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Old 12-05-2017, 10:10 AM   #1
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Default Thinking About Coming off the Rage, What head?

Let me start by saying that I am not blaming the broadhead! I shot a big mature Kansas buck this year just a little forward in the front of the shoulder and got very little penetration. I was shooting the Rage Trypan. We could not find a single drop of blood. I feel that I hit him in the bone of the shoulder and the broadhead didn't get to any of the goodies, because the deer is still alive and seems to be doing well. Again I know if I wouldn't have hit him forward I would not have had this problem.

But, this got me to thinking maybe I should consider a better penetrating broadhead. I am looking for a fixed blade. I really can't make myself shoot the small heads. I like a little bigger hole in the critters. I shot 2 deer with a G5 montec years ago with perfect shots so I actually watched them both drop within 75 yards or so, but neither had a blood trail worth speaking of. For that reason I am out on those.

I will add that I shoot plenty but I am no bow Guru so I need something that flies like my field tips. I tried GrizzTricks couple years ago out of a different bow and couldn't get them to fly well passed twenty-five yards. I have never shot a deer further than 50 yards but I practice out to 100 and to be confident in the head would like them to fly like my field tips at least out to 60 yards.

I am a compound shooter and usually shoot between 65-70lbs with a 29.5" draw. My arrows are Axis 340's cut to 28" if this is helpful. What do you guys recommend for a good tough, well penetrating head that flies well and still cuts a nice hole.
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Old 12-05-2017, 10:13 AM   #2
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125 or 100 grain Ramcat. You will thank me later. 1 3/8" on the 100 and1 1/2' 0n the 125. They cut some wicked holes.
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Old 12-05-2017, 10:13 AM   #3
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I always had good success with NAP Thunderheads before I switched to their Spitfires.
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Old 12-05-2017, 10:16 AM   #4
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Ive had good luck with both the Viper trick and the G5 T3.
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Old 12-05-2017, 10:17 AM   #5
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Thunderhead is a good, dependable fixed broadhead and been around a long time. I used the 125grain. I've been using them the past few years but wanted better blood trails so I went back to mechanicals this season.
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Old 12-05-2017, 10:19 AM   #6
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I shot a warthog dead in the leg bone in Africa. Ran off with little to no penetration. I used the Rage Hypo. After that I used Muzzy Extreme. Took my zebra with it. Almost got a pass thru.
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Old 12-05-2017, 10:25 AM   #7
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I am a compound shooter and usually shoot between 65-70lbs with a 29.5" draw. My arrows are Axis 340's cut to 28" if this is helpful.
How does that work??

Anyway another vote for the T3 from G5, hell any of their expandables are awesome.

I am waiting to field test the new Dead Meat from them also
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Old 12-05-2017, 10:26 AM   #8
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Old 12-05-2017, 10:27 AM   #9
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From what I understand from the GS, any broad head is wonderful, except for the Rage!
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Old 12-05-2017, 10:27 AM   #10
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Old 12-05-2017, 10:28 AM   #11
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How does that work??

Anyway another vote for the T3 from G5, hell any of their expandables are awesome.

I am waiting to field test the new Dead Meat from them also
How does what work?
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Old 12-05-2017, 10:32 AM   #12
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How does what work?
I assume he is speaking of 29.5 draw length but only 28" shaft.

I use the Slick Trick standard and want to try the Slick Trick Magnums
The Standard has not failed me. Punched through two hogs at the same time killing both in less than 30 yards each and great blood. Slick Tricks punch a good hole, not just a slice like 2 blade heads do.
Try and tinker with your setup a bit. There may be something you can do to get the ST to fly better at longer ranges. Mine fly great out to 40, as that is the absolute furthest i will shoot at any game. Most shots are within 20, so they work great for me.

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Old 12-05-2017, 10:42 AM   #13
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I assume he is speaking of 29.5 draw length but only 28" shaft.
Am I missing something? The draw length of the bow is 29.5 inches but the arrow is only 28 inches? Are you using an over draw device? If so that isn't something you see much these days.

Help me fill in the blank here, im not understanding.
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Old 12-05-2017, 10:45 AM   #14
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Hitting square on bone there wont be many that will do much better.
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Old 12-05-2017, 10:51 AM   #15
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Am I missing something? The draw length of the bow is 29.5 inches but the arrow is only 28 inches? Are you using an over draw device? If so that isn't something you see much these days.

Help me fill in the blank here, im not understanding.
He mush shoot a drop away and his rest is in the far rear position allowing for a shorter arrow.

I personally dont like the head to be on or inside the shelf. I prefer the broadhead to be in front the fingers just in case, which is why I shoot 30" full length shaft with 29" draw
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Old 12-05-2017, 10:57 AM   #16
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I know you said fixed blade but if you want a bradded that will do some damage, use a grim reaper! 2" 3 blade whitetail special will eat!
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Old 12-05-2017, 10:58 AM   #17
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I have used the 125 XL silver flames for a long time and have killed many elk and deer with them. Almost every broadhead will kill a deer if you make a good shot. What makes a broadhead good is when you kill a deer when you make a bad shot.
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Old 12-05-2017, 11:00 AM   #18
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You may try the Muzzy Trocar. Itís an extremely accurate and tough fixed blade.
I videoed and killed my avatar buck with one opening morning. Busted through the shoulder bone and still exited. He was down in 50 yards.
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Old 12-05-2017, 11:03 AM   #19
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Old 12-05-2017, 11:08 AM   #20
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He mush shoot a drop away and his rest is in the far rear position allowing for a shorter arrow.

I personally dont like the head to be on or inside the shelf. I prefer the broadhead to be in front the fingers just in case, which is why I shoot 30" full length shaft with 29" draw
Ahhh. I am the same way because I occasionally shoot fixed blades. Im tracking now.
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Old 12-05-2017, 11:12 AM   #21
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Am I missing something? The draw length of the bow is 29.5 inches but the arrow is only 28 inches? Are you using an over draw device? If so that isn't something you see much these days.

Help me fill in the blank here, im not understanding.
Draw length is usually measured to the front of the riser which is about 2" in front of my rest.
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Old 12-05-2017, 11:13 AM   #22
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I have used the 125 XL silver flames for a long time and have killed many elk and deer with them. Almost every broadhead will kill a deer if you make a good shot. What makes a broadhead good is when you kill a deer when you make a bad shot.
What kind of distance have you shot them?
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Old 12-05-2017, 11:18 AM   #23
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I really like the looks of the Simmons Mako anyone shooting these?
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Old 12-05-2017, 11:21 AM   #24
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If you're wanting more penetration then don't forget to examine the arrow you're shooting. Have you considered a heavier arrow? Thought about FOC?
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Old 12-05-2017, 11:23 AM   #25
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If you're wanting more penetration then don't forget to examine the arrow you're shooting. Have you considered a heavier arrow? Thought about FOC?
Im thinking about switching to maybe the FMJ to be heavier.
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Old 12-05-2017, 11:38 AM   #26
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Old 12-05-2017, 11:43 AM   #27
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What kind of distance have you shot them?
I have killed elk at 73 yards I shoot good at 80. They don't plane like most 2 blade heads


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Old 12-05-2017, 11:48 AM   #28
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Muzzy trocar are trocar Hd are nap killzone if you want expandable!
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Old 12-05-2017, 12:02 PM   #29
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nothing beats the magnus stinger for long range accuracy, and offers the best penetration at all ranges

but for the wider cut i suggest the black hornet, i have shot them out to 100 yards also
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PX 2 interchangeable tips go from 100 gr to 125 quickly and almost indestructible.
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Old 12-05-2017, 12:11 PM   #31
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I also just found out I need a fixed blade for an Axis hunting im going on after first of the year with a customer of mine.
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Old 12-05-2017, 12:11 PM   #32
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Honestly man I think you'll lose more deer switching to fixed and risk getting crappy blood trails. If u don't hit them good idk that a fixed blade will make much difference. I've had nothing but good luck with rages and the killzones are good too. If you're dead set on fixed maybe try the Magnus black Hornet serrazor or ramcats
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Old 12-05-2017, 12:13 PM   #33
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NAP Thunderheads 100 grain....fixed blade.
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I really like my Magnus stinger 2 blades.
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Old 12-05-2017, 12:21 PM   #35
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Give slick trick mags a go. They fly great out to 60 yards for me (that's as far as I practice) and cut a good size hole every time. I tinker around with a bunch of different bh's, but I always end up back at slick tricks. Only other good bh I can suggest that I do use when I go axis hunting for the better penetration aspect is a Solid 100gr with bleeders. That is an awesome bh that also flys perfect out to 60 yards.
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Old 12-05-2017, 12:21 PM   #36
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If you shoot them in the shoulder, I don't think the broadhead makes a whole lot of difference. Maybe stay with the same broadhead and practice more???
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Honestly man I think you'll lose more deer switching to fixed and risk getting crappy blood trails. If u don't hit them good idk that a fixed blade will make much difference. I've had nothing but good luck with rages and the killzones are good too. If you're dead set on fixed maybe try the Magnus black Hornet serrazor or ramcats
I have seen alot of mechanical fail, and no clue what you mean about poor blood trails with fixed??

Poor shot placement is probably more of a reason for no blood trails?
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Old 12-05-2017, 12:28 PM   #38
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I really like the QAD Exodus.
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Old 12-05-2017, 12:34 PM   #39
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If you shoot them in the shoulder, I don't think the broadhead makes a whole lot of difference. Maybe stay with the same broadhead and practice more???
He did say that shot was not the reason he is switching...
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Honestly man I think you'll lose more deer switching to fixed and risk getting crappy blood trails. If u don't hit them good idk that a fixed blade will make much difference. I've had nothing but good luck with rages and the killzones are good too. If you're dead set on fixed maybe try the Magnus black Hornet serrazor or ramcats
Kindly disagree. Blood trails have more to do with shot placement than broadheads in my opinion. I shoot the Ramcats that have cutting diameters almost as big as some mechanicals and larger than most other fixed blades and they fly like darts.
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Old 12-05-2017, 12:49 PM   #41
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I always had good success with NAP Thunderheads before I switched to their Spitfires.
NAP thunderheads for me always.....old school and reliable and can be re-sharpened as well.
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Old 12-05-2017, 01:06 PM   #42
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Muzzy trocar or mx3
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Old 12-05-2017, 01:07 PM   #43
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I'm gonna try the Muzzy trocar hybrid. I know you said fixed blade, but it's a hybrid
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Old 12-05-2017, 01:08 PM   #44
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Maybe the helix single bevel broadhead? They hit really hard, also get more weight up front for higher FOC to pull the arrow thru.
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125 or 100 grain Ramcat. You will thank me later. 1 3/8" on the 100 and1 1/2' 0n the 125. They cut some wicked holes.


This...only broadheads in my quiver for 3 years now
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Honestly man I think you'll lose more deer switching to fixed and risk getting crappy blood trails. If u don't hit them good idk that a fixed blade will make much difference. I've had nothing but good luck with rages and the killzones are good too. If you're dead set on fixed maybe try the Magnus black Hornet serrazor or ramcats


Lol...this is funny
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Old 12-05-2017, 01:19 PM   #47
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I have shot the Magnus stinger 125 gr. 2 blade for about six or seven years. I have had a pass through on every single animal with superb blood.
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Old 12-05-2017, 01:22 PM   #48
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If you read DR Ashby's study he recommends single bevel 2 blade broadheads for bone.

I use Magnus Stingers.
I'd love to get some German Kinetics. They're a tad pricey for me.
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Old 12-05-2017, 01:31 PM   #49
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Definitely the Ramcat...Smoked a nice 10 this weekend with one and the blood trail looked like someone was walking around with a water hose.
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If you read DR Ashby's study he recommends single bevel 2 blade broadheads for bone.

I use Magnus Stingers.
I'd love to get some German Kinetics. They're a tad pricey for me.
I went to the magnus stinger 2-blades after less than optimal results tinkering with all sorts of heads. Mechanical, 3-blade, 4-blade, etc. I tried so many brands and models it was stupid. Finally landed on the cut on impact 2-blade simplicity of the stinger and never looked back. Last year i shot a 300 lbs aoudad ram with a quartering away shot, the arrow passed through and broke the far shoulder. I had already changed to the stinger when I learned of Dr. Ashby's study and from years of experience I can honestly say his findings on 2-blade heads and arrow weight are legit.
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