Playing devils advocate: If it kills your swimmers, you need to get blood tested, and you breakout like a 13 year old, you have to at least consider that this is not great for you?


A question they ask you is if you are done having children. We are, so no issue there.

Everyone is different in the "breakout like a 13 year old" deal. I haven't.


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so..if your T is 'too low'... you are supplementing ...
but if you stop supplementing... you crash back to what you were before...
What causes/caused the low T in the first place?
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Old 08-11-2017, 09:00 AM   #28
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Yeah I had it done once. I had the pellet form. I was overseas when I got hit by an IED that caused TBI and it threw all of my hormones off so I went to several doctors and we started with testosterone therapy. Worked great brought me up to 992 score and I sleep regular again
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Been doing it for a couple of years now. Once I hit 55 it was like I hit a wall. Take weekly injection( my wife is more than happy to do it for me) and have no ill effects from it. The key is to take as little as possible to get you back where you need to be. A lot of guys go by the "more is better" method. That's when you get the bad side effects. Also, testosterone therapy will have a tendency to raise your blood cell count so it's' important to give blood ( I do it every 8 weeks). Also, if you're working out hard this will raise your natural test numbers. The key to it is to keep a close eye on it.
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I'm 58 and my level was at 526 which is in the lower third of the acceptable range according to my PCP. He said I was good and didn't need anything. I may see about a referral to a urologist.
526 is not too bad ( mine was 130 when I had it checked). A lot of doctors, once you're in the acceptable range leave it at that. Last time I had mine checked they were 1198 and life is good. I'd see about the referral. I know a lot of GP's that just don't like test therapy. ( These are the same doctors who will put your wife on hormones in a heart beat.)
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Thanks, so once your tested and if you do come back low I'm guessing you are referred to another dr for treatment? Or does primary care take care of all of it? I've been wanting to get checked out for a while now, just never really knew how it worked.
My primary care doctor took care of it. My levels tested VERY low (I am 64 years old). She gave me the first injection right then in the office. She wrote me a script and I went to the office every two weeks. Since then my wife has taken over on doing the injections (her sister is a nurse and taught her).I have not switched to the pellets but it is a consideration.

The affects are amazing and I am so glad that I am on the treatment. My gut roll has dropped by 3 inches yet my weight went up a few pounds. This is a sign of muscle mass replacing fat tissue.
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526 is not too bad ( mine was 130 when I had it checked). A lot of doctors, once you're in the acceptable range leave it at that. Last time I had mine checked they were 1198 and life is good. I'd see about the referral. I know a lot of GP's that just don't like test therapy. ( These are the same doctors who will put your wife on hormones in a heart beat.)
I think mine needs to be higher. I think everyone may feel different even though they're in the acceptable level. It might be a low level for me. I'm in the gym 5 days a week and I think that's what has kept me at the 526 level. I'm tired a lot, no energy, low libido blah blah blah. All of the same symptoms as everyone else.
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Old 08-11-2017, 09:25 AM   #33
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I'm 43. I've been on it for a year and a half and it has been life changing for me! You have to take the anti-estrogen or you'll be a cranky sucker for sure. My free testosterone was next to nothing, estrogen was high, I was 28% body fat, low sex drive. I'm in the gym 5-6 days a week now, free testosterone is through the roof, body fat is down to 13.2%, energy level is high throughout the day without the afternoon lull, and sex drive is fantastic. Make sure you are getting NATURAL testosterone injections, not the synthetic garbage that will mess your body up! It's awesome.... best $225 I spend every month!

Make sure you go to a doctor who does regular blood work to check all of your levels. Some of these places will just shove needles in you without a clue of what you're really needing.

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Old 08-11-2017, 09:26 AM   #34
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Im 34 and my level tested at 290. My PCP sent me to a urologist and I'm starting out on the gel as soon as insurance gets it straight. He said the pellets are best, but not covered by insurance and average about $100 per month, but they last 5-6 months, so $500 - $600 per treatment out of pocket.

I told the wife that I'm going to start out on the gel and put some cash up each month as my 'test' fund. I'd rather do the pellets because the way he described it to me, its a spike then an even keel over time until they eventually have to be replaced instead of the peaks and valleys that are experienced with the gel or shots.

He prescribed the gel as twice daily to help keep it more evened out through the day instead of a high first thing and crash at the end of the day.
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so..if your T is 'too low'... you are supplementing ...
but if you stop supplementing... you crash back to what you were before...
What causes/caused the low T in the first place?
Diet and exercise seem to be two big factors, but old man time certainly plays a role.
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i had my t checked a few weeks ago. I'll be 40 in november. My level was 230. Got 12 200 mg pellets implanted. Go back in a month to check level again. Dr. Said my level should be around 1000.

Let me tell you what, it took a week to take effect, but i feel like a new man...and my wife has rosy cheeks.

i've been dragging a lot lately...hard to get up in the mornings, low energy, decreased sex drive, etc. I contributed that to wearing myself out pig hunting and staying up too late with my family during the summer and then having to go to work the next day. Nope. My t was way low.

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Old 08-11-2017, 10:03 AM   #37
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Playing devils advocate: If it kills your swimmers, you need to get blood tested, and you breakout like a 13 year old, you have to at least consider that this is not great for you?


It beats the crap out of being a narcoleptic zombie.

I'm fixed so my kid days are done. That is one of the things the MD tells you when you start and that it's a permanent option, meaning you will be on it forever.

The blood tests are to make sure the levels are right and you aren't over or under doing it. Once your MD hits the sweet spot, the blood work decreases. Plus most insurance companies require your level to be below 300 to get pellets inserted again. I started when my levels were 190. At the peak of absorption, I am in high 800s to low 900s. I feel like a person again. I don't doze off sitting up and I have energy. I've never broke out from it.

From my standpoint, it's a natural hormone the body produces in our younger years. It's nothing foreign to the body so to speak.

My nuts have probably shrunk, but it just makes them less able to get sit on.
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5-6 years in now on TRT. First test came back with my T level at 170 (I was 36 or 37 at the time). Dr. said, I bet you feel rough! Like others have said, it is life changing for sure. Started with shots, then went to pellets.

After we relocated for work, we found a new pellet dr in our new town. I will call him Dr Dumb*ss, due to him giving me a horrific infection during my pellet procedure. Guess he uses those tools on the farm also? Wife noticed the redness, so I went to see him about it, to which he stated, no big deal, this happens, here's some antibiotics for you to knock that out.

Well, they didn't "knock that out", and I went to my PC dr, who immediately sent me to a surgeon for pellet removal. And by the way, OUCH!! I have a pretty high pain tolerance, but brother, I was testifying in there, big time! My left cheek now looks like I was attacked by a bear, and turns out there was no issue with the pellets whatsoever, merely dirty equipment being used on me. Only positive was that my wife had her pellets done first, without any issues. Had he infected her as well, that would have put me in jail at a minimum......

I am back to weekly injections at this point, as I am not sure if they can shove pellets through all of the scar tissue left over from the extraction procedure. No negative side affects at all for me in the 5-6 years I have been on TRT, excluding the stupid dr of course.

If your wife is at the age of having female hormone issues, take her to a pellet dr for blood work. They do a very thorough panel to check basically everything with this. If she needs pellets, pony up the cash and pay for them suckers immediately! You can thank me later fellows!
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As GARR said, my wife has been going for a year as well.....and it's well worth it!
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GARR you brought up an entirely different subject. How old is your wife? What kinds of hormones is she getting with the pellets? How long has she been doing this kind of treatment?

What is the ongoing cost for weekly injections now that you're on a regular treatment schedule? You said your initial count was 170. What is it now that you receive these regular injections? Thanks in advance. I need to do something.
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Yup. My wife is on the pellets too. Life changing.


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Old 08-11-2017, 11:06 AM   #42
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Makes me sweat like a mad man when I work out.
This for sure!

I have been on Test for 10 years and I work out 5 or 6 days a week. My test level were so low that I was always tired and my quality of life was suffering. You have to balance the test however because if I take too much I get on edge and a little crazy and if I don't take enough I get tired and depressed. I have gotten really good at balancing it on my own and if I know my levels are getting too high I skip a shot and up my shot if they get too low. I have also been doing Deca for the last 3 or 4 years and that helps me stay lean.

You have to take a good estrogen blocker like anastrezol (spelled wrong) or something so that you do not get glynoclamastia or other side effects.
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This for sure!

I have been on Test for 10 years and I work out 5 or 6 days a week. My test level were so low that I was always tired and my quality of life was suffering. You have to balance the test however because if I take too much I get on edge and a little crazy and if I don't take enough I get tired and depressed. I have gotten really good at balancing it on my own and if I know my levels are getting too high I skip a shot and up my shot if they get too low. I have also been doing Deca for the last 3 or 4 years and that helps me stay lean.

You have to take a good estrogen blocker like anastrezol (spelled wrong) or something so that you do not get glynoclamastia or other side effects.
Deca for 3 or 4 years straight???? Or just here and there? That stuff does not do me any favors below the waist!!!! Yikes! Deca is a muscle hardener. Winstrol is a leaner.
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Old 08-11-2017, 11:23 AM   #44
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You have to take a good estrogen blocker like anastrezol (spelled wrong) or something so that you do not get glynoclamastia or other side effects.
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Playing devils advocate: If it kills your swimmers, you need to get blood tested, and you breakout like a 13 year old, you have to at least consider that this is not great for you?
Some studies have shown an increase in risk of heart attack, stroke and prostate cancer.
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Old 08-11-2017, 11:53 AM   #46
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Deca for 3 or 4 years straight???? Or just here and there? That stuff does not do me any favors below the waist!!!! Yikes! Deca is a muscle hardener. Winstrol is a leaner.


Deca **** lol. Back in the day we would always run test with deca or youd be numb down there. Deca would add mass like massive amounts quickly. What use other than bodybuilding does deca serve for men?


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This for sure!

I have been on Test for 10 years and I work out 5 or 6 days a week. My test level were so low that I was always tired and my quality of life was suffering. You have to balance the test however because if I take too much I get on edge and a little crazy and if I don't take enough I get tired and depressed. I have gotten really good at balancing it on my own and if I know my levels are getting too high I skip a shot and up my shot if they get too low. I have also been doing Deca for the last 3 or 4 years and that helps me stay lean.

You have to take a good estrogen blocker like anastrezol (spelled wrong) or something so that you do not get glynoclamastia or other side effects.
Your not very smart. Deca is a weight gaining steroid.

Winstrol will lean you out. No need for an adult to be on either of those steroids as they are not healthy.

DECA for 3-4 years? Wow you wont make 60 lol.

Know many athletes who took winny or deca. My brother took deca and gained 25 lbs on an under 5'11 frame. Face got fat as heck. They both have bad side effects, especially with 3-4 years of use

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GARR you brought up an entirely different subject. How old is your wife? What kinds of hormones is she getting with the pellets? How long has she been doing this kind of treatment?

What is the ongoing cost for weekly injections now that you're on a regular treatment schedule? You said your initial count was 170. What is it now that you receive these regular injections? Thanks in advance. I need to do something.

My wife will be 50 this month, and she also gets testosterone pellet(s), depending on blood test results. She takes a higher dose than her weight calls for, but that is the value of this type treatment. Normally, it is a one size fits all treatment for women. This is specifically tailored to her and her body. Cost for her pellets is $300 a quarter, or $1200 annually, and i would pay a lot more than that for them! It has helped her tremendously over the past 5 years in all aspects of life. Biote pellets by the way.

I stay around the high 700's to low 800's with injections. First round of pellets I was a tad over the 1000 mark. Pellets cost more, and most insurance providers won't cover them unless they have some type of pharmaceutical component included, but for men, it is a biannual treatment, which is much better than a weekly shot. Right now, I pay $15 a week for the shots, or $60 a month. I do them at home, so no dr visit or visit to a T clinic. They are easy to give yourself, unless you have a thing with needles.
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Your not very smart. Deca is a weight gaining steroid.

Winstrol will lean you out. No need for an adult to be on either of those steroids as they are not healthy.

DECA for 3-4 years? Wow you wont make 60 lol.

Know many athletes who took winny or deca. My brother took deca and gained 25 lbs on an under 5'11 frame. Face got fat as heck. They both have bad side effects, especially with 3-4 years of use
Deca can cause bloating for those that are not strict on diet and exercise but for me it helped me increase muscle mass and eliminate a small amount of belly fat. I am on low maintenance levels of test and deca and do not have to cycle on and off like I would if I was on higher levels. I stay on top of all my levels and get blood work done every 3 months, and I donate blood every 2 months. It is not for everyone but works for me.
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So I just turned 40. I have gained weight over the years but here lately I find myself tired and just not motivated to work out. Also the old sex drive has gone down a bit. It sounds like my testosterone has gone down. My girlfriend and I have discussed having kids in the next couple of years. How will this effect that? What is the best option for all of this? There is a Low T center here in San Antonio, should I go there or my primary physician? Thanks for any advice or help.


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