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    How important is SD in load development?

    I have not spent much time around here lately, but have noticed a few questions popping up from new handloaders lately the few times I have dropped in. That makes me smile because I know what lies ahead for most of them………. A much more enjoyable shooting experience! There is nothing quite as satisfying to me as finding what your rifle really likes, watching it all come together on the target and knowing that you no longer have to settle for the expensive, inconsistent performance and the uncertain availability that factory ammo brings to the table

    Most of the time it’s pretty easy to find a load that appears to be miles ahead of most box ammo when testing at 100 yards. However, it pays to look a little deeper and make sure those tight little groups you are seeing on that 100 yard target are telling you the truth. If you are shooting any distance at all, you MUST know the truth.

    I got lied to pretty good by the 100 yard target a couple weeks ago and I’m still laughing at myself for missing the obvious and taking shortcuts when I knew better. I just re-barreled my 7 APR and decided to go ahead and switch to the new RWS brass I had been saving for just this occasion, since I was starting over anyway, right? I loaded up a ladder test and went straight to 500 yards. 10 minutes later I had found max pressure and two potential accuracy nodes. Went back to the house, loaded 5 of each and went straight to 100(first mistake, 500 was the correct answer) to see what groups would look like. The high node load sent 5 into .067” at 100. Absolutely one of the best groups I have ever shot in my life. I was ecstatic and sending pics of the group to everyone in my shooting circles. Not to brag, but it was with a big overbore belted mag, right? It’s hard to pat yourself on the back, but I got it done

    Who needs a chronograph with a load that shoots that good? Yep, mistake number 2 if you’re keeping score. I went right back to the bench and loaded 5 more and couldn’t get to the 500 yard target fast enough! I was ready to send out a pic of my sub 1/2” group at 500 as a followup to my last pic just as soon as I could shoot it. 10 minutes later I’m standing in front of the 500yd target looking at an 8 ½” mostly vertical abomination of something that might pass for a group, had it been shot with a musket. WTH just happened?

    Ok chronograph……… you win, I need some help here. Back to the bench, back to the 100 - chrono engaged. Another stellar group at .126”! but that last shot read over 100fps faster than the first 4? Hmmm, chrono error obviously. Let’s go load 5 more and do this again. We did….and 2 more roughly 100fps faster than the rest. Again another great group, but just not possible with those numbers I thought. I pulled those 2 pieces of brass out and set them aside while I was questioning my sanity and what I was actually seeing. I didn’t want to believe the chrono because the 100 yard groups were as good or better than this rifle has ever shot, but the 500 yard target had already told me the TRUTH, had I chose to listen.

    Mistake number 3 – This one isn’t quite as funny because it could have ended differently. I failed to really inspect my components when switching to the new brass. The 2 pieces of brass I pulled out weighed right at 60 grains more than the others in the mix! Yeah, 60 grains! Which translates into much less case capacity and much, much higher pressures.

    300 WM brass from RWS is highly sought after because its heavy, tough as nails and VERY uniform…….and very hard to find. It’s taken me awhile to accumulate enough to run from a couple different sources and manufacturing timeframes, and its all brand new RWS headstamped brass. Thinking it was the same, I ran it all together without checking anything. The older stuff was obviously the real deal original, while the lighter stuff was most likely contracted by another manufacturer and simply bears the RWS name. Funny that it matches my Norma stuff in weight and neck thickness EXACTLY. On a side note, the heavy stuff masks pressure signs really well So well in fact that I'd probably still be trying to figure out whats going on if I didnt use the chrono. I'm still in disbelief that a load with that much ES could print groups like that at 100 yds.

    The moral of this rambling story is that 100 yard groups are nice, but don’t mean %^&* unless you only shoot 100 yards. It’s worth looking a little deeper when developing a load and getting that SD number as low as you can possibly get it, as it’s the biggest factor in keeping those small groups small as you pass that 100 yard line. Winners never shortcut, and shortcutters never win…..or something like that. Oh, and I think I just paid a lot of money for a bunch of Norma brass in drag.

    Good shooting,
    Robert

    #2
    Great write up! Thanks for sharing.
    Guess I’ll stop being lazy and setup the chono

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      #3
      I have done the exact same thing with the 6 Creedmoor you built. I am now making a Magnetospeed pic rail attachment where I can shoot with it during load development and not have to worry about POI shift or harmonics. Frustrating but the little bitty 100yd groups are so addicting.

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        #4
        Yes sir!! And I searched for RWS brass forever. Finally gave up haha

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          #5
          Very informative. Thanks for taking the time to post that

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            #6
            How important is SD in load development?

            I’m a fan of single digit SDs.

            I shot some Federal Gold Medal Berger Ammo the other day in my 6.5 Grendel where the ES was 10 and SD was 4.

            I can’t do much better than that. The velocity wasn’t where I would like it to be but the consistency was there.




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              #7
              Where did you find that federal ammo?


              Sierracharlie out…

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                #8
                Thanks for taking the time to write this information up. It's good stuff to know.

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                  #9
                  Very informative! I have just about quit doing 100 yard grouping. 200 yards minimum. I got my lab radar chronograph in the other day. Now it's no excuse not to chrono everything. Just got to play with it a little due to weather but so far it's the cat's meow. It worked great even with a high north wind. My other chrono screens would have been an exercise in futility.

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                    #10
                    Originally posted by M16 View Post
                    Very informative! I have just about quit doing 100 yard grouping. 200 yards minimum. I got my lab radar chronograph in the other day. Now it's no excuse not to chrono everything. Just got to play with it a little due to weather but so far it's the cat's meow. It worked great even with a high north wind. My other chrono screens would have been an exercise in futility.
                    The Lab Radar sure does make it easy doesn't it? I should have set it up in the beginning. It's still new to me, so I wasn't putting much faith in it when it spit out those #s. I'm still in magneto speed mode, where I'll go back and re-shoot with it for analysis after I find something that groups. I've become a big fan of doing a ladder at 3-500 and then testing the results at that distance. It's been quick, easy and dependable for me......when I stick to it

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                      #11
                      Originally posted by trophy8 View Post
                      Yes sir!! And I searched for RWS brass forever. Finally gave up haha
                      Giving up was the right move! The Norma stuff has been far better than I expected and I would have been perfectly happy running it instead. I guess I still am since 70% of the RWS stuff I have is the "light" version. Lol. Some of the original Norma stuff is on load #14 and still going strong! Some of those loads were not kind during initial testing either. I just weight sorted the Norma and dropped my SD by another 25%. If I remember correctly, you are running it to. Might be worth sorting a few and testing to see if you see the same results.

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                        #12
                        Originally posted by Mike D View Post
                        I’m a fan of single digit SDs.

                        I shot some Federal Gold Medal Berger Ammo the other day in my 6.5 Grendel where the ES was 10 and SD was 4.

                        I can’t do much better than that. The velocity wasn’t where I would like it to be but the consistency was there.




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                        Impressive Mike. Let the hoarding begin!

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                          #13
                          Originally posted by Stick1 View Post
                          Giving up was the right move! The Norma stuff has been far better than I expected and I would have been perfectly happy running it instead. I guess I still am since 70% of the RWS stuff I have is the "light" version. Lol. Some of the original Norma stuff is on load #14 and still going strong! Some of those loads were not kind during initial testing either. I just weight sorted the Norma and dropped my SD by another 25%. If I remember correctly, you are running it to. Might be worth sorting a few and testing to see if you see the same results.


                          What is your acceptable range when sorting?

                          I have using +\- 0.5g which dumps a lot of brass...

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                            #14
                            Originally posted by JakeGraves View Post
                            I have done the exact same thing with the 6 Creedmoor you built. I am now making a Magnetospeed pic rail attachment where I can shoot with it during load development and not have to worry about POI shift or harmonics. Frustrating but the little bitty 100yd groups are so addicting.


                            I need a pic of your mag speed set up!

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                              #15
                              I have Pact chrono that I use, but haven't used in a couple years. I have several loads for my 257, 270, and 7 mag that the ES/SD was very low. All this time, I thought it was my OCD about case prep and charge weights that gave me the good results.

                              Just recently I loaded some fodder for another rifle (don't remember which one) and had a similar scenario as yours with the higher than normal velocity. ES/SD was much larger than I expected. And now I know why. Thanks for the information!

                              I just had a bedding job done on a Remington 700 CDL in 7/08. I need to chrono my new loads for it as well. The 140 gr. Accubond load is shooting clover leafs now, but I wanna know the rest of the story!

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