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Old 07-03-2018, 06:48 PM   #51
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I, like most on here do not condone breaking the law. Paying for these water stations with taxpayer money to help keep a human being (legal or not) alive is not in anyway a problem for me. I can understand their thinking of a better life for their families and taking whatever risk to do that. But to hear all the complaining about who is paying for the water is incomprehensible.
Now to drive down through the ghetto or projects and see able bodied men and women living in housing that YOUR tax money paid for and having food stamps that YOUR tax money paid for and getting medical care that YOUR tax money paid for and talking on a cell phone that YOUR tax money paid for is what gets under my skin. These folks wouldn't take a job if you gave it to them.
But to get all riled up over paying for water for ANY human doesn't make sense me one bit.
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Old 07-03-2018, 07:22 PM   #52
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Freaking internet warriors with no first hand experience with dealing with this problem. These are PEOPLE, many of them urbanites who have no idea how to survive in the outdoors, that get lied to and left to fend for themselves by smugglers and human traffickers. They are children and women and young men who are just out of school and like video games just like your kids.

No they don’t belong here. Yes they should be deported, but they don’t deserve to die in the South Texas Brush because you’re angry at the situation.

Next time you see a bunch of buzzards in a tree I want you to think about the thought that goes through some of my friends heads. “I hope it’s not a child”.

Yeah water is a horrible idea.

A—holes.

I’ve seen some pretty disgusting things over the years on this page, but I would think a group of so called Christian men would have more compassion like the book teaches you.
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Old 07-03-2018, 07:32 PM   #53
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Freaking internet warriors with no first hand experience with dealing with this problem. These are PEOPLE, many of them urbanites who have no idea how to survive in the outdoors, that get lied to and left to fend for themselves by smugglers and human traffickers. They are children and women and young men who are just out of school and like video games just like your kids.

No they donít belong here. Yes they should be deported, but they donít deserve to die in the South Texas Brush because youíre angry at the situation.

Next time you see a bunch of buzzards in a tree I want you to think about the thought that goes through some of my friends heads. ďI hope itís not a childĒ.

Yeah water is a horrible idea.

Aóholes.

Iíve seen some pretty disgusting things over the years on this page, but I would think a group of so called Christian men would have more compassion like the book teaches you.


Speaking for myself I donít have to justify my faith to you or any other man on this earth. I have only one person to answer to.

You are speaking out of both sides of your mouth when you say they shouldnít be here yet chastise us for saying the same thing just in a different manner.

And quite frankly their poor choices are not my problem. Hereís another thought
,instead of paying these coyotes and smugglers thousands of dollars to get to into this country illegally how about to try to fix the problems in your own **** hole country. Or spend the same money coming into this country legally.


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Old 07-03-2018, 07:37 PM   #54
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maybe they need to put maps with directions at the water stations too. Back to where they came from. Come legally if you meet the criteria quit breaking the law and costing the tax payers all this money.
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Old 07-03-2018, 07:40 PM   #55
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It is my understanding that the church & volunteers support them down this way...it most certainly not being done by BP as a way to attempt capture.

I passed two fellas carrying empty milk jugs on 755 last year looking pretty rough...I slowed down, honked & left some water on the shoulder for them. They immediately turned around. I booked it & ran into a BP not too far down the road, told him what happened and I'm pretty sure they were wanting to get caught with their current condition.
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Old 07-03-2018, 07:45 PM   #56
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Man, some of yall are cruel no matter how you try to justify it. I see guys on here asking for prayers when their dog is sick, but they don't mind if a HUMAN dies of thirst.
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Old 07-03-2018, 08:02 PM   #57
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Speaking for myself I don’t have to justify my faith to you or any other man on this earth. I have only one person to answer to.

You are speaking out of both sides of your mouth when you say they shouldn’t be here yet chastise us for saying the same thing just in a different manner.

And quite frankly their poor choices are not my problem. Here’s another thought
,instead of paying these coyotes and smugglers thousands of dollars to get to into this country illegally how about to try to fix the problems in your own **** hole country. Or spend the same money coming into this country legally.


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Hypocrite. You don’t have to justify your faith to me, but you **** sure are going to get judged for your opinion based on what you claim to believe.
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Old 07-03-2018, 08:30 PM   #58
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I can promise there isn't one person on this site that would not have done the same as I did that day if you had seen their condition...I'm certain BP saved their lives as there is no way they were heading back into the sticks with the only 5 water bottles I had left in the truck. They were done.

I don't think many of them realize how perilous the journey can be...they were only about 60 miles north of the rio, walking on the hwy wanting to get picked up at that point.
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Old 07-03-2018, 08:42 PM   #59
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I, like most on here do not condone breaking the law. Paying for these water stations with taxpayer money to help keep a human being (legal or not) alive is not in anyway a problem for me. I can understand their thinking of a better life for their families and taking whatever risk to do that. But to hear all the complaining about who is paying for the water is incomprehensible.
Now to drive down through the ghetto or projects and see able bodied men and women living in housing that YOUR tax money paid for and having food stamps that YOUR tax money paid for and getting medical care that YOUR tax money paid for and talking on a cell phone that YOUR tax money paid for is what gets under my skin. These folks wouldn't take a job if you gave it to them.
But to get all riled up over paying for water for ANY human doesn't make sense me one bit.
I feel the same.
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Old 07-03-2018, 09:42 PM   #60
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Watering stations??? Surely no such conspiracy exists!!
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Old 07-03-2018, 09:48 PM   #61
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I was heading back from the LLM last weekend and somewhere between the Yturria ranch and the checkpoint there were multiple water stations labeled "AGUA" with a big white flag flying stating the same. Is this taxpayer funded? Are we as a country encouraging illegals to cross over by providing water for them? I have a strong opinion about this, but I want to hear what you guys think.
Yes we are encouraging them ( at least our politicians and those that knowingly hire them are)
They knowing hire criminals to sneak them in. They knowingly place their children in harm's way.
And we save them from their terrible situations and what do we get? People who don't appreciate this country enough to fly an American flag, don't appreciate it enough to learn English. Don't appreciate it enough to abide by our laws. Europe has the same problem.
The situation they come from is no doubt terrible but encouraging them to do these things
Is just as bad as the coyote taking advantage of them.
I don't mind seeing water stations with an agua sign but I do mind seeing vote here signs in Spanish.

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Old 07-03-2018, 10:02 PM   #62
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For those that think it's expensive to set up drinking water stations (and I have no idea if these stations being discussed are tax payer funded), you should see the medical bills incured when someone is treated for heat stroke.
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The other thing fail to realize is that watering stations save livestock and wildlife watering system from damage.
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Old 07-03-2018, 10:09 PM   #64
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Hypocrite. You donít have to justify your faith to me, but you **** sure are going to get judged for your opinion based on what you claim to believe.


Liberal

And Iím sure I will be judged on my day. But thatís between me and Him. Nothing for you to worry your pretty little head about.


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Old 07-03-2018, 10:27 PM   #65
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Playa- ur the one who needs to get some d... perspective. To begin with, this is an open forum, and I'll state any d... thing I please. And secondly, they come over here and rob, rape, and murder u s citizens. Let em stay in their own d... country and do that crap. And thirdly, yeah, I'm gonna put up a bow stand on one of them water holes if I ever see one.
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Old 07-03-2018, 10:33 PM   #66
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Playa- ur the one who needs to get some d... perspective. To begin with, this is an open forum, and I'll state any d... thing I please. And secondly, they come over here and rob, rape, and murder u s citizens. Let em stay in their own d... country and do that crap. And thirdly, yeah, I'm gonna put up a bow stand on one of them water holes if I ever see one.
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Old 07-03-2018, 10:42 PM   #67
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Is that where we are? Youíre a liberal if you donít want people to die of heatstroke in the desert.

ROFL.
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Old 07-03-2018, 10:55 PM   #68
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Here is another bit of information.... Watering stations are not new or a recent development. They were everywhere in Arizona in the early 2000's when I was detailed there. One of the weekends it got hotter than I though would ever be possible. Temps peaking out at 120 out in the desert. Any skin exposed to the sun felt like it was in an oven. There were 17 bodies recovered over a weekend. Who knows how many more perished but were just not found.
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Old 07-04-2018, 12:59 AM   #69
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What's 1 more magnet?
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Old 07-04-2018, 06:18 AM   #70
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I wonder if we set up watering stations for the Indians or did we just tell them to go back to their own d.. country?
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I wonder if we set up watering stations for the Indians or did we just tell them to go back to their own d.. country?
Bet that sounded better in your head.
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Still can’t get over the people that don’t live in the real world on here. Against WATER stations. SMH.
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Old 07-04-2018, 08:35 AM   #73
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Still canít get over the people that donít live in the real world on here. Against WATER stations. SMH.
You're not against illegal immigration and methods for enabling it?

I would figure someone as enlightened as you would be more upset at the choices people make to commit crimes that knowingly put their lives and the lives of the people with them at risk.
But instead..you focus on those that disagree with enabling that crime.
Thats odd.

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Old 07-04-2018, 09:03 AM   #74
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If these water stations are so great, then we should start putting them in Mexico, and Central America for the folks making the trek through there. And the Syrians, they need water too they are in a sand box for Christ sake, and their politicians are corrupt. What about the Cubans coming over by boats, maybe we set up a water/shade island in the Gulf. And the Iranians, they need water and money.

You got to appreciate the irony in a bunch of socialist running their country into the ground through greed and corruption then using that as an excuse to break into a capitalist country, to suck from the tiddies of freedom.

And last. Can we please stop acting like its all women and kids making a thousand mile journey through the desert?


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Old 07-04-2018, 09:12 AM   #75
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You're not against illegal immigration and methods for enabling it?

I would figure someone as enlightened as you would be more upset at the choices people make to commit crimes that knowingly put their lives and the lives of the people with them at risk.
But instead..you focus on those that disagree with enabling that crime.
Thats odd.
Water stations donít enable it. They stop people from dying in areas where there is no potable water. They were coming before water stations. They are coming after. The only thing that water stations enables is a chance at life instead of death. Dead people donít learn lessons.

These arenít lemonade stands.

They are willing to risk death to come here and get a job. You think immigration law matters to people that desperate? Enabling crime... give me a break.
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I fail too see watering stations as "magnets" or enabling illegal immigrants.
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Old 07-04-2018, 09:36 AM   #77
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Is that where we are? Youíre a liberal if you donít want people to die of heatstroke in the desert.



ROFL.


The liberal part is using emotion in your argument and then slamming Christian faith of people who think differently.

It sucks that people die coming here. But thatís the choice they made to come here illegally and choices have consequences. Sometimes it works out, sometimes it doesnít. Thatís been my argument the whole time. Do it legally or deal with the consequences.


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Old 07-04-2018, 09:44 AM   #78
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The liberal part is us emotion in your argument and then slamming Christian faith of people who think differently.

It sucks that people die coming here. But that’s the choice they made to come here illegally and choices have consequences. Sometimes it works out, sometimes it doesn’t. That’s been my argument the whole time. Do it legally or deal with the consequences.


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When did I give you credit for thinking? If I did, I apologize that was certainly not my intention.

No one with a single thought in their head would think giving water to a person dying of thirst was a bad idea.

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Water stations donít enable it. They stop people from dying in areas where there is no potable water. They were coming before water stations. They are coming after. The only thing that water stations enables is a chance at life instead of death. Dead people donít learn lessons.

These arenít lemonade stands.

They are willing to risk death to come here and get a job. You think immigration law matters to people that desperate? Enabling crime... give me a break.
You're drunk, arent you.
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Old 07-04-2018, 03:01 PM   #80
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Just replace the water stations with signs that read "NO WATER FOR THE NEXT 500 MILES---------TURN AROUND AND GO HOME OR YOU WILL DIE!"

Signs should be in Spanish, Arabic and English.

There, all fixed!
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Fine with water stations as long as it’s groups funding it and not tax payer money.

Sit over them like feeders and take them back as they come.
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Old 07-04-2018, 04:41 PM   #82
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Water stations donít enable it. They stop people from dying in areas where there is no potable water. They were coming before water stations. They are coming after. The only thing that water stations enables is a chance at life instead of death. Dead people donít learn lessons.

These arenít lemonade stands.

They are willing to risk death to come here and get a job. You think immigration law matters to people that desperate? Enabling crime... give me a break.
Not coming to get a job, theyíre coming so you and I will take care of them
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Old 07-04-2018, 05:48 PM   #83
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I can get pretty worked up about a lot but I just canít find it in me to do it about water stations.

Itís one thing if BP canít set up over it, itís another if they canít figure out what path they might take 1/2 mile out.
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Old 07-04-2018, 05:57 PM   #84
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The ones we have down here are those big blue 55gal drums with bottled water stored inside...there is also a 20ft pole next to them with the red cross flag at the top to help them spot I guess.

In all my travels, I have never seen anyone service them much less an illegal at one looking for water or BP sitting over one in the hopes of catching. Again, said to be supported by the church & volunteers & not any local, state of fed govt. monies.
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Old 07-04-2018, 06:00 PM   #85
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I dont mind the water stations - I do mind Border Patrol or anyone else being told not to detain any illegal immigrant while at the station.
I'm confused where that notion started. I don't think thats a real thing.

They put them at locations where BP travels frequently for a reason.

The border patrol can arrest an individual who is in this county illegally wherever they may be found.

I can't imagine that a volunteer organization gets to choose where federal law officers get to exercise their power.

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Maybe they could double their efforts and send clean water to Flint, MI
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Not coming to get a job, theyíre coming so you and I will take care of them
The ones that come over here are looking for work. Their kids born here are the problem.
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The ones that come over here are looking for work. Their kids born here are the problem.
Like I said, theyíre coming over here so you and I can take care of them
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They are human beings, not wild animals, get some perspective.

I donít support illegal immigration, but I also wonít tolerate the discussion of murdering them.
Thank you!!

This attitude makes me sick.
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Thank you!!

This attitude makes me sick.
As far as I’m concerned this attitude is what is decaying our nation, not immigrants, gays, Baptist, gun owners, or liberals, or insert any other group of choice. It is the dehumanizing of a groups in order to justify the hatred in one’s heart towards another group. That you are somehow better than another human.

Categorically there is no difference between ANTIFA and this notion of murdering illegals. Or cause a group of me. To board a plane and crash into a building of unsuspecting folks, or for someone to shoot up a school, church or workplace. Same belief, same internal justification, only the players of the roles change

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Murdering? C'mon man
Technically, they are committing suicide.

They know the risk.
They know they are breaking the law. They are making a conscious choice to risk their lives.
Not a single American citizen or legal resident is committing 'murder'.
The consequences for their choice are their own.
Stop the weak *** attempts at guilt shaming.
No one wants humans to die.. but we are not responsible for the risks they take because they wont deal with issues in their own country.
And we arent responsible for assisting and insuring safe illegal passage into a country with immigration laws and borders.
In fact..im pretty sure, thats illegal as well.
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Murdering? C'mon man
Technically, they are committing suicide.

They know the risk.
They know they are breaking the law. They are making a conscious choice to risk their lives.
Not a single American citizen or legal resident is committing 'murder'.
The consequences for their choice are their own.
Stop the weak *** attempts at guilt shaming.
No one wants humans to die.. but we are not responsible for the risks they take because they wont deal with issues in their own country.
And we arent responsible for assisting and insuring safe illegal passage into a country with immigration laws and borders.
In fact..im pretty sure, thats illegal as well.
I have stayed out of this one but that was well said.
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Murdering? C'mon man
Technically, they are committing suicide.

They know the risk.
They know they are breaking the law. They are making a conscious choice to risk their lives.
Not a single American citizen or legal resident is committing 'murder'.
The consequences for their choice are their own.
Stop the weak *** attempts at guilt shaming.
No one wants humans to die.. but we are not responsible for the risks they take because they wont deal with issues in their own country.
And we arent responsible for assisting and insuring safe illegal passage into a country with immigration laws and borders.
In fact..im pretty sure, thats illegal as well.
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Murdering? C'mon man
Technically, they are committing suicide.

They know the risk.
They know they are breaking the law. They are making a conscious choice to risk their lives.
Not a single American citizen or legal resident is committing 'murder'.
The consequences for their choice are their own.
Stop the weak *** attempts at guilt shaming.
No one wants humans to die.. but we are not responsible for the risks they take because they wont deal with issues in their own country.
And we arent responsible for assisting and insuring safe illegal passage into a country with immigration laws and borders.
In fact..im pretty sure, thats illegal as well.
I’m not speaking about illegals that die of natural causes, I’m speaking directly to the one or ones who think it’s cute to joke about setting up a stand on the watering hole. Shooting a human who poses no immediate threat to you is murder, whether they have a legal or illegal status. I don’t think the taking of a human life is a joking matter under any circumstances. And there was no attempt at guilt shaming.

Otherwise I agree with your post.
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Murdering? C'mon man
Technically, they are committing suicide.

They know the risk.
They know they are breaking the law. They are making a conscious choice to risk their lives.
Not a single American citizen or legal resident is committing 'murder'.
The consequences for their choice are their own.
Stop the weak *** attempts at guilt shaming.
No one wants humans to die.. but we are not responsible for the risks they take because they wont deal with issues in their own country.
And we arent responsible for assisting and insuring safe illegal passage into a country with immigration laws and borders.
In fact..im pretty sure, thats illegal as well.
So are people that text while driving or drink & drive. I guess we should not render aide to them when they get in an accident either?? People that over dose on drugs, same boat no medical attention for them either?? Add speed demons to this list??

I think most people don't support the illegal entry of people no matter what the reason might be for said illegal entry. I don't think most humans have an issue with providing water for someone dying of dehydration. Just because someone agrees with providing them water does not mean they support their illegal entry. Just my $ .02.
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Iím not speaking about illegals that die of natural causes, Iím speaking directly to the one or ones who think itís cute to joke about setting up a stand on the watering hole. Shooting a human who poses no immediate threat to you is murder, whether they have a legal or illegal status. I donít think the taking of a human life is a joking matter under any circumstances. And there was no attempt at guilt shaming.

Otherwise I agree with your post.
1) Trust me, the 1st one you hear about getting shot from a deer stand on the news, isn't the 1st one shot - it's just the 1st one you'll hear about on the news...

2) sss didn't originate on the GS....

3) ...and if you think its only white ranch owners doing it down south, you'd be wrong...very wrong.
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There is a reason that I don't take my family 50 miles offshore in a 16' flat bottom, with no life jackets, no form of communication and no flare gun, but if I did and will all died then that would be totally my fault now wouldn't it?
I won't ever do that because ITS A VERY BAD IDEA/CHOICE AND WE COULD and probably would ALL DIE..

Taking the chance, breaking the law and crossing our border illegally, with the soul intentions of leaching off of our system, is no different.. Life is full of choices.. They are not being forced over here.. Its a choice they make. A risk they choose to take...
There are plenty that will not ever leave Mexico because they love there home country..
We should not be doing ANYTHING to make it easier or more appealing to the ones that choose to.. That is the exact opposite of what needs to be happening..


Plus the state is setting it self up for lawsuits.. If the water runs out and someone dies the state will be sued. Say it ain't so????? Look up the case in Arizona from a few years ago concerning this exact thing.. And the illegals family won..

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So are people that text while driving or drink & drive. I guess we should not render aide to them when they get in an accident either??
I've stayed out of this one as well but this analogy is weak and flat out wrong, especially the drinking and driving. The proper analogy regarding drinking and driving would be setting up coffee and food stations so they could sober up as they drive drunk/break the law; NOT rendering aid after they crash.

So, would you be in favor of the government (tax dollars) setting up coffee and food stations to sober people up as they break the law/drive drunk? A law that doesn't have to be broken, is completely avoidable and encourages doing it again in the future?? That is the correct analogy.

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1) Trust me, the 1st one you hear about getting shot from a deer stand on the news, isn't the 1st one shot - it's just the 1st one you'll hear about on the news...

2) sss didn't originate on the GS....

3) ...and if you think its only white ranch owners doing it down south, you'd be wrong...very wrong.
No one is shooting illegals unless itís legitimate self defense.. Get over it. I donít know what someone told you in a bar, but most ranchers down here are tolerant and sympathetic to their condition. People that donít live anywhere near border, know nothing about the situation and like to talk big say what they Would Do... but they wouldnít.

Anyone that shoots another human being in cold blood is a murderer. There arenít too many of those no matter what the news tells you.
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I've stayed out of this one as well but this analogy is weak and flat out wrong, especially the drinking and driving. The proper analogy regarding drinking and driving would be setting up coffee and food stations so they could sober up as they drive drunk/break the law; NOT rendering aid after they crash.

So, would you be in favor of the government (tax dollars) setting up coffee and food stations to sober people up as they break the law/drive drunk? A law that doesn't have to be broken, is completely avoidable and encourages doing it again in the future?? That is the correct analogy.
I guess we can agree to disagree... The analogy was that due to someone's bad decision ( which includes braking the law ), as was implied by the post I quoted, the illegal aliens have put themselves in a life threatening situation (become dehydrated/ suffer heat stroke ). No different than the person texting While driving, drinking & driving and/or speeding causing serious bodily injuries due to an accident. The question then becomes, would you render aide?? I would render aide and will not judge you or anyone else for not doing so as that is not my place. If tax payer money could be effectively used to prevent accidents from the issues I have listed above I would not be opposed. Key word is effectively.

Whether it is tax payer money or not should not even a consideration, if you consider how politicians continuously squander money. Consider this for a moment, when an illegal gets sent to the hospital for heat stroke, who do you think pays the big $ bill??? Can you imaging how many gallons of water can be put out with the same amount of money?? That could be 3-4 weeks of treatments with no one disputing charges racked up by the nedical facility. Not to mention 24/7 guard duty. If money/cost is what worries people they might want to reconsider their logic.

If anyone really believes that these water stations are motivating illegals to come across I can't help with that kind of misaligned reasoning.
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