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Ten Point
Join Date: Oct 2008
Location: FBG
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Can anyone tell me where to find the regs on how to understand trucks, trailers and equipment. I'm purchasing a new skid steer that weighs 12,100 lbs. Current truck is Ford f350 that has GVWR of 11,500. I do not have a CDL and would prefer not getting one. Looking for new trailer for this setup. Any recs or info where I stand would be appreciated.
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#2 |
Pope & Young
![]() Join Date: Jul 2009
Location: Tomball
Hunt In: Hopkins County
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I’m no help finding official verbiage online. But my understanding is 26,000 is the combined truck/trailer gvwr limit for in-state hauling without a CDL. Regardless of how much weight is on the trailer. You can get yourself there very quickly with a one ton.
Side-bar: Is it true the limit drops to 10,000 for crossing state lines? Can one even drive an empty F350 across the line without a cdl? Last edited by 30-30; 12-14-2019 at 03:16 PM. |
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Eight Point
Join Date: Jul 2016
Location: Burnet tx
Hunt In: Burnet, New Mexico,west texas
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26k. So your truck,trailer,and Machine can’t weigh over that. Your at 23,600 right now. That only leaves about 2,400 lbs for a trailer.
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#4 |
Ten Point
Join Date: Mar 2017
Location: Lubbock
Hunt In: Hall County
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That’s not quite how it works, even though it’s close. His truck weighs roughly 9,000, but has an 11,500 GVWR. That means the most trailer he can even hook up to empty is one with a GVWR if 14,500 lbs or less. The two GVWR can’t exceed 26,000. They could care less if the trailer is unloaded and only weighs 5,000 lbs.
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#5 |
Ten Point
Join Date: Mar 2017
Location: Lubbock
Hunt In: Hall County
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OP I have the same truck as you. Any trailer that’s rated to carry that heavy machine is going to legally put you into CDL territory. There are no ways around it. Now you can try and skirt by without being noticed, and depending on your locale you may be quite successful. I’m in the Permian basin, so I don’t even attempt it. DOT is very strict out here.
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#6 |
Pope & Young
![]() Join Date: Jun 2013
Location: Troup
Hunt In: Cherokee, Rusk, Trinity Counties
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Farm tags if you qualify. If it’s for commercial use, you don’t.
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#7 |
Six Point
Join Date: Jul 2007
Location: New Braunfels
Hunt In: Blanco
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First is to find a scale and get the actual weight of your truck.
Truck weight plus machine weight will then tell you how much you have left to work with. Most trailer manufacturers publish their empty trailer weight. Stay under 26,000lbs total and you don’t need a CDL. |
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#8 | |
Ten Point
Join Date: Mar 2017
Location: Lubbock
Hunt In: Hall County
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#9 |
Pope & Young
![]() Join Date: Jul 2009
Location: Tomball
Hunt In: Hopkins County
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^This. Combined GVWR of truck and trailer can’t exceed 26.
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#10 |
Eight Point
Join Date: Jan 2015
Location: Texas
Hunt In: Oklahoma
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I’ve got a F350 and a Kubota SVL90-2 skid steer and haul it most of the time on a 24’ gooseneck lowboy with 2 7k axles. I’ve also got a 30’ dual tandem with 10k axles that I bought specifically to haul the skid steer, but I have only used it to haul hay for the last couple or three years. I’ve got farm tags on all my trailers.
If your going to be using the skid steer commercially, get a CDL and a dual tandem trailer. If it’s for personal use, get farm tags on whatever trailer you choose, and you should be fine. |
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#11 |
Ten Point
Join Date: Jan 2017
Location: Sisterdale
Hunt In: Sisterdale and el dorado , Jeff Davis, refugio/sinton , San perlita
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I don’t have a CDL and had a BOBCAT E55 excavator Cab with A/C, Machine weights 12,500lbs I have a 16 foot lowboy bumper pull with two 7k axle and am way under the 26000 with the whole rig
With my 25 foot top hat gooseneck I was probably getting closer to the limit ![]() I have type 2 diabetes and hear with that I would need a physical every year to keep a CDL ![]() ![]() I would research getting a trailer that will haul your skidder , but also not so large as to draw attention from DOT |
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#12 | |
Ten Point
Join Date: Oct 2008
Location: FBG
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Ten Point
Join Date: Jan 2017
Location: Sisterdale
Hunt In: Sisterdale and el dorado , Jeff Davis, refugio/sinton , San perlita
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I think it is a diamond C mod EQT 16 https://www.diamondc.com/trailers/equipment/eqt/ Last edited by pilar; 12-14-2019 at 05:29 PM. |
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#14 | |
Pope & Young
![]() Join Date: Oct 2006
Location: Wise Cty
Hunt In: Young Cty
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This man is steering you the right direction. Others...notsomuch. Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk |
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#15 | |
Pope & Young
![]() Join Date: Oct 2006
Location: Wise Cty
Hunt In: Young Cty
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You still weren’t legal. Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk |
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#16 |
Ten Point
Join Date: Jan 2017
Location: Sisterdale
Hunt In: Sisterdale and el dorado , Jeff Davis, refugio/sinton , San perlita
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Probably not “ if you say so”
![]() ![]() LOL used to pull everything with Chevy 1500 HD with a 6.0 in the early 2000’s ( got about 6-7 mpg) then a 2500duramax Driving a Chevy 1500 now and am contemplating buying a Kubota KX121-3 because it will fit on my trailer ![]() Last edited by pilar; 12-14-2019 at 06:00 PM. Reason: F dale |
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#17 |
Ten Point
Join Date: Aug 2009
Location: Lorena,Texas
Hunt In: Limestone and Mills Counties
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Take gvwr of truck plus gvwr of trailer and if they add up to 26001 pounds plus your are illegal.
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#18 |
Ten Point
Join Date: Oct 2008
Location: FBG
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So the weight of the does or doesn't matter in TXDOT eyes as long as trailer is rated for weight?
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#19 |
Pope & Young
![]() Join Date: Oct 2006
Location: Wise Cty
Hunt In: Young Cty
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The actual weight does not matter in regard to needing a CDL. But if the trailer is overloaded you can still be cited. It’ll probably never happen unless you run over someone, then they will sue your *** off and they WILL win. Insurance can probably bend you over in that scenario as well.
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#20 |
Ten Point
Join Date: Jul 2013
Location: St. Hedwig
Hunt In: Webb County, Missouri
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Sticker Gross Combined WR is over 26000. Weight does matter, if you are exceeding your gvwr of either truck or trailer loaded, they can ticket you. May not be in CDL territory, but can be overweight. In that case they could take most single wheels with goosenecks/rv to the cleaners. I keep my cdl, physical every 2 years, nothing special to keep. Dot paperwork and logging requirements is what takes more time, if you are commercial. Not familiar with farm use.
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#21 |
Ten Point
Join Date: Aug 2008
Location: Weatherford, TX
Hunt In: Lone Camp, TX
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You’d be painfully close to Okay if you found a bumper pull flatbed with 7k axles. The shorter the better.
If your truck is newish I’d trade you a 2500 ram... gives a bit more flexibility. |
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#22 |
Ten Point
![]() Join Date: Jan 2009
Location: South Texas/Gulf Coast
Hunt In: Atascosa County
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Actually the GCVWR threshold is 26,001 lbs not 26,000lbs. Th GVWR of truck and GVWR of trailer added together must be under 26,001lbs to stay out of CDL requirements. Farm use laws have changed, they follow the same standards, if GCVWR is over 26,001lbs then you will need a non commercial CDL. The empty weight does not matter, it is the GVWR on both. Ideally you need to find the shortest, lightest weight trailer that can carry your skid steer. Sending a PM
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#23 | |
Ten Point
Join Date: Jan 2017
Location: Sisterdale
Hunt In: Sisterdale and el dorado , Jeff Davis, refugio/sinton , San perlita
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How much breathing room do I have on what size tractor, excavator or skidder + implements or different buckets I can legally tow Rams claim GROSS COMBINED WEIGHT RATING (GCWR) SAYS IT ALL. We get it. You need to count on your Ram Heavy Duty to accomplish the toughest jobs. The Ram Heavy Duty maximum GCWR numbers measure up. On Ram 3500 models, GCWR reaches up to 17,736 kg (39,100 lb). The numbers behind Ram 2500 are equally as formidable: these 3/4-ton GCWR figures are rated up to 11,476 kg (25,300 lb). Last edited by pilar; 12-14-2019 at 10:34 PM. |
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#24 | |
Ten Point
Join Date: Mar 2015
Location: Watkinsville, GA
Hunt In: Tree/blind/ground
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What is the configuration of your truck?
A srw PSD F350 with .355 gears ranges from 20,200-28,700 GCVWR. A drw PSD F350 ranges from 36,000-41,800 GCVWR. Quote:
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#25 |
Ten Point
Join Date: Mar 2015
Location: Watkinsville, GA
Hunt In: Tree/blind/ground
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According to the GADOT cop I talked to, "technically" every dually, loaded or empty, is supposed to go over the scales. He said that they don't worry about duallies though.
I had the Florida DOT guys take me over the hurdles for about an hour at an AG weigh station on my DRW Ram 3500. I was over 30,000 lbs and they were jamming me up over some live plants. |
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#26 | |
Four Point
Join Date: May 2016
Location: College Station
Hunt In: Gatesville
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Trailer weighs 2,100lbs can have a load on it 14,000 - 2,100 = 11,900. Can take some of the load weight and move it to the tongue weight of truck.. I might be wrong but I think it's like 15%. |
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#27 | |
Pope & Young
Join Date: Oct 2010
Location: Tyler, TX
Hunt In: Camp County, Rusk County, Smith County, Kansas
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Oklahoma is the same as Texas, unless you don’t live there. If you live there, same laws apply as they do here. If you don’t live there, and you are over 10,000, you are regulated by DOT and must possess a log, medical card, and physical. So yes, an empty F350 would be considered DOT regulated. |
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