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Old 07-24-2018, 08:01 PM   #1
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I am going elk hunting in September
First time to hunt elk with a bow
I am convinced I need to use a fixblade vs the mechanical im used to
Looking for suggestions that will do the needed damage to a big bull
Please speak from experience only not hypothetical suggestions
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Old 07-24-2018, 08:10 PM   #2
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Doing the same and from all the research and podcasts done by Gus that kill multiple bulls a year, youíre best bet is with slick trick standards or viper tricks, muzzy trocar, qad exodus, and iron will. Iíll be shooting iron wills.

Again, this is from guys that hunt several stars a year and have shot almost every head made.


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Old 07-24-2018, 08:14 PM   #3
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In...what grain broadhead and arrow needed?
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Don’t over think it, unless you have a micro draw length and itty bitty back muscles and also shooting traditional equipment, in that case just use a two blade 1” cut.

If you want to spend lots of money and have a really sexy Broadhead then Solids, Iron Will, and German Kenetic.

If you spent all your money on tags,Muzzy and Slick tricks and Magnus and steel force.

I like solids and the old ulmer edges.

Note that some of the two blade Broadhead s have 1” cuts and blood trails on an elk can be lacking, especially if higher lung
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Old 07-24-2018, 08:19 PM   #5
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Don't know if there is a best. Shoot whatever you are most comfortable with and shoot the best. I was really impressed with the Iron Will last year. The Bull was at 56 yards when I ranged him and steady walking away. I stopped him with a cow call, put my 60 yard pin on him and hit him behind the the shoulder and it passed through the opposite shoulder blade. I plan on using them again this year and hopefully get to try them out again on another elk. Slick Trick standards are now my back up broadheads.

Good luck on your hunt and choice of broadheads!
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Definitely go with a fixed head, period. I've shot 4 elk in the last 4 hunts I've been on. The first 2 we're using Rage Hypodermics. None of which passed through. The second elk was heart shot and ran 40 yards, leaving a massive blood trail after 20 yards. The last 2 elk I've shot using QAD Exodus 100gr. Swept blades and won't go back to anything else. Both shots went through at least 1 rib and part of shoulder to stick in the ground past each elk.

I've been glued to a lot of the hunting shows lately where Elk are hunted and really think they are doing a disservice by promoting the Rage's for large, elk-sized game.
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In...what grain broadhead and arrow needed?


Here is a pic from m a post on another forum. 52 yards, 420 grain arrow, 70 pound draw, frontal shot on a bull and here is the exit wound with an iron will.

You donít need 500 grains and 20% foc to go through a bull. You need great arrow flight and a broad head designed to penetrate.


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Here is a pic from m a post on another forum. 52 yards, 420 grain arrow, 70 pound draw, frontal shot on a bull and here is the exit wound with an iron will.

You donít need 500 grains and 20% foc to go through a bull. You need great arrow flight and a broad head designed to penetrate.


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Mic drop..... Iím sure somebody will argue against that pic though..
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Mic drop..... Iím sure somebody will argue against that pic though..


If you think about it, not a lot of solid bone pass the sternum. I can see this easily happening.


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I prefer a fixed two blade, cut on contact!

I haven't killed that many elk, but what I've killed went down with out any problems with a two blade Magnus!
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What is your set up? Bow model, poundage, draw length, arrow spine, total weight, FPS, etc. Do you Broadhead tune or just be like most folks and screw on a BH at the trail head? What state are you hunting and what kind of terrain?

If you are hunting Idaho it has to be a fixed blade head. If you are hunting eastern Montana or wide open AZ or NM a great fling mechanical with enough momentum in your set up can be killer. But hunting thick stuff you may want a big three blade or COC two blade for frontals. I have personally killed three elk with my bow, two with Montecs and one with a Magnus Buzzcut. With that said, I’ve seen a couple killed with Rages at very far distances and they killed them deader than heck. But they were shot by good archers with quality set ups.
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Smoke Ramcats, 100 grain 1 3/8" cut or the 125's, 1 1/2" cut. Killed a 1000# 345" 6x5 bull in CO with 2 full passthrus at 38 and 42 yards. Bull went 40 yards an died. These heads fly like darts also!

Also used them on some big critters in Africa with great success!
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Old 07-25-2018, 06:01 AM   #13
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I have killed a bunch of elk with a 125 XL silver flames.
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Old 07-25-2018, 06:39 AM   #14
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G5 Montec 100 grain, all you need.
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Old 07-25-2018, 06:56 AM   #15
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Smoke Ramcats, 100 grain 1 3/8" cut or the 125's, 1 1/2" cut. Killed a 1000# 345" 6x5 bull in CO with 2 full passthrus at 38 and 42 yards. Bull went 40 yards an died. These heads fly like darts also!

Also used them on some big critters in Africa with great success!
It sure is hard to beat those heads. Iíve killed a pile of animals with them.
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Old 07-25-2018, 06:59 AM   #16
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If you think about it, not a lot of solid bone pass the sternum. I can see this easily happening.


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I’ve seen 650 gr arrow with 21% FOC @ 250ft/s shooting 2 blade single bevel head not make it through an elk shoulder.

With that said over 4’ is a long ways... it’s shows what’s possible with a 1” head, and proper placement

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You may wish to try out the NAP Hellrazor, I found them very good flyers and they re-sharpen very well

https://www.newarchery.com/product/hellrazor/

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Old 07-25-2018, 07:50 AM   #18
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I shot a bull last year 3 times at 30, 40, and 40 yards. First two shots were passed through like butter with a QAD 100gr Swept Blade. Third shot has no penetration at all with my blunt tipped grouse arrow.

I highly recommend QAD's. I don't recommend shooting elk with blunt tipped arrows.
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Old 07-25-2018, 07:53 AM   #19
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I am going elk hunting in September
First time to hunt elk with a bow
I am convinced I need to use a fixblade vs the mechanical im used to
Looking for suggestions that will do the needed damage to a big bull
Please speak from experience only not hypothetical suggestions
Thanks in advance
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I've killed one with a bow. 125 slick trick. I have a 32 inch draw and shoot uncut arrows, it was an angling shot and the arrow completely disappeared. He went 50 yards.

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Old 07-25-2018, 08:05 AM   #20
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I use the Slick std it was a pass through I am looking at the new wicked trick this year But to be honest the std broad head has passed through everything i have shot with it .

If its not broken . I am not a fan of mechanical at all , nor a broad head I have to sharpen .
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Old 07-25-2018, 08:38 AM   #21
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I have killed a bunch of elk with a 125 XL silver flames.
We're they calves
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Old 07-25-2018, 08:44 AM   #22
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Iíve seen 650 gr arrow with 21% FOC @ 250ft/s shooting 2 blade single bevel head not make it through an elk shoulder.

With that said over 4í is a long ways... itís shows whatís possible with a 1Ē head, and proper placement
As I do not believe in the 650 arrow. I do have a problem as why the 650 didnít go through. Lots of factors. Would have been interesting to have seen.

Iíve never shot an elk but I have a water buffalo. So I can say with out a doubt if I can take a water buffalo with a 465 gr arrow I should have no problems with a 465 on an elk. Itís all in how you build your penetration system.
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Anyone ever used Grim Reapers on elk?
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Old 07-25-2018, 01:19 PM   #24
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I have been watching Levi Morgans new show (Bowlife) and he shoots Swacker only. He had some great kills so far on Carribou, mule deer, and pronghorn. If he can get penetration like than on caribou, an elk is no problem.


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Old 07-25-2018, 02:38 PM   #25
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I used a swhacker on this guy. But one blade broke off...but I got him. Not sure I would recommend tho. Something like a montec would be great.
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I shot a bull last year 3 times at 30, 40, and 40 yards. First two shots were passed through like butter with a QAD 100gr Swept Blade. Third shot has no penetration at all with my blunt tipped grouse arrow.

I highly recommend QAD's. I don't recommend shooting elk with blunt tipped arrows.
There has to be a great story behind that last arrow.

I never shot one but my setup when I was chasing them actively a couple years ago was the 125 gr vipertricks. They flew great out of my setup out to 80+ yards with 457 gr carnivore arrows running 18% foc that were built specifically for hunting elk out west.
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Old 07-25-2018, 03:48 PM   #27
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I shot a couple elk with muzzy. I would just buy fixed blades and spend the time tuning your bow. My range for elk is much more. A 50/60 yard shots on a elk is gtg. Also practice less than 10 yard shots. Trust me.
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Old 07-25-2018, 06:06 PM   #28
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I appreciate all the advice so far
Lots of good intel
Prob gonna try some slick trick
Have heard lots of good things about them for a while now
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Old 07-25-2018, 06:17 PM   #29
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The fixed blade that goes where you want it to....

Seriously, find a fixed head that shoots good out of your setup. If you are confident that you can put it in a good spot, youíll be less hesitant when the time comes and youíll be smiling through gritted teeth while you pack all that meat off the mountain.


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I have only used Montec G5 since they came out....maybe 2001? they are not as sharp as they can be out of the box, but about 3 minutes of this and they are good to go.

I have also not experienced the issue with blood trails but have hunted with people that have......but I always spend a few minutes per BH to sharpen on a diamond stone.

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Old 07-25-2018, 06:46 PM   #31
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Grizz Trick 2 and Slick Trick Magnums have worked great from my limited experience.


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Old 07-25-2018, 07:03 PM   #33
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Ordered some montec G5 I like the way they can be sharpened
Plus can’t go wrong with 1 piece blade they look tough
Now only time will tell just need to find an elk first lol
Will prob get some slick tricks as well
Then I will see which ones fly the best out of my Triax

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Old 07-25-2018, 07:18 PM   #34
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I plan on slinging the 100g Ramcat Single Bevels on my 495g CE Maximas

This is from this evening at 40 yds...



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Old 07-25-2018, 07:44 PM   #36
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Rage Extreme worked well for me last year. My first time to use them on an elk and he ran 100 yds. It didn't pass through but I had a hard quartering away shot that entered off his back hip and ended up in his chest cavity. I would argue that the shot angle and placement is way more important than what broadhead you use. As many have stated, use what you are comfortable and consistent with.
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Old 07-25-2018, 09:45 PM   #37
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This. He had great penetration with the swacker on a moose at 88 as well.
He did a podcast with the primos guys and he said he builds his arrows so it stays within a certain speed and doesnít worry about the weight
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This. He had great penetration with the swacker on a moose at 88 as well.

He did a podcast with the primos guys and he said he builds his arrows so it stays within a certain speed and doesnít worry about the weight


I started shooting the raptor tricks this year. Only killed a ram with it so far, but i would not hesitate to shoot anything with it. 436gr arrow traveling 306 fps. It cut through that ram like butter and took out two ribs doing it
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Old 07-25-2018, 11:00 PM   #39
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Use what you're comfortable with and spend the extra time practicing instead of worrying about it. My buddy got a bull last year with a 2" rage trypan. And I hate rages lol.

No one has ever heart shot an elk with any broadhead and it lived to my knowledge.
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Doing the same and from all the research and podcasts done by Gus that kill multiple bulls a year, youíre best bet is with slick trick standards or viper tricks, muzzy trocar, qad exodus, and iron will. Iíll be shooting iron wills.

Again, this is from guys that hunt several stars a year and have shot almost every head made.


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I'm sure we've listened to the same podcasts and similar research. I'm a huge fan of Jak Hammer mechanicals for whitetails, and I think they'd likely be effective for elk in most situations (with my setup). Some experienced and reputable elk hunters and archers (namely Tim Gillingham and John Dudley) prefer them for their flight characteristics at longer distances and larger cutting diameter, which typically results in better blood trails. Depending on how they shoot with my new arrow setup, I'll likely have some Jak Hammers in the quiver.

That said, I'm leaning toward the Iron Wills, even at $33/head. I was hesitant to spend that much, but then when I consider that I spent $30 on a single pair of boxers, it's hard to complain about $100/pack without questioning my own priorities!

I'm also considering the Cut Throats. At half the price, I'm guessing you're getting a really good quality broadhead comparable to the IW. I'm sure the law of diminishing returns is at play with regards to differences for a broadhead at twice the price.
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As I do not believe in the 650 arrow. I do have a problem as why the 650 didnít go through. Lots of factors. Would have been interesting to have seen.

Iíve never shot an elk but I have a water buffalo. So I can say with out a doubt if I can take a water buffalo with a 465 gr arrow I should have no problems with a 465 on an elk. Itís all in how you build your penetration system.
lower part of the scapula thats solid bone. Some parts of an animal just arenít ment to be hit with an arrow. A 650gr is a pretty arrow in flight but I personally donít have the consistent enough form to hunt with it. Iím between 450 and 500 on most my arrow set ups. I shoot up to 675 playing around or working on form, but itís just to fickle to hunt with for me.
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Old 07-29-2018, 10:27 PM   #43
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Slick trix or muzzy. I killed mine with a muzzy last year and my son used slick trix. Mine ran about 40 yards and his about 100. Practice from 10 to 70 yards and practice at all angles and get in shape. Practice, practice, practice and don't change your set up if your are confrontable and confident with the way you are shooting. Practice when you are huffing and puffing since that's what your probably going to be doing. Good luck.
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Old 07-30-2018, 10:35 AM   #47
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I think most folks overthink broadheads on large animals.....use the same set up for deer as you do for elk...I would like at your arrow more than the broadhead, just be sure your broadhead is sharp. You need a heavy arrow to penetrate large animals, if you hit a rib or shoulder…..I don't like taking a quartering shot on elk, these guys stomachs are normally full of hay....look for a broadside shot and aim like you would a deer....
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I have only used Montec G5 since they came out....maybe 2001? they are not as sharp as they can be out of the box, but about 3 minutes of this and they are good to go.

I have also not experienced the issue with blood trails but have hunted with people that have......but I always spend a few minutes per BH to sharpen on a diamond stone.

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Ya, me as well. I love the design but I will say that when they started offering the carbon steel it was a game changer for getting a sharp edge on them. I have killed everything from whitetail to kudu and wildebeest and love them.
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Old 07-30-2018, 02:06 PM   #49
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There has to be a great story behind that last arrow.

I never shot one but my setup when I was chasing them actively a couple years ago was the 125 gr vipertricks. They flew great out of my setup out to 80+ yards with 457 gr carnivore arrows running 18% foc that were built specifically for hunting elk out west.
Yes, I have been told that you keep putting arrows in them until they fall. I kept pulling arrows out of my quiver. I grabbed the blunt/judo point by watching the bull and not which arrow I pulled out of the quiver. He fell after I hit him with the judo point. I skinned him out to find only two entry holes. I thought that was odd because I knew I hit him three times but was too busy to worry about it. I found the judo tip arrow the next day when I went back to get the antlers.
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Old 07-30-2018, 02:11 PM   #50
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I’ve got montec g-5
NAP Hell razors
And slick trick standards
Gonna test them all and see which fly the best
Thanks for all the info guys
Lots of different choices but I feel fix blade is deff gonna be the ticket
Hope to have educated input in a month for feedback
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