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Old 07-17-2018, 02:43 PM   #51
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If he wasnít related to you would you have already replaced him ?
It should not be your responsibility to make him show up for work, if he not reliable I think that reflects badly on your company
The customer is relying on you to complete the job in a time frame and quality of work that is acceptable to them
If a customer is unhappy with the project not getting completed in time I would think they give anyone asking about your company a less than good recommendation, or even recommend they use another company
Overall is he good for you business or not ?
As others have said family and business is difficult to mix and have a great outcome


The only good thing is this job doesnít have a deadline. Customer is wanting me to work it in when I can but I hate dragging out any job regardless.


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Old 07-17-2018, 02:48 PM   #52
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The only good thing is this job doesnít have a deadline. Customer is wanting me to work it in when I can but I hate dragging out any job regardless.


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I think you missed the point.
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Old 07-17-2018, 02:48 PM   #53
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Your definitely in a tough spot
Is this the only job you’ve had issues with him on ?

If you don’t want to replace him, you probably gonna have to learn to live with his behavior
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Old 07-17-2018, 02:50 PM   #54
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Yeah itís the anxiety mixed with his choices of coping with anxiety that are the problem.... the coping mechanism is what causes him to miss work....


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I would hate for my business to be dependent on a guy with those demons, family or not. By carrying the work load for him, you're partially enabling his poor choices. It's not likely to get better as long as that happens, and that sucks all the way around.
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Old 07-17-2018, 02:56 PM   #55
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Your definitely in a tough spot
Is this the only job youíve had issues with him on ?

If you donít want to replace him, you probably gonna have to learn to live with his behavior


Yes this is the only job. And I have another guy that has a crew and is the best carpenter Iíve ever seen. He truly is an artist. And I donít make that comment lightly. Itís where this guy learned what he knows.

However, the other guy stays busy which is fine, but he doesnít really do small jobs. He is the guy I would use on the big remodel Iím bidding.


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Old 07-17-2018, 02:58 PM   #56
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I think you missed the point.


I didnít miss the point. I caught what you are saying which is why I now know I canít use him on big jobs with hard deadlines. I have another guy that will take on anything I have as long as itís a bigger job. The customer will have to wait to get started because he stays busy and usually has 3-4 jobs lined up at a time.


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Old 07-17-2018, 03:05 PM   #57
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sounds like your family member has the upper hand in this "business" relationship. he seems to be more valuable to you than you are to him. you've been given the right advice here. time to be a businessman and make a choice.
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Old 07-17-2018, 03:07 PM   #58
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I would not fire him but would hire another framer (or helper if you have to do it yourself) to help get caught up. If and when he shows up to work and you don't have anything for him he may figure it out.
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Old 07-17-2018, 03:18 PM   #59
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I would not fire him but would hire another framer (or helper if you have to do it yourself) to help get caught up. If and when he shows up to work and you don't have anything for him he may figure it out.


Definitely doing this regardless of the overall outcome


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Old 07-17-2018, 03:36 PM   #60
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Because he has stress and anxiety and certain demons that I choose not to say.... he’s struggled his entire life with it.


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Sounds like you need to find someone more reliable. And you also need to stop being an enabler. Quit making excuses for him. You say he is good at what he does, but do you think he is the only out there that can complete the jobs? Surely not. Quit making an excuse of all of his demons. Everybody has them. Everybody has something that they are struggling with in life. That does not mean we get to skip work and make those demons and excuses hold more control over our lives. You are giving him reasons and allowing the behavior to continue. If he is 45, it is time that he grows up.

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Old 07-17-2018, 03:43 PM   #61
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Sounds like you need to find someone more reliable. And you also need to stop being an enabler. Quit making excuses for him. You say he is good at what he does, but do you think he is the only out there that can complete the jobs? Surely not. Quit making an excuse of all of his demons. Everybody has them. Everybody has something that they are struggling with in life. That does not mean we get to skip work and make those demons and excuses hold more control over our lives. You are giving him reasons and allowing the behavior to continue he. If he is 45, it is time that he grows up.


Exactly what I was about to type when I saw your response.
Fire him and donít look back, when he decides to grow up and assume responsibility he may make someone a good hand. Until then, let him figure out how to deal with life and move on as to keep your business growing.
And, yes, Iím qualified to make that statement as Iíve been in the construction business for 46 years.



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Old 07-17-2018, 03:49 PM   #62
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stop paying him every friday
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Old 07-17-2018, 05:07 PM   #63
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This needs to be a business decision, without consideration for the family aspect.

He is a good carpenter/framer. He is a slow carpenter/framer when he bothers to show up for work. He doesnít show up for work reliably.

You need to hire a reliable carpenter/framer.

To speak to the complicating issue...family. It sounds like you have multiple jobs going at once. Pay him day wages when he decides to show up.

Iím sorry heís put you in this position, but if your business feeds your kids, business comes first.


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Old 07-17-2018, 05:30 PM   #64
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To be honest this is a simple problem to solve. He needs to go. Massive mistake putting your eggs in his basket while he flyís the coop. Not the time to post here about what to do. Time to review some resumeís. The more you try to search for an answer with him the farther behind your gonna get. Construction is a dog eat dog world, and your fixing to be lunch relying on him. not trying to sound like a jerk I know this would be an easy decision if it werenít family, as others have said ... not a good idea. But itís past time to move on. Hope every thing turns out good for the both of yíall.
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Old 07-17-2018, 06:26 PM   #65
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keep a 10% retainer on every job. Tell him your paying hush money to the next client until he gets in gear
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Old 07-17-2018, 06:31 PM   #66
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Pay him when the job is finished. Voila!


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