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Old 10-16-2020, 09:20 AM   #1
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We voted early on Wednesday and I witnessed a confidence restoring event in our election system.

We had just arrived and I saw an older guy walk from the county clerk's office a half a block and into the early voting door. He was the only other voter in the place. Three poll workers greeted him. He presented his ID and they read it. And handed him his ID back. Then the following exchange took place.

Pollsters - Sir, you have a mail in ballot. You cannot vote here unless you present your mail in ballot. (My attention is suddenly very peaked.)

Man - Huh? Um... welllll....

Pollsters - You do have that right?

Man - Um... welll... it's at home.

Pollsters - Well sir, you cannot vote unless you present that to us or you can drop it off at the clerk's office.

Man - I don't know where that is. (Me in my mind: You just came from there!)

Pollsters explain where it is. then - you can drop it off there or mail it.

Man - There's no way I can vote today?

Pollsters - Not unless you bring your mail in ballot before we close.

Man - Hum... welllllll...... what if I tell you I lost it. (Me - once a liar always a liar.)

Pollsters - you will have to take that up with the Clerk's office. Then one says, can he vote with a provisional ballot? The one in charge says, "NO! He has a ballot according to our records. He cannot vote at all today unless he brings the mail in ballot."

The pollster in charge asked me quite loudly, "Ma'am, please step up. We are ready for you."

Man - Oh, ok well then... and turns to leave.

Me, silently and grinning ear to ear under my mask, "Well.... Bye."

I'm so glad we have early voting in Texas because it really allows the pollsters to learn about special circumstances and hopefully lets them figure out efficiency.
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Old 10-16-2020, 09:27 AM   #2
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I wonder how many people with mail in ballots were allowed to get away with this at other locations.
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Old 10-16-2020, 09:49 AM   #3
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None. It is against the law, according that clerk that was in charge. Secretary of State has a record of everyone who requested and was sent a mail in ballot.
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Old 10-16-2020, 09:52 AM   #4
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And this... this ladies and gentlemen is why we should not allow vote by mail. It is simply a way to cheat the system. Active Duty deployed military excluded of course.
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Old 10-16-2020, 09:57 AM   #5
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Here is the problem- My parents never requested a Mail in Ballot. They sent them one anyway. My Mom is her 80s was furious. She read every word and fine print. It states in fine print you must take ballot with you to vote. She went and voted in person and gave them an ear full I'm sure. My parents are listed as "R" and have been for years. They have been very involved with the party in local elections.
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Old 10-16-2020, 10:07 AM   #6
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I'm glad it happened that way Tracey, but just think about this same scenario in a place such as Harris County, third or fifth ward... Do you really think those polling volunteers will be that diligent in not letting folks with mail in ballot records vote AGAIN? And that's how they plan to steal the election.
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Old 10-16-2020, 10:10 AM   #7
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Early voted today. Had to wait in line for near an hour. It is the first time ever in Gilmer. Normally just walk up and vote. The ladies said they had never seen so many people voting. As we stood in line people were all talking about how they were afraid. Several said communist were taking over. One fellow said he had moved from California and was afraid they were trying to turn the entire country into the mess he had moved away from.
I can’t say who will win the country this year but as far as Upshur county Texas goes I believe Trump will pull 90%
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Old 10-16-2020, 10:14 AM   #8
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Early voted today. Had to wait in line for near an hour. It is the first time ever in Gilmer. Normally just walk up and vote. The ladies said they had never seen so many people voting. As we stood in line people were all talking about how they were afraid. Several said communist were taking over. One fellow said he had moved from California and was afraid they were trying to turn the entire country into the mess he had moved away from.
I canít say who will win the country this year but as far as Upshur county Texas goes I believe Trump will pull 90%

Thanks Marty! That is encouraging. Is Upshur County considered red already or maybe more balanced and purple? I'd sure like to see reports of purple or blue counties turning out like this!! In my heart, it think that indeed will be the case...
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I'm glad it happened that way Tracey, but just think about this same scenario in a place such as Harris County, third or fifth ward... Do you really think those polling volunteers will be that diligent in not letting folks with mail in ballot records vote AGAIN? And that's how they plan to steal the election.
The control system is working. The pollsters could be fined or jailed for allowing this.
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Old 10-16-2020, 10:21 AM   #10
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I do hope you are right, but it scares me to death... There are so, so many blue polling locations that I fear will come up with some "plausible deniability"...
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Old 10-16-2020, 10:24 AM   #11
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Well crap, we received mail in ballots. We did not request them and planned to vote in person, so we threw them away. What now?
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Old 10-16-2020, 10:37 AM   #12
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Well crap, we received mail in ballots. We did not request them and planned to vote in person, so we threw them away. What now?

You're screwed, BUT I'd file a formal complaint and file suit in a federal court for voter suppression...
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Old 10-16-2020, 10:48 AM   #13
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Here is the problem- My parents never requested a Mail in Ballot. They sent them one anyway. My Mom is her 80s was furious. She read every word and fine print. It states in fine print you must take ballot with you to vote. She went and voted in person and gave them an ear full I'm sure. My parents are listed as "R" and have been for years. They have been very involved with the party in local elections.
May I ask what state/county they reside in?
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Old 10-16-2020, 10:55 AM   #14
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Well crap, we received mail in ballots. We did not request them and planned to vote in person, so we threw them away. What now?


Iíd go in person to vote. Things get lost in the mail all the time.


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Old 10-16-2020, 12:11 PM   #15
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None. It is against the law, according that clerk that was in charge. Secretary of State has a record of everyone who requested and was sent a mail in ballot.
It's against the law to take unemployment and not apply for jobs but millions do that also and no one seems to care.

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I'm glad it happened that way Tracey, but just think about this same scenario in a place such as Harris County, third or fifth ward... Do you really think those polling volunteers will be that diligent in not letting folks with mail in ballot records vote AGAIN? And that's how they plan to steal the election.
I don't understand how/why they make it so hard to see if someone voted twice. Seems super simple since everything's on computers now.
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Old 10-16-2020, 12:12 PM   #16
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Well crap, we received mail in ballots. We did not request them and planned to vote in person, so we threw them away. What now?
I bet if you just go vote no one will ever know.
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Old 10-16-2020, 02:58 PM   #17
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Stingerslinger. You will have to go file an affidavit at county annex I’m guessing.

Awry. Parents live in Texas. Harris Co
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God bless your poll watchers; I hope they are as diligent nationwide; however I very seriously doubt it.
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Old 10-16-2020, 10:56 PM   #19
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Well crap, we received mail in ballots. We did not request them and planned to vote in person, so we threw them away. What now?
Dude, the answer is in my post. Contact the county clerk. 8 am Monday.
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Old 10-17-2020, 12:47 AM   #20
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Well crap, we received mail in ballots. We did not request them and planned to vote in person, so we threw them away. What now?
Go to county clerk ask for a provisional ballot.
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Old 10-17-2020, 12:56 AM   #21
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About 4-5 weeks ago I filed for a mail in ballot, I have not received it yet. Going to vote next week. Guess they will tell me then if I can vote or not. If they say I signed up to vote by mail then I will need them to verify that they did indeed mail it to me. If I get it between now and then, I will bring it with me.
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Old 10-19-2020, 08:51 AM   #22
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About 4-5 weeks ago I filed for a mail in ballot, I have not received it yet. Going to vote next week. Guess they will tell me then if I can vote or not. If they say I signed up to vote by mail then I will need them to verify that they did indeed mail it to me. If I get it between now and then, I will bring it with me.
Call the County Clerks office and ask them before you get frustrated waiting in line for a long time.
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Old 10-19-2020, 10:21 AM   #23
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Call the County Clerks office and ask them before you get frustrated waiting in line for a long time.
Ok I will!
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Old 10-19-2020, 10:25 AM   #24
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I swore you could cast a provisional ballot, and then get the rest worked out after the fact. Now that may only be on election day, but my understanding was you never leave the polling location without casting a vote, even if it's just provisional.
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Old 10-19-2020, 01:01 PM   #25
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Seeming contradiction in the law:
Texas Administrative Code ß81.172
"(a) At all elections, the following individuals shall be eligible to cast a provisional ballot.
[...]
(6) A voter who has applied for a ballot by mail, but has not yet properly cancelled the mail ballot application."

Further down in (c)
"A person voting by mail may not vote a provisional ballot."

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Seeming contradiction in the law:
Texas Administrative Code ß81.172
"(a) At all elections, the following individuals shall be eligible to cast a provisional ballot.
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(6) A voter who has applied for a ballot by mail, but has not yet properly cancelled the mail ballot application."

Further down in (c)
"A person voting by mail may not vote a provisional ballot."

Only thing I can think of is either
1. ballot was "applied for" and is still listed on the records as "active"

2. voter did NOT apply for a mail in ballot yet was sent one unsolicited because of age, disability, etc... Many Texas were indeed sent mail in ballots that were not "applied for"...


?? dunno.
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Old 10-19-2020, 02:14 PM   #27
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I'm not an attorney and don't claim to understand it, but to me the first line is someone who has applied for but not received the ballot. The second one is someone who already submitted - voted.
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Old 10-19-2020, 03:13 PM   #28
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I saw two separate individuals try to use a passport. The first computer couldnít locate that person. They were sent to a second table where a phone call was made to verify whether they were legit or not. I didnít see the outcome as I voted and left while they were still there.


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Old 10-19-2020, 08:25 PM   #29
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We just moved to Bell County this past summer, have our voter registration cards for Bell County, but if we got mail in ballots, they were thrown in the trash. I will take everything to see if I can vote early tomorrow!

TRUMP 2020!
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Old 10-21-2020, 07:21 AM   #30
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Ok I will!
Voted in person yesterday-No issues-never received mail in ballot that I applied for,maybe I filled the app out wrong??
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