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Old 12-07-2017, 07:52 AM   #101
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i haven't read all of the replys so this may have been said already, if so I apologize.

do yourself a favor and do a little research on tuning your bow. the reason you couldn't get fixed heads to fly with field points is a tuning issue. (meaning your arrow isn't flying "straight") sure it might hit where you're aiming, but its not hitting straight. this has a lot to do with your penetration issues. add an expandable to the equation, and it is magnifying the penetration issue. I have little doubt that your set-up with a good fixed head would have broke that bone, ive seen it, hell ive done it on a mature Kansas buck. my set up is 62lbs at 27.5" draw. a fixed head is going to penetrate better than an expandable, but that doesn't mean you need to be shooting a fixed head. you just need to get a better tune on your bow. I think this will fix your problem. arrows that fly like darts will always penetrate better.
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Old 12-07-2017, 08:03 AM   #102
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Old 12-07-2017, 10:04 AM   #103
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i haven't read all of the replys so this may have been said already, if so I apologize.

do yourself a favor and do a little research on tuning your bow. the reason you couldn't get fixed heads to fly with field points is a tuning issue. (meaning your arrow isn't flying "straight") sure it might hit where you're aiming, but its not hitting straight. this has a lot to do with your penetration issues. add an expandable to the equation, and it is magnifying the penetration issue. I have little doubt that your set-up with a good fixed head would have broke that bone, ive seen it, hell ive done it on a mature Kansas buck. my set up is 62lbs at 27.5" draw. a fixed head is going to penetrate better than an expandable, but that doesn't mean you need to be shooting a fixed head. you just need to get a better tune on your bow. I think this will fix your problem. arrows that fly like darts will always penetrate better.
Can you "tune" a bow without a bow press?
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Old 12-07-2017, 10:24 AM   #104
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Can you "tune" a bow without a bow press?
Absolutely. Look on YouTube, there are lots of good videos.
I'm no guru, and I guess there could be some cases where you would need a press, but I've never run into one. I have only tuned about 5 bows, and all of them were different it seems. But end result is the same.
Just this year my my broadheads we're about 4" right and low at 20 yards to about 8" at 40 yards. It took me a few days but with some time and tinkering it's lights out field tips/broadheads out to 60 yards. (That's as far as I shoot). Before tuning, my field tips we're dead on out to 60. Without knowing any better, you would have thought it was tuned.

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Old 12-07-2017, 10:25 AM   #105
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Absolutely. Look on YouTube, there are lots of good videos.
I'm no guru, and I guess there could be some cases where you would need a press, but I've never run into one. I have only tuned about 5 bows, and all of them were different it seems. But end result is the same.
Just this year my my broadheads we're about 4" right and low at 20 yards to about 8" at 40 yards. It took me a few days but with some time and tinkering it's lights out field tips/broadheads out to 60 yards. (That's as far as I shoot). Before tuning, my field tips we're dead on out to 60. Without knowing any better, you would have thought it was tuned.

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Do you paper tune? Or is it beyond that?
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Old 12-07-2017, 10:33 AM   #106
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Do you paper tune? Or is it beyond that?
At risk of being run off the site, I generally go to archery talk to find specific tuning instructions for the bow I am dealing with at the time. I can normally find a few very detailed threads from knocking point, centershot, rest position, even cable slide position. This gives me a very close to tune bow, then it normally comes down to very minute adjustments to the rest from there.

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Old 12-07-2017, 01:27 PM   #107
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At risk of being run off the site, I generally go to archery talk to find specific tuning instructions for the bow I am dealing with at the time. I can normally find a few very detailed threads from knocking point, centershot, rest position, even cable slide position. This gives me a very close to tune bow, then it normally comes down to very minute adjustments to the rest from there.

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Old 12-07-2017, 01:31 PM   #108
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Old 12-08-2017, 10:00 PM   #109
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I believe that when it comes to a broadheads conversation it truly is just a personal preference. I've done so much research, reading, watching videos and i still haven't been able to decide on broadhead to try first that I like and feel like will do what I'm wanting.
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Old 12-08-2017, 10:08 PM   #110
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Not only nope, but ### no! Been there ad done that and will not go back!
Good to know, just now getting in to bow hunting finally. I just made a reccomendation because it's one I seen and did little research, I'm still undecided on what broadhead I want to start with for next year first bow hunt
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Old 12-08-2017, 10:10 PM   #111
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Lol...nothing like adding a parachute behind your broadhead...physics is a *****

Do yíall not realize that the OP is trying to increase penetration?
Good to know, just now getting in to bow hunting finally. I just made a reccomendation because it's one I seen and did little research, I'm still undecided on what broadhead I want to start with for next year first bow hunt
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Old 12-08-2017, 10:22 PM   #112
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It does not matter which head you hit a Midwest brute in the shoulder with. I can tell you this from more than 4 self experiences.

Fixed blade is your best bet. The smaller width of the head to me is better for penetration. Cut on contact is a must. 440+ total grains of arrow will also help.

I like the viper tricks on the front of a 450 total grain arrow.
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Old 12-08-2017, 11:31 PM   #113
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I assume he is speaking of 29.5 draw length but only 28" shaft.

I use the Slick Trick standard and want to try the Slick Trick Magnums
The Standard has not failed me. Punched through two hogs at the same time killing both in less than 30 yards each and great blood. Slick Tricks punch a good hole, not just a slice like 2 blade heads do.
Try and tinker with your setup a bit. There may be something you can do to get the ST to fly better at longer ranges. Mine fly great out to 40, as that is the absolute furthest i will shoot at any game. Most shots are within 20, so they work great for me.


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Old 12-09-2017, 12:04 AM   #114
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Good to know, just now getting in to bow hunting finally. I just made a reccomendation because it's one I seen and did little research, I'm still undecided on what broadhead I want to start with for next year first bow hunt


Welcome to the sport! A ton of us are willing to help with any info you need. Use our failures and real world testing so you donít have to learn the hard way like some of us did
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Old 12-09-2017, 01:12 AM   #115
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Iíve had ramcats in my quiver for 2 years now. Hadnít shot anything with them, but the other day while hunting I knocked an arrow and 1 blade was bent! Those heads have been no where but my quiver, and were not bent just weeks before. I took them off, and put slick trick mags back on. Next season Iíll be deciding if I want to stick with the slick tricks or try another head. Iíve been looking at the exodus, thunderheads and good ole muzzy.


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Old 12-09-2017, 01:29 AM   #116
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Do you paper tune? Or is it beyond that?


I like a good broadhead topic, like antler restrictions and black panthers
My thoughts on tuning - paper tuning in archery is what bore sighting is to a rifle. Itís only part of the process. Thereís bare shaft, walk back, broadhead tuning. When tuned the bow should shoot a fixed head well.


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Old 12-09-2017, 11:01 PM   #117
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Welcome to the sport! A ton of us are willing to help with any info you need. Use our failures and real world testing so you donít have to learn the hard way like some of us did
Thank you very much! I'm excited to have joined the bow hunting community! And thank you very much for the advice offer, will definitely need it at some point lol, still lots of learning in my future
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nothing beats the magnus stinger for long range accuracy, and offers the best penetration at all ranges

but for the wider cut i suggest the black hornet, i have shot them out to 100 yards also
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Old Yesterday, 09:10 AM   #119
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When you hit bone thereís not much if anything that will do any better.


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Not being an ace when I say this but I don't u,understand chasing broadheads or switching every time a bad shot was made.
I have shot thunderheads for the last 15 plus years and they have served me well. If I made a bad shot I wouldn't blame or change because of that and if the ones you use have also I would stick with them.
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Old Yesterday, 10:21 AM   #121
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Not being an ace when I say this but I don't u,understand chasing broadheads or switching every time a bad shot was made.
I have shot thunderheads for the last 15 plus years and they have served me well. If I made a bad shot I wouldn't blame or change because of that and if the ones you use have also I would stick with them.
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If you read the entire post, you should understand I took credit for my shot. I would not be afraid to shoot a deer with a Rage again tomorrow. It just got me to considering maybe I should consider something that can penetrate better especially when I'm shooting big mid west deer.
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Iíll have to disagree with this statement. Have you read the Ashby studies?
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If you read the entire post, you should understand I took credit for my shot. I would not be afraid to shoot a deer with a Rage again tomorrow. It just got me to considering maybe I should consider something that can penetrate better especially when I'm shooting big mid west deer.
The vitals of a big Midwest deer are in the same spot as any other deer, and the chest cavity is only about 4" thicker, and just as soft.
Shot placement trumps head design and arrow weight.
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Old Yesterday, 10:24 PM   #124
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The vitals of a big Midwest deer are in the same spot as any other deer, and the chest cavity is only about 4" thicker, and just as soft.
Shot placement trumps head design and arrow weight.
You're right! I must have forgot it's not possible to miss your mark by a few inches when shooting at a big buck. We should all just shoot field points!!
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