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Old 11-13-2017, 06:43 PM   #151
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Old 11-13-2017, 07:05 PM   #152
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Old 11-13-2017, 07:47 PM   #153
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Down town P Brown!!
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Old 11-14-2017, 04:20 PM   #154
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thats a great sika
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Old 11-14-2017, 05:30 PM   #155
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Great sika.....whitetail too for that matter. Congrats!
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Old 11-14-2017, 07:48 PM   #156
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Nice sika, Patton!
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Old 11-25-2017, 05:10 PM   #157
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I hope things are getting better in other parts of the county. Still not seeing much activity. How about y’all?
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Old 11-25-2017, 05:25 PM   #158
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Acorns, acorns, acorns. Best strategy at this point would be to put down the bow and hunt where you can see a lot of country. Bucks are rutting and receptive to rattling. The deer just have no reason to hit feeders with all the acorns still around.
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Old 11-25-2017, 05:51 PM   #159
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We are starting to see more deer but they are rutting hard every time a doe walks out it has a buck on her butt. We are having are best of luck in open flats on hand corn


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Old 11-25-2017, 09:29 PM   #160
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Size:  56.0 KB shot this one Friday morning. He was with a bigger 9 and a 4 point. Seems like the rut has come and gone a little early in Edwards
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Old 11-25-2017, 10:01 PM   #161
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I have not seen any rut here unless I completely missed it since opening weekend. None of the does have had any bucks chasing them. If it’s come and gone it was really early.
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Old 11-25-2017, 10:18 PM   #162
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There probably still at it, I just think I stared earlier than usual and is winding down now rather than just getting good
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Old 11-26-2017, 12:22 AM   #163
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Its been real slow at my place outside of Camp Wood. It was warm today, still tons of acorns and sounded like a war zone.
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Old 11-26-2017, 09:50 AM   #164
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Hunted in Edwards/Camp Wood from Thursday-Thursday this past week. Small bucks were starting to push. I did have my first bull elk encounter while stalking around. Have a few big bucks on cam still but I wasn’t feeder hunting this trip so no clue how the action is at the feeders.
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Old 11-27-2017, 08:46 AM   #165
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Found a blackbuck on the ranch road that was laid up. Twice when he tried to stand he fell down. When he did get up and stagger off I noticed one of his legs was broken and swinging so I decided to put him down. Not the way I hoped or imagined, but my 4th free range exotic species taken off the ranch. No celebration ensued, I wanted this guy to grow bigger and actually hunt him, not a mercy kill. He had a puncture under his armpit and on the shoulder- I think he got his butt kicked in a fight by one of the larger guys running around.


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Old 11-27-2017, 09:35 AM   #166
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Found a blackbuck on the ranch road that was laid up. Twice when he tried to stand he fell down. When he did get up and stagger off I noticed one of his legs was broken and swinging so I decided to put him down. Not the way I hoped or imagined, but my 4th free range exotic species taken off the ranch. No celebration ensued, I wanted this guy to grow bigger and actually hunt him, not a mercy kill. He had a puncture under his armpit and on the shoulder- I think he got his butt kicked in a fight by one of the larger guys running around.

Man, that's a bummer.. beautiful lil creature!
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Old 11-30-2017, 12:19 PM   #167
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Not excited about the warmer weather but I’m going to hit the road this afternoon for the ranch. Really hoping the 8pt I call Shorty gives me a shot opportunity.



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Old 11-30-2017, 02:04 PM   #168
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I hunt off of 3235 between Garven store and Rocksprings in Real County. Rattled in 6 bucks last Sunday am. Nothing over 3 1/2 though. Most of the older bucks we had on cam have been no shows so far. Lots of acorns. My son did shoot a nice axis this summer. Can only get up there a couple more trips this year, so hopefully we will time it right.
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Old 11-30-2017, 03:36 PM   #169
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I hunt off of 3235 between Garven store and Rocksprings in Real County. Rattled in 6 bucks last Sunday am. Nothing over 3 1/2 though. Most of the older bucks we had on cam have been no shows so far. Lots of acorns. My son did shoot a nice axis this summer. Can only get up there a couple more trips this year, so hopefully we will time it right.
Beautiful Axis! Congratulations to your son!

Our buck axis had shed their horns.. we saw 2 or 3 big mature males with nubs this past week!
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Old 11-30-2017, 03:57 PM   #170
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Found a blackbuck on the ranch road that was laid up. Twice when he tried to stand he fell down. When he did get up and stagger off I noticed one of his legs was broken and swinging so I decided to put him down. Not the way I hoped or imagined, but my 4th free range exotic species taken off the ranch. No celebration ensued, I wanted this guy to grow bigger and actually hunt him, not a mercy kill. He had a puncture under his armpit and on the shoulder- I think he got his butt kicked in a fight by one of the larger guys running around.

Bummer but a good story to go along with your trophy. The first buck that we caught last week in our DMP capture had a puncture wound in his shoulder. He is a nice 160" (4.5 yr old) buck but was not the correct buck so we let him go. Hopefully he makes it!
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Old 11-30-2017, 04:12 PM   #171
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Great pics. Sorry to hear about the BB.
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Old 11-30-2017, 04:26 PM   #172
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Incredible pics, looks like you need to invest in bigger feeders. What an abundance of wildlife.
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Old 11-30-2017, 09:00 PM   #173
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Rosco, we saw a couple too that had nubs, but also saw a couple still in hard horn last week.
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Old 12-01-2017, 09:32 AM   #174
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Our axis are shedding also. Found this pair last weekend.
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Old 12-01-2017, 11:58 AM   #175
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Old 12-03-2017, 03:32 PM   #176
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Any of you guys going to have an opening for the 2018 season I'm in need of a new lease bad will to pay 4k maybe more for the right place would really like to have axis pm if you have something thanks.
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Old 12-05-2017, 11:34 AM   #177
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Bummer but a good story to go along with your trophy. The first buck that we caught last week in our DMP capture had a puncture wound in his shoulder. He is a nice 160" (4.5 yr old) buck but was not the correct buck so we let him go. Hopefully he makes it!
Thanks Hunter. I don’t think the Blackbuck are quite as tough as a whitetail, thoughts? Got all caught up on your thread as well! Exciting stuff!
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Those are 600 and 800lb feeders. Have 3 mega feeders coming in that will hold 2000lbs of timed protein and 1000lbs of corn mix to broadcast.

Went out to the ranch last Thursday through Sunday. Spent most of my time with the bow- starting at a feeder but quickly getting bored and stalking around. Couldn’t find anything mature enough. Ended up breaking out my .308 on Sunday morning because I had an itchy trigger finger. Maybe even a little blood lust? 9:35am I let out a few grunt calls and a deer I call the Kicker 8 stepped out a few minutes after.


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Old 12-05-2017, 11:39 AM   #178
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Thanks Hunter. I don’t think the Blackbuck are quite as tough as a whitetail, thoughts? Got all caught up on your thread as well! Exciting stuff!

Those are 600 and 800lb feeders. Have 3 mega feeders coming in that will hold 2000lbs of timed protein and 1000lbs of corn mix to broadcast.

Went out to the ranch last Thursday through Sunday. Spent most of my time with the bow- starting at a feeder but quickly getting bored and stalking around. Couldn’t find anything mature enough. Ended up breaking out my .308 on Sunday morning because I had an itchy trigger finger. Maybe even a little blood lust? 9:35am I let out a few grunt calls and a deer I call the Kicker 8 stepped out a few minutes after.



Nope. Blackbuck are definitely “softer” then whitetail. You are having a heck of a year!


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Old 12-05-2017, 12:00 PM   #179
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Old 12-06-2017, 12:55 AM   #180
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Sorry to hijack Patton but I need the attention of this audience.

Any of you guys in Real county seeing/hearing more coyotes than ever?
Anyone actually seeing fawns?
What percentage of your fawns survive if you were to guess?
How are y'alls deer populations doing in general? Growing or depleting?

If you have good or bad news please let me know. Post here or Pm me with details.

We are in Southern Real County about 6 miles west of Concan up 1051 on 830 acres low fence. Our deer numbers are a joke. Less than 15 different deer have been seen on camera since July. Zero fawns have survived the last 3 years. So far this season we've recorded 17 sits, 1 aoudad was seen, one coyote, one fox, 4 turkey. I've hunted here my whole life and over the last 5 years things just continue to get worse.

I know of roughly 38,000 acres of other land owners/lease members that can answer the above questions with answers you don't want to hear if you're a deer hunter.

Examples like: 4000 acres 7 deer taken a year if they're lucky; 6500 acres .65 deer seen per hunt 100 sits recorded 7 deer shot last year; 1600 acres 0 deer seen on camera since July 2 doe shot the only 2 deer they've seen; 1000 acres high fence had a healthy axis herd two years ago now has zero, one whitetail seen so far this season; 12,000 acres - ranch manger works 8,000 of it he just killed coyote number 48 for the year zero fawns have survived; 2100 acres 10 deer seen all season last year 2 deer killed.

I've spoken with a biologist and we have pieced together enough reports to confidently say there is a serious coyote problem depleting the deer population between Knippa to Vance and East of Concan to Barksdale.

I'm trying to round up everyone/anyone else that is experiencing similar conditions in this area so I/we can approach the state for assistance in predator control. The more the better so please speak up if you're seeing the same.

If you are hunting West and North of this area you might not be affected yet but know that this is spreading both North and West of the area I've outlined.

If you are a lease member/hunter in this area please try and be respectful of our natural resource and abstain from shooting a ton of doe. I understand you've paid a lot to hunt a piece of property and want to get your money's worth but try and only take what you truly need. This area is going to need a lot of help before it recovers.

Sorry to be a downer but I thought y'all should know.
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Old 12-06-2017, 06:44 AM   #181
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Sorry to hijack Patton but I need the attention of this audience.

Any of you guys in Real county seeing/hearing more coyotes than ever?
Anyone actually seeing fawns?
What percentage of your fawns survive if you were to guess?
How are y'alls deer populations doing in general? Growing or depleting?

If you have good or bad news please let me know. Post here or Pm me with details.

We are in Southern Real County about 6 miles west of Concan up 1051 on 830 acres low fence. Our deer numbers are a joke. Less than 15 different deer have been seen on camera since July. Zero fawns have survived the last 3 years. So far this season we've recorded 17 sits, 1 aoudad was seen, one coyote, one fox, 4 turkey. I've hunted here my whole life and over the last 5 years things just continue to get worse.

I know of roughly 38,000 acres of other land owners/lease members that can answer the above questions with answers you don't want to hear if you're a deer hunter.

Examples like: 4000 acres 7 deer taken a year if they're lucky; 6500 acres .65 deer seen per hunt 100 sits recorded 7 deer shot last year; 1600 acres 0 deer seen on camera since July 2 doe shot the only 2 deer they've seen; 1000 acres high fence had a healthy axis herd two years ago now has zero, one whitetail seen so far this season; 12,000 acres - ranch manger works 8,000 of it he just killed coyote number 48 for the year zero fawns have survived; 2100 acres 10 deer seen all season last year 2 deer killed.

I've spoken with a biologist and we have pieced together enough reports to confidently say there is a serious coyote problem depleting the deer population between Knippa to Vance and East of Concan to Barksdale.

I'm trying to round up everyone/anyone else that is experiencing similar conditions in this area so I/we can approach the state for assistance in predator control. The more the better so please speak up if you're seeing the same.

If you are hunting West and North of this area you might not be affected yet but know that this is spreading both North and West of the area I've outlined.

If you are a lease member/hunter in this area please try and be respectful of our natural resource and abstain from shooting a ton of doe. I understand you've paid a lot to hunt a piece of property and want to get your money's worth but try and only take what you truly need. This area is going to need a lot of help before it recovers.

Sorry to be a downer but I thought y'all should know.
I'm in 5500 acres with several other guys. My direct hunting area is rocky and has a bit deeper canyons than the rest of the property. With that I have a smaller population but it makes it easier for me to track. I'd say my population has grown 40% over the past three years. We have managed our property a little better over this time and I've certainly have used disciplined mgmt on my area. Last year we did hear coyotes multiple times in the early evenings for the first time in the six years my father has been on the ranch. No one ever saw one though. However our fox population is strong but tiny little critters. We're off 377 45minutes west of Rocksprings then 30minutes down a dirt road
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Old 12-06-2017, 07:05 AM   #182
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Sorry to hijack Patton but I need the attention of this audience.

Any of you guys in Real county seeing/hearing more coyotes than ever?
Anyone actually seeing fawns?
What percentage of your fawns survive if you were to guess?
How are y'alls deer populations doing in general? Growing or depleting?

If you have good or bad news please let me know. Post here or Pm me with details.

We are in Southern Real County about 6 miles west of Concan up 1051 on 830 acres low fence. Our deer numbers are a joke. Less than 15 different deer have been seen on camera since July. Zero fawns have survived the last 3 years. So far this season we've recorded 17 sits, 1 aoudad was seen, one coyote, one fox, 4 turkey. I've hunted here my whole life and over the last 5 years things just continue to get worse.

I know of roughly 38,000 acres of other land owners/lease members that can answer the above questions with answers you don't want to hear if you're a deer hunter.

Examples like: 4000 acres 7 deer taken a year if they're lucky; 6500 acres .65 deer seen per hunt 100 sits recorded 7 deer shot last year; 1600 acres 0 deer seen on camera since July 2 doe shot the only 2 deer they've seen; 1000 acres high fence had a healthy axis herd two years ago now has zero, one whitetail seen so far this season; 12,000 acres - ranch manger works 8,000 of it he just killed coyote number 48 for the year zero fawns have survived; 2100 acres 10 deer seen all season last year 2 deer killed.

I've spoken with a biologist and we have pieced together enough reports to confidently say there is a serious coyote problem depleting the deer population between Knippa to Vance and East of Concan to Barksdale.

I'm trying to round up everyone/anyone else that is experiencing similar conditions in this area so I/we can approach the state for assistance in predator control. The more the better so please speak up if you're seeing the same.

If you are hunting West and North of this area you might not be affected yet but know that this is spreading both North and West of the area I've outlined.

If you are a lease member/hunter in this area please try and be respectful of our natural resource and abstain from shooting a ton of doe. I understand you've paid a lot to hunt a piece of property and want to get your money's worth but try and only take what you truly need. This area is going to need a lot of help before it recovers.

Sorry to be a downer but I thought y'all should know.
We get invited to hunt a place south of Camp Wood and this year the yotes were heard quite often and deer numbers were WAY down. We chalked it up to acorns as this was the second weekend in November. But I can tell you in 12 years of hunting that place this is the first year ive ever heard them.

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Old 12-06-2017, 07:34 AM   #183
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I’m just west of barksdale and I have heard them a couple of times this season but have not seen any. Our numbers are about the same as normal but the bucks have not been around much since September. A state trapper has signs on our place but idk if he is actively trapping.

I hunted a 10,000 acre ranch out of Reagan wells about 8 yrs ago and the deer numbers drastically fell over the last few years we were there. Biologists speculated some kind weed was interfering with their reproduction. Idk. The exotics seemed to fair ok.
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Old 12-06-2017, 08:00 AM   #184
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I've hunted outside Campwood for 20+ years. The deer numbers have been down...at the feeders. Still getting lots of pics before the bumper acorn crops the past couple of years. I've had my son hunting most of the trips with me so I haven't really had the chance to sneak around to see what's moving.

We have seen an occasional coyote and did hear them on the last trip back to our East. However, we saw no less than a dozen cottontails driving in that morning. No way there's that many bunnies and a heavy predator problem.

May try to slip down again in the next couple of weeks.
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Old 12-06-2017, 08:05 AM   #185
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We are on 55 about 13 miles north of Uvalde. We hear Coyotes pretty much every hunt, and see them from time to time as well. I think there is deff something to this coyote thing. Our deer numbers aren't what they used to be.

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Old 12-06-2017, 08:44 AM   #186
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I've hunted outside Campwood for 20+ years. The deer numbers have been down...at the feeders. Still getting lots of pics before the bumper acorn crops the past couple of years. I've had my son hunting most of the trips with me so I haven't really had the chance to sneak around to see what's moving.

We have seen an occasional coyote and did hear them on the last trip back to our East. However, we saw no less than a dozen cottontails driving in that morning. No way there's that many bunnies and a heavy predator problem.

May try to slip down again in the next couple of weeks.
So I hunted our property since I was born. From 2000 to now I have hunted it really hard bow only and have really watched everything closely.

I have said and thought the same thing about the yote/cottontail population.
But Our cottontail population is better than I can remember and so is our Turkey population. Jackrabbits on the other hand are nonexistent. Can't remember the last one I've seen, it could have been 6+ years ago. I agree the cottontail population should be going the other way but for whatever reason ours is growing.

Have you noticed over the last 5 years how more people seem to complaining or attributing less activity due to acorns crops. I agree they do spread the deer out and they don't hit feeders as much. That being said you've hunted near CW for 20 plus years, could it be that you have less deer and the acorns are effecting the hunting more so than years past? I seem to fight the acorns all season now but in the past they were all pretty much cleaned up by thanksgiving.

If you're in Campwood this problem is heading your way, you're just now seeing them move in IMO

How many of y'all have had legitimate archery shots at coyotes? I'm not talking about 50 yards running?

Within 2 miles as the crow flies I know of 3 legitimate archery misses at coyotes. 14 yards walking, and (2) 30 yards standing. Pretty rare in that country.

Everyone needs to report their Fawn crops if possible this is a leading indicator.
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Old 12-06-2017, 10:02 AM   #187
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We hunted a ranch near Campwood that had the West Prong of the Nueces ran through it. We were on it for 4 years and by Christmas the first year we had seen almost no deer. We hunted 4000 acres and I'm talking we had shot maybe 2 does between the 12-14 guns on the lease and that wasn't because we were choosing not to. Come to find out they had a bad anthrax out break and the deer numbers just weren't there anymore. We saw tons of cottontails, turkeys, and even pigs, but the deer just weren't there. By our last year on the place we had started to see "better" numbers (one deer every other sit) but we had found a new place in Junction so we were headed that way. Is an anthrax outbreak not something y'all think might be actually what is causing this? I'm honestly just curious because it sounds an awful lot like what we experienced.
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Old 12-06-2017, 10:14 AM   #188
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We hunted a ranch near Campwood that had the West Prong of the Nueces ran through it. We were on it for 4 years and by Christmas the first year we had seen almost no deer. We hunted 4000 acres and I'm talking we had shot maybe 2 does between the 12-14 guns on the lease and that wasn't because we were choosing not to. Come to find out they had a bad anthrax out break and the deer numbers just weren't there anymore. We saw tons of cottontails, turkeys, and even pigs, but the deer just weren't there. By our last year on the place we had started to see "better" numbers (one deer every other sit) but we had found a new place in Junction so we were headed that way. Is an anthrax outbreak not something y'all think might be actually what is causing this? I'm honestly just curious because it sounds an awful lot like what we experienced.
We been through a couple of the Anthrax outbreaks and they were a cake walk compared to this.

After antrax is gone the Fawns replenish the population. No fawns are making it thus no population growth.

The drought around 2012 had a significant impact no doubt but since then the coyotes have moved in. Pretty much a death sentence.

Despite good rains and improved habitat our numbers continue to go down. We havent killed a doe since 2006 and still our population has not increased.

In 2013 we had double the deer we have now.

We took 3 bucks that year all 5.5 or older since then nothing.
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Old 12-06-2017, 11:07 AM   #189
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We been through a couple of the Anthrax outbreaks and they were a cake walk compared to this.

After antrax is gone the Fawns replenish the population. No fawns are making it thus no population growth.

The drought around 2012 had a significant impact no doubt but since then the coyotes have moved in. Pretty much a death sentence.

Despite good rains and improved habitat our numbers continue to go down. We havent killed a doe since 2006 and still our population has not increased.

In 2013 we had double the deer we have now.

We took 3 bucks that year all 5.5 or older since then nothing.

Not having this problem, about 25 miles west of Barksdale. Once in awhile we'll hear a coyote; I got a couple last year. Bumper crop of acorns this year, that slows them down at the feeders.
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Old 12-06-2017, 11:41 AM   #190
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Sounds to me like y'all need some coyote hunters with NV and thermal. If only I knew a guy . . .
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Old 12-06-2017, 11:55 AM   #191
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Sounds to me like y'all need some coyote hunters with NV and thermal. If only I knew a guy . . .
Ive had 2 professional varmit hunters on our particular place. We did countless hours of this with no shot opportunities. This county is particularly rough terrain and mostly canyons where the wind swirls.

Professional Trapping is really the only solution I see.
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Old 12-06-2017, 12:46 PM   #192
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Ive had 2 professional varmit hunters on our particular place. We did countless hours of this with no shot opportunities. This county is particularly rough terrain and mostly canyons where the wind swirls.

Professional Trapping is really the only solution I see.
Snares on barbed wife fences are very effective out towards Leander/Liberty Hill.
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Old 12-06-2017, 10:36 PM   #193
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Killed dozens of fox but I have yet to see a coyote on our lease in North Edwards county. We have tried several different calls with no luck. It is strange because the main ranch guide says he see’s them all the time and they have been particularly bad this year. The guy to our south says he always sees them also but I did not ask if they were particularly bad this year.

I have not seen many fawns this year so I suspect the coyotes are out there.
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Old 12-06-2017, 11:04 PM   #194
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Anybody need help with predator control?
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Old 12-06-2017, 11:43 PM   #195
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I am in northern Edwards county, about 20 miles southwest of Telegraph as the crow flies. The local rancher says that the varmint numbers are at an all time high right now. I now hear coyotes every time I’m at the ranch, and I’ve never heard nor seen one before last year - not even on a game camera.

We still have a ton of white tail, Axis, and blackbuck. But our turkey numbers have dwindled recently- there were so many before that we dreaded them coming to feeder because they ate all the corn before the deer came in. And we hardly ever see rabbits now; there was a surplus in recent years. I suppose the predators are starting to take a toll.
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Old 12-06-2017, 11:48 PM   #196
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I've recently seen some yote scat just off cr 310. i haven't heard any there and i'm on the plateau right before the canyons start. I've got plenty of deer but they are avoiding the corn. i've had them come in to alfalfa and sweet feed but only in the open.
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Old 12-07-2017, 10:19 AM   #197
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Got this photo from one of my fellow lease members this morning. Got some snow!
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Old 12-07-2017, 10:26 AM   #198
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Got this photo from one of my fellow lease members this morning. Got some snow!
Thats awesome!! Jealous

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Old 12-07-2017, 10:29 AM   #199
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I am in northern Edwards county, about 20 miles southwest of Telegraph as the crow flies. The local rancher says that the varmint numbers are at an all time high right now. I now hear coyotes every time I’m at the ranch, and I’ve never heard nor seen one before last year - not even on a game camera.

We still have a ton of white tail, Axis, and blackbuck. But our turkey numbers have dwindled recently- there were so many before that we dreaded them coming to feeder because they ate all the corn before the deer came in. And we hardly ever see rabbits now; there was a surplus in recent years. I suppose the predators are starting to take a toll.

All I can tell you is that we had Never seen, heard, gotten a trail camera picture of, or found scat of a coyote in the 37 years of ownership of the place until 4 years ago. Other owners in the canyon say that the last time they had seen coyotes was in the early 70s.

That is a lot of generations of Deer that have never been around nor had to worry about Coyotes. Thus when they came in they had a relatively easy time wiping out our herd.

If you are hearing them for the first time you might want to start a management program sooner than later.

We didn't act when we should have and we are paying the price.

For those that want to say/think... get off the feeders it's just the acorns. I assure you this is not whats going on.

Look at your fawns!

If you're still seeing fawns your probably ok.

If not you probably have a problem.

I have a close relationship with my neighbors. 2 ranch managers that oversee a combined 18,500 acres cannot find a fawn that survived the summer.

The 12,000 acre ranch encompassed in the above 18,500 did two surveys over the summer with biologists. These were ride around spotlight surveys and they spent a total of 12 hours per survey.

--- How many Doe do you think they counted???
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Thats a beautiful site!

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