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Old 10-27-2020, 10:04 PM   #1
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Default CDC admitting that most of the deaths aren't covid.

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Old 10-27-2020, 10:36 PM   #2
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Old 10-27-2020, 10:52 PM   #3
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I guess CNN would be better?
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Old 10-27-2020, 11:02 PM   #4
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That is probably about as close to the truth as we will get..
I know 2 people that died with covid but none from covid.. Both were already dying from something else..
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Old 10-27-2020, 11:13 PM   #5
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Old 10-28-2020, 06:48 AM   #6
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I saw a blurb a couple weeks back, maybe a month, that said it was around 9000.
MSM dropped that like a hot potato. They wouldn't have fodder for the fight(get Biden elected) if they reported that.
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Old 10-28-2020, 07:57 AM   #7
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My mother in law died from a covid issue . Was given a tracheotomy . The. Surgeon screwed up and used the wrong size tube in . Her O2 stats steady dropped . So they pump up the vent . Ended up filling her body full of oxygen instead of her lungs. Build up enough pressure to collapse both lungs. Cut of o2 to her brain .
Now would you consider it a covid death ?
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Old 10-28-2020, 08:01 AM   #8
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What many of us have already known. The truth is hard to find these days anywhere about anything.
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Old 10-28-2020, 08:03 AM   #9
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My mother in law died from a covid issue . Was given a tracheotomy . The. Surgeon screwed up and used the wrong size tube in . Her O2 stats steady dropped . So they pump up the vent . Ended up filling her body full of oxygen instead of her lungs. Build up enough pressure to collapse both lungs. Cut of o2 to her brain .
Now would you consider it a covid death ?
No, but I bet she's part of the Covid death stats
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Old 10-28-2020, 08:12 AM   #10
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Old 10-28-2020, 09:02 AM   #11
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Keith, very sorry for your family's loss.

What happened to all the flu deaths we've always had, Cved19's social distancing?
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Old 10-28-2020, 09:51 AM   #12
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There has been no flu deaths since January/February. That sure seems to be a miracle in itself.

CDC updated their numbers the last week of August. Nobody noticed, and absolutely nobody reported it.


What makes SARS/COV2 scary, is that it exacerbates underlying conditions. Obesity and diabetes leave you vulnerable to its effect. Youíre done for if you catch pneumonia or have COPD or asthma. High blood pressure and heart conditions are also at increased risk.

It still only affects 0.02% of the population


We are being subjugated by our politicians, forcing us to wear masks for a disease that affects few. Nearly 80% of those who test positive, claims to wear their mask all the time.



The problem in all of this, is not the disease itself. Itís the politicians.


Itís time we get back to following our constitution. We are not subject of the government, the government is there to serve us. Itís also time that we take legislative power away from executive agencies (any alphabet soup agency). They enforce laws, not create them.




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Old 10-28-2020, 10:19 AM   #13
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My mother in law died from a covid issue . Was given a tracheotomy . The. Surgeon screwed up and used the wrong size tube in . Her O2 stats steady dropped . So they pump up the vent . Ended up filling her body full of oxygen instead of her lungs. Build up enough pressure to collapse both lungs. Cut of o2 to her brain .
Now would you consider it a covid death ?
No. But I would consider it malpractice.
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Old 10-28-2020, 10:58 AM   #14
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I just went to the CDC website and they're still listing 225,000+ deaths. What am I missing?
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Old 10-28-2020, 11:41 AM   #15
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Truth is overall deaths from all causes are up significantly above average. COVID hoax theory doesn't explain that.
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Old 10-28-2020, 11:43 AM   #16
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No. But I would consider it malpractice.
Yea that hospital would be sued if that was my family. That is insane.
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Old 10-28-2020, 11:44 AM   #17
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Truth is overall deaths from all causes are up significantly above average. COVID hoax theory doesn't explain that.
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There's a theory that a lot of people died from other causes due to not seeking medical attention during the lockdown scare. It's almost impossible to make any sense of any of these numbers unfortunately.
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Old 10-28-2020, 11:49 AM   #18
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Truth is overall deaths from all causes are up significantly above average. COVID hoax theory doesn't explain that.
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But yet the flu deaths are down some 98%. I guess Covid killed the flu too.
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Old 10-28-2020, 11:51 AM   #19
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There's a theory that a lot of people died from other causes due to not seeking medical attention during the lockdown scare. It's almost impossible to make any sense of any of these numbers unfortunately.
I don't know about the "not seeking treatment" numbers but part of the increase is almost certainly due to standard treatments for chronic illnesses being discontinued during the early portion of the lockdown. Almost all hospitals ceased on sight treatment for ongoing issues such as cancer, heart disease, etc.
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Old 10-28-2020, 02:17 PM   #20
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Is oan known for being an untrustworthy source

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Old 10-28-2020, 02:59 PM   #21
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There's a theory that a lot of people died from other causes due to not seeking medical attention during the lockdown scare. It's almost impossible to make any sense of any of these numbers unfortunately.
Yep.. I saw some hard data on that from the NE somewhere. The net was actually higher due to people not seeking medical attention, but it was a focused study. I think just people with heart issues or something.
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But yet the flu deaths are down some 98%. I guess Covid killed the flu too.
lol must be
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Old 10-28-2020, 11:08 PM   #22
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I just went to the CDC website and they're still listing 225,000+ deaths. What am I missing?
You're not missing anything. The political conspiracists would rather listen to how their right wing media enablers misinterpret CDC data than how the actual CDC interprets their own data.

You can either subscribe to the fanaticism and conspiracies or to the information published by professionals who do this for a living. Professionals are not always right, and true professionals acknowledge that and correct errors when they are discovered. Fanatics and conspiracists believe they are right and don't see, acknowledge or correct their errors.

The professionals at the CDC are transparent in their findings and analysis and unlike the political fanatics and rank amateurs who think they know it all, the CDC professionals acknowledge the limitations that can potentially impact the accuracy of their findings.

https://www.cdc.gov/mmwr/volumes/69/wr/mm6942e2.htm
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Old 10-28-2020, 11:19 PM   #23
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Believing in presidential poll / comorbidity death numbers as factual could lead to depression come November...should be a label warning.
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Old 10-28-2020, 11:32 PM   #24
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No, he is just doing what he does..
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Old 10-29-2020, 12:18 PM   #25
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You're not missing anything. The political conspiracists would rather listen to how their right wing media enablers misinterpret CDC data than how the actual CDC interprets their own data.

You can either subscribe to the fanaticism and conspiracies or to the information published by professionals who do this for a living. Professionals are not always right, and true professionals acknowledge that and correct errors when they are discovered. Fanatics and conspiracists believe they are right and don't see, acknowledge or correct their errors.

The professionals at the CDC are transparent in their findings and analysis and unlike the political fanatics and rank amateurs who think they know it all, the CDC professionals acknowledge the limitations that can potentially impact the accuracy of their findings.

https://www.cdc.gov/mmwr/volumes/69/wr/mm6942e2.htm

Man I bet you'd be a real hoot around a real campfire! Folks like you are exactly what is wrong with this country... You are all drunk on the kool-aid so bad you don't even make any sense...

I knew better than to open your post, but I wanted to see if you have anything of value to say.... Nope... I need to learn to trust my own ignore list!
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Salt- Vermin probably goes to a lodge for weekend trips. Probably had to pay a guide because I don’t anyone that has shared a pasture or gunnel with him. It’s folks like him why I will never guide. I couldn’t share a CC for 8 hours. I know a lot of guides and they tell me those trips feel like 24 hr dentist visits
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Salt- Vermin probably goes to a lodge for weekend trips. Probably had to pay a guide because I donít anyone that has shared a pasture or gunnel with him. Itís folks like him why I will never guide. I couldnít share a CC for 8 hours. I know a lot of guides and they tell me those trips feel like 24 hr dentist visits



Well Glen, I'd love to fish with you and Doug! I promise not to be a "vermin" if y'all ever take me!
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Old 10-29-2020, 12:40 PM   #28
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Let me get my back healed. I just dropped off the El Pescador for a facelift. New top cap- center console- new leaning post. I’d be glad to share time on the water with you- I’d learn a lot
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Old 10-29-2020, 12:47 PM   #29
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how the actual CDC interprets their own data.
Would the CDC get more money for data that shows more cases or less money?
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Old 10-29-2020, 01:08 PM   #30
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I just went to the CDC website and they're still listing 225,000+ deaths. What am I missing?
You're missing how to read into the numbers.
225k deaths with covid

versus

225k killed by covid

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Would the CDC get more money for data that shows more cases or less money?
Shhhh...Don't be saying anything that makes someone think. I'm sure the CDC gets money the same and scared people do not make it so they get more money
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Old 10-29-2020, 01:46 PM   #31
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You're not missing anything. The political conspiracists would rather listen to how their right wing media enablers misinterpret CDC data than how the actual CDC interprets their own data.

You can either subscribe to the fanaticism and conspiracies or to the information published by professionals who do this for a living. Professionals are not always right, and true professionals acknowledge that and correct errors when they are discovered. Fanatics and conspiracists believe they are right and don't see, acknowledge or correct their errors.

The professionals at the CDC are transparent in their findings and analysis and unlike the political fanatics and rank amateurs who think they know it all, the CDC professionals acknowledge the limitations that can potentially impact the accuracy of their findings.

https://www.cdc.gov/mmwr/volumes/69/wr/mm6942e2.htm

From the CDC website
ďEstimates of the numbers of deaths directly attributable to COVID-19 might be limited by factors such as the availability and use of diagnostic testing (including postmortem testing) and the ACCURATE and COMPLETE reporting of cause of death information on the death certificate. Excess death analyses are not subject to these limitations because they examine historical trends in all-cause mortality to determine the degree to which observed numbers of deaths differ from historical norms.Ē

I capitalized accurate and complete

All they are doing is regurgitating numbers fed to them by sources who are making money by relating a COVID death to some other related co-morbidity. They arenít and can not verify each death. Doesnít sound too scientific to me unless they themselves can do that

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You're missing how to read into the numbers.
225k deaths with covid

versus

225k killed by covid



Shhhh...Don't be saying anything that makes someone think. I'm sure the CDC gets money the same and scared people do not make it so they get more money
There is a HUGE difference between "with" and "by". Strummers mom is one example. Sorry for your loss Strummer
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Update from CDC
Of the 220,000 deaths reported as due to COVID, the actual cause was:
88,208 - pneumonia & influenza
17, 799 - chronic respiratory disease
26, 365 - respiratory distress synd.
44, 261 - hypertensive disease
23, 275 -heart disease
28, 000 -cardiac arrest
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Update from CDC
Of the 220,000 deaths reported as due to COVID, the actual cause was:
88,208 - pneumonia & influenza
17, 799 - chronic respiratory disease
26, 365 - respiratory distress synd.
44, 261 - hypertensive disease
23, 275 -heart disease
28, 000 -cardiac arrest

And we are called conspiracists and crazy! To bad forward thinking rational common sense people are not in charge.


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