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Old 02-04-2014, 08:32 PM   #1
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I always had a strange feeling about the things that led up to my Grandfather's denial of immigration acceptance to the USA during the 1920s? He and his brother, both from Poland, were denied immigration status to the USA during the early 1920s. They both fled from Poland during Hitler's uprising in Germany, after living and surviving through WWI and the German annihilation of Poland, along the Eastern front of 1914 - 1918. Grandpa's hometown bordered the German and Polish territorial line, Western Poland and Eastern Germany. So many of his family were killed (men) during that war, the onset of WWII and Hitler's rise of power forced his family to push the last two sons to leave in the name of survival.

Grandpa and his brother left Poland, shipping to NY carrying their only belongings to start a new life, landing at Governors Island NY. Both were denied American amnesty and immigration status - reasoning, both were classified Nazis? Grandpa and his brother both knew they now needed to make decisions, one went south to Rio de Janeiro and the other Tampico Mexico. Grandpa went to Mexico and started his life all over again - alone with no family. His brother went to Rio and did likewise...both enduring life through the war, keeping constant touch with family in Poland till war's end. The men, all were killed.... the name...only survived due to these two men.

What I found out this evening.... thanks to the History Channel. I never understood why my Grandfather and his respective brother were denied access to America? I found out, the Klu Klux Klan ruled the immigration system here in the USA during the 1920s, and all Eastern European immigrants were denied access to America period. The Klu Klux Klan were all Democrat and the up and coming, American Mafia where voting Republicans. The KKK supported prohibition and the Mafia busted up prohibition and fully supported the immigration of all from Europe, no segregation and no denials of immigration for any group sourcing from any and or all of Europe.

The battles and relationship between the KKK & the American Mafia (Europeans – Irish, Jewish & Italian\Sicilian) groups was entirely unknown to me. Most in part because, our structured education here in America refuses to educate the masses in what truly happened here in America during these times. The Mafia was extremely instrumental in overthrowing the KKK, and was fueled entirely by the Republican Party.

I’m a first-born American…still trying to find out my past and the reasons why, my forefathers and respective family had to fight and persevere through decades of goodwill, hard work and legal proceedings to eventually become true American citizens? I am the one and only first born here in America. My father and my Grandfathers all come from foreign soils and each had to fight and struggle to become American’s and or survive the wrath of Nazism, Communism and Socialism.

I’m blessed and extremely grateful to be an American!

Thank you Grandpa, Great Grandpa & Dad!

Thank you Lord for giving these men the strength to never give up and the opportunity allow them the chance to become one with this great Nation of America!

God Bless the men and women of my family who perished within the throes of WWI & WWII - We will forever be grateful - GOD BLESS!

I'm so extremely grateful....AMEN!

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Old 02-04-2014, 08:36 PM   #2
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Hmmmmmmm.
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Old 02-04-2014, 08:41 PM   #4
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That's a good read, Roberto...however sad. I don't understand why parts of history are left out, ugly or not. It seems like something we should pay more attention to. What is it they say "history ignored, is bound to repeat itself".

Am I crazy in thinking you had some kinfolk (on your mom's side perhaps) born up here in Jack County, surname of Roberts? I only ask because my grandfather was a Roberts, also born in Jack County. I need to find out where his dad was born...
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Great story I love to read about our history thank you for sharing
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Old 02-04-2014, 08:42 PM   #6
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I thought the KKK was nothing but Republicans.

Nice story, thanks for posting.
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Old 02-04-2014, 08:43 PM   #7
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Whatever became of the brother who moved to Rio? Did he get here eventually, or do you have contact with anyone in that branch of the family?
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Awesome story......!!!
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That's very interesting, Rob. So, was your dad born in Mexico then? When did your parents come to the US? Did they come to Texas or somewhere else? What's the rest of the story between your grandpa and you today? (If you don't mind sharing....)

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Old 02-04-2014, 08:48 PM   #10
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The KKK is wrapped in mystery. Some good, some bad. Were they right, were they wrong? Depends on who you listen to or who you believe. They are a part of history.... good or bad.
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Old 02-04-2014, 08:49 PM   #11
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That is interesting to learn Rob...........very cool.
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what a price they paid for freedom
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Old 02-04-2014, 08:51 PM   #13
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Interesting story. Enjoyed reading it.
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Old 02-04-2014, 08:53 PM   #14
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That is so cool. Thank you for sharing!
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Old 02-04-2014, 08:59 PM   #15
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Old 02-04-2014, 09:06 PM   #16
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My Nonno (Italian for Grandfather) arrived in New Orleans from Palermo, Sicily 1903 as a young boy. Immigrants today have a much easier road into this country. I'll leave it at that. Great story thanks for sharing
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That's a good read, Roberto...however sad. I don't understand why parts of history are left out, ugly or not. It seems like something we should pay more attention to. What is it they say "history ignored, is bound to repeat itself".

Am I crazy in thinking you had some kinfolk (on your mom's side perhaps) born up here in Jack County, surname of Roberts? I only ask because my grandfather was a Roberts, also born in Jack County. I need to find out where his dad was born...
Yes Dale, my Mom's surname was Roberts and her side landed in North Carolina somewhere during the English\Irish wave during the late 1700s and early 1800s. Great Grandpa was Texas Oil Company lawyer, retiring from the firm in Chico Texas and Grandpa was a bit wild, ending up in the US Navy from a wild Friday night somewhere back in the 1917 - 19 period. Great Grandpa was a solid business lawyer, Texas oil during the period when Texas oil started in East Texas at Spindletop. Grandpa was 15 years old when his time with GreatGrandpa was severed, and life for Grandpa changed. Grandpa and his same aged High School buddies found a bottle or two of whiskey and an old first generation Ford pickup. They got drunk, started rolling around downtown Chico, dirt roads and old front porch - Wild west era architecture (all wood).....and a box of dynamite. Well needless to say, these young men lit and tossed sticks of dynamite as they tore up and down main street in downtown Chico, blowing huge holes in the dirt and probably scaring everyone within earshot. The law busted them and Great Grandpa, being the upstanding Oil Lawyer businessman that he was...persuaded that Grandpa have two options...JAIL and or MILITARY. Great Grandpa, the Judge and Grandpa all lied about Grandpa's age when he joined the US Navy. Grandpa was 15 about to turn 16 when the military required all to be 17 years of age to join. Grandpa Roberts joined, served 37 years...through the entire Pacific War theater of WWII only to help Japan rebuild, post war period before he retired in the 50s. Great Grandpa passed away, while Grandpa sailed the Pacific. Grandpa Roberts earned a Bronze Star, earned an Officer's Commission from enlisted ranks, and basically only shared his experiences of that war engagement with me before he passed away from lung cancer way too young in the early 80s. I never was able to get all of the details from him concerning his early life, Great Grandpa and or all of the infinite details of the war....the things he passed to me about the war were absolutely unbelievable! Iwo Jima, Battle of Coral Sea onboard Lexington number one, Gunboat skipper fighting island to island and storms at sea.........all I remember was his cold blue eyes turning into solid rings of tears as he shared to me.....after so many years of holding it all bottled up.

I served, following Grandpa Roberts lead and earned my Commission from Enlisted and doing my duties to serve my Country first, under my families new beginning as a Zabroky.

I have no idea why tonight...I'm unloading tonight here? I'm so grateful for what life has provided to date.
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Thanks for sharing.
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The KKK is wrapped in mystery. Some good, some bad. Were they right, were they wrong? Depends on who you listen to or who you believe. They are a part of history.... good or bad.
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Old 02-04-2014, 09:11 PM   #20
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Great read.

Chappelle did a funny skit on the kkk.

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Old 02-04-2014, 09:17 PM   #21
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Sounds like we may be kin somewhere back down the line! How bout that, did something they'd jail you for now, and wound up a war hero....


My grandpa on the Moser side fought hand to hand, island to island in the pacific theater as well. Never spoke a word of it to anyone stateside, and died young when I was child. All we know is what a few paper clippings say. There were medals, but I suppose he probably did with them what he thought best. I wish I knew more about what he did over there, but I know he had his reasons for not saying. What I know is enough for me.

My grandpa Roberts was a B-17 pilot over Europe, I have his medals and heard many stories from him. I believe he was born in '22 or 23 Lonnie Dee Roberts.

Some day I need to look up the Roberts lineage from Jack County around that time period. I'd say the odds are **** slim we aren't related in some way.

Thanks for the stories as always, Rob. No one puts them the way you do.

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WoW, super read. Thanks for sharing.
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That's very interesting, Rob. So, was your dad born in Mexico then? When did your parents come to the US? Did they come to Texas or somewhere else? What's the rest of the story between your grandpa and you today? (If you don't mind sharing....)

Cool stuff!
Yes Shane, my Grandpa settled in Mexico and in turn, started his life with the then new mining industry working for American Smelting as a lead mining engineer. Grandpa spoke German, Polish, English and Spanish and this allowed him to take a lead role there. The Mexican Government tossed him into an Nazis interment camp in Mexico, where he was confined as a prisoner much like the Japanese were during the first part of WWII here in the USA. American Smelting had to work with the Mexican Government to get Grandpa Z released from the German holding camp in Mexico, where many of those who were interned, were moved to South Texas and held there in confinement. American Smelting let the Mexican government know, Grandpa was putting their 3rd world country onto the roadmap of industrialized success and it was in their best interest to let this man out so that he could lead and do what that country needed so desperately to bring them into the modern mechanized industrial revolution of that period.

Grandpa Z met my Grandmother, who was from Austrian origin, working as a Nanny for a wealthy Mexican family who needed someone to watch their children. Grandpa and Grandma dated but somewhere along the way, broke off their relationship. After the relationship broke, Grandpa met and eventually married a local Mexican woman and they had 3 sons (my Uncles and Dad). During the childbirth of the 3rd son, she died giving birth. My Dad lost his Mom at 9 and up to this point, never spoke English. Grandpa had 3 sons, one son, the baby who survived was raised and adopted by a local Mexican family. My Grandmother from Austria and Grandpa reunited, married and they both raised the first two boys and provided for the 3rd son through the other family. It was here my Dad and his older brother, my uncle, then were sent to America to complete Grade school, Junior High (Eagle Pass) and High School (Harper Tx) - living with my Grandmother's family in the Fredericksburg\Harper Texas area - all of them Austrian Immigrants to Texas during the 1800s. Dad went to Texas Tech earning an English and Math major and a Chemistry minor. His brother went to Cal Tech and earned a Phd in Mining Engineering, returning to Mexico, since he was a Mexican National and not American.

My father met my Mom at Texas Tech in Lubbock, they got married and Dad moved to South Texas to become a Math and English teacher at La Joya Texas High School, where I was born. Dad became a naturalized American citizen on my 18th birthday - bound by US Immigration laws.

My Uncle will never be able to become a US citizen since my Aunt and him are Mexican Nationals - unless they invest a million or more as new business start-ups here (new US immigration - Naturalization laws - recent). He's in his 80s now, fully retired and those days and opportunities are now behind him. My immediate cousins are Mexican Nationals with the exception of two, who were born in the USA in hospitals here, during a period where my Uncle and Aunt were living in Houston on business VISAS. This pair have opted to marry in Mexico and live in Mexico even though they have the option of living here due to their American birth rights.

My Grandfather's brother moved to Rio de Janeiro and become a highly successful sugar plantation owner. The family there is highly educated and affluent but the families are distant, and only my Mexican Uncle and Aunt have traveled there to visit family. They are European decent South American's and according to my Uncle, resemble my family here and in Mexico with a mix of blonde, black and brown haired family members with brown, blue and green eyes. Heinz 57s in Mexico and South America and at quick glance, you know they have other bloodlines outside of the local norm.

I hope to go to Rio someday. They know who we are up here, names and photos with general knowledge of who we are and what we do as Americans, much due in part to my Uncle and his work in tying the family strings together. They want to meet us and we want to meet them but to date, we haven't done so. i will reach out and do so in the next few years and my hope is, to at least rekindle our families so long separated by a War, so long ago.

This is my Grandfather Z's home in Poland. He was born in this home and to the right of this home is a storm shelter dug deeply into the ground and roof fortified with steel and cement. It was inside this storm shelter, the people of my family lived during the war....hiding below ground as the bombs and war roared around them. The old home was spared...it's not much of a prize to those who killed and conquered during WWI & WWII. My surviving Polish family still live here.


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Old 02-04-2014, 10:08 PM   #25
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I never knew you were born in La Joya!

When I was in high school in Mercedes, my brother Mark, B-I-L Joe and I played football there back in the late 70's . This was before they pumped a bunch of money into the district so the field was in horrible condition with almost no grass. I'll never forget running out in the Friday night lights and looking back at the cloud of dust that hung in the sky. I could not believe they expected us to play high school football on a field like that... but we did.

Good stuff.

Your family history is rich!
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That is one great read indeed, thank you for sharing. I get hazy eyes when memorial day & July 4th comes up, those special days always makes me say to my self, I wish I could have met my Grand father. The day I was born, my GP was already gone to states to fight the battles during WWII, he sacrificed & gave all he had for his family's freedom. When the states finally called us, it was a little too late, the next time I ever saw my GP again was, in the national cemetery. I salute you & your families, as well as to those men & women that are still out there, defending our freedom & our great country.
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Exactly my question please explain the KKK good(not to thread jack).
Much respect to the Zabroky family men.
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Wow! What a legacy!
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That is the stuff for history books, Rob.

My grandad moved to edcouch Elsa after the war with my grandmother (a Whizenant) where my mother was born. He hauled brick and feed across the border for years before moving up here. He spoke Spanish well, but come to find out it wasn't the kind my freshman Spanish teacher was expecting. I sure wish we could go back in time to see where they all crossed paths with the Leggett/Ross clan. Small world.

I can't believe a traveling man like you has never been to Rio to meet the other Zabrokis. That would be epic! Imagine the fishing...

I hope I Havnt taken your thread about your incredibly remarkable family off course by trying to make us family.

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Great stuff, Rob!!! I enjoyed the read!
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Cool stuff, Rob!
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Great read and very interesting family history. Thanks for posting that.
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That is the stuff for history books, Rob.

My grandad moved to edcouch Elsa after the war with my grandmother (a Whizenant) where my mother was born. He hauled brick and feed across the border for years before moving up here. He spoke Spanish well, but come to find out it wasn't the kind my freshman Spanish teacher was expecting. I sure wish we could go back in time to see where they all crossed paths with the Leggett/Ross clan. Small world.

I can't believe a traveling man like you has never been to Rio to meet the other Zabrokis. That would be epic! Imagine the fishing...

I hope I Havnt taken your thread about your incredibly remarkable family off course by trying to make us family.


Dale my FIL last name is Whisenhunt. I've seen his family history it was once Whizenant.
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Dale my FIL last name is Whisenhunt. I've seen his family history it was once Whizenant.
Nanny (Rowena Ann) was from around Altus ok, it's a little cloudy as to which side of the red she was born on.
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I never knew you were born in La Joya!

When I was in high school in Mercedes, my brother Mark, B-I-L Joe and I played football there back in the late 70's . This was before they pumped a bunch of money into the district so the field was in horrible condition with almost no grass. I'll never forget running out in the Friday night lights and looking back at the cloud of dust that hung in the sky. I could not believe they expected us to play high school football on a field like that... but we did.

Good stuff.

Your family history is rich!
LOL! I was born at McAllen Municipal hospital and according to Mom, she could view Mexico outside her hospital room window. During that period, Mom & Dad were so poor, the La Jolla High School had on campus Teacher's housing where they lived, right on the High School campus. I believe it was a 2 story building with housing upstairs for a few Teachers? Open air windows and fans to cool things, no A/C with all things simple, sharing a common bathroom. Dad had to work at a cotton gin at nights and during the cotton season to earn extra income. It was here in this old Teachers dorm, I was raised on campus. According to my Mom, the locals came to visit to view the little blonde haired baby - rubbing my hair and mentioning it was good luck. Mom went to High School in Panama, Central America, where she learned to speak fluent Spanish. I believe this was one of the reasons why my Dad was attracted to her at Texas Tech? Not too many American girls of that era spoke fluent Spanish, and this was the source of their beginnings.

Max Diaz - The old La Jolla FFA teacher from the 60s till his retirement in the late 70s or early 80s, was one of my Dad's best friends in the Valley. Another tidbit you probably didn't know, my Dad was heavily involved with the Rio Grande Valley cotton industry during the 60s and 70s. He left La Jolla High School and moved to work in Houston for Retzloff Chemical industries. His speciality was, cotton based herbicides and fertilizers, along with becoming a leading emulsification chemist with a heavy emphasis on all things Cotton. i'm fairly certain during that period, my Dad and your family had ties with the cotton industry in an indirect way? Dad worked with Retzloff, Monsanto, Baker\Hughes, ArJay, Dow and others dealing with insecticides and fertilizers including strip tests on cotton fields through that period.

I fondly remember Port Isabel before the condos, where it was literally only the Sea Ranch motel, jetty restaurant with the Aussie boomerang guy and literally white sand to the North of the causeway's turn off to the North jetties. i rolled around the valley with Pops and Max, visiting farms and ranches surrounding La Jolla - McAllen and up into Zapata County to a ranch Max owned that was full of Santa Gertrudis cattle. We would roll through a few fields and pick cucumbers, grab a few bags of tortillas and steaks and simply roll to the pastures to grill steaks on mesquite, after digging a pit in the ground and tossing a steel grate over the coals to finish dinner.

Legdog.....we probably literally crossed paths back during the early years? You played ball on the same grounds I was pooping diapers LOL!
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Max Diaz - The old La Jolla FFA teacher from the 60s till his retirement in the late 70s or early 80s, was one of my Dad's best friends in the Valley. Another tidbit you probably didn't know, my Dad was heavily involved with the Rio Grande Valley cotton industry during the 60s and 70s. He left La Jolla High School and moved to work in Houston for Retzloff Chemical industries. His speciality was, cotton based herbicides and fertilizers, along with becoming a leading emulsification chemist with a heavy emphasis on all things Cotton. i'm fairly certain during that period, my Dad and your family had ties with the cotton industry in an indirect way? Dad worked with Retzloff, Monsanto, Baker\Hughes, ArJay, Dow and others dealing with insecticides and fertilizers including strip tests on cotton fields through that period.
My dad taught Ag in Mission when Max Diaz was teaching in La Joya. They were good friends. I remember him well. I taught in a Mission elementary school with Max's wife, Estella. Good family.
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Old 02-04-2014, 11:36 PM   #37
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Rich history. I wish I knew more about mine.
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Old 02-04-2014, 11:56 PM   #38
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True story one time many years ago Rob and I were getting in the truck in Austin headed to Freer...some may remember Area 59?

As we loaded the truck I asked Rob..what is your family background?

He took a deep breath and started "Well......and 4.5 hrs later we pulled into camp as he said that about covers it!

Good times!!
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Old 02-05-2014, 12:06 AM   #39
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True story one time many years ago Rob and I were getting in the truck in Austin headed to Freer...some may remember Area 59?

As we loaded the truck I asked Rob..what is your family background?

He took a deep breath and started "Well......and 4.5 hrs later we pulled into camp as he said that about covers it!

Good times!!
I'd like to have been in that truck...or around the Area 59 fire. Those were cool times.
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Old 02-05-2014, 12:13 AM   #40
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Awesome. I hope you put this all down in a book to be passed on….I wish my family had done it.
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Old 02-05-2014, 12:14 AM   #41
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I'd like to have been in that truck...or around the Area 59 fire. Those were cool times.
Definitely were..and the campfire has moved a little North and West. Your welcome anytime Dale.
Maybe we can get Ol' Rob to out of the surf and join us.
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Old 02-05-2014, 06:32 AM   #42
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Great read. One thing that intrigues me, is why did the brothers split? If I put myself in that situation, after all we had been through, I wouldn't have wanted to split up like that.
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Old 02-05-2014, 06:38 AM   #43
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Awesome stuff brother! I love history and hearing individual stories!
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Old 02-05-2014, 06:50 AM   #44
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Cool read .. And grand paws house is awesome!!!
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Old 02-05-2014, 07:08 AM   #45
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Very interesting read. It's amazing to hear stories of the lengths people went through to become American Citizens.
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Old 02-05-2014, 07:13 AM   #46
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Great read. Thanks for sharing it with us.
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Old 02-05-2014, 07:42 AM   #47
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Great read Rob!

Sadly, after years of research, my mother found that we were deeply rooted in the Klan.
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Old 02-05-2014, 07:57 AM   #48
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Awesome read Rob. A very rich Family history indeed.
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Old 02-05-2014, 07:58 AM   #49
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Great read Rob Rich family back ground. You need to do more wright ups. I miss the hunting story's from area 59. I too come from a sugar plantation family from Kingston Jamaica. Sometimes I feel that I am paying for the sins of my fore fathers. I know that they must have treated people less then human. I planning a trip to see the old plantation soon. Its something on my bucket list.
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Old 02-05-2014, 08:08 AM   #50
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Yes Dale, my Mom's surname was Roberts and her side landed in North Carolina somewhere during the English\Irish wave during the late 1700s and early 1800s. Great Grandpa was Texas Oil Company lawyer, retiring from the firm in Chico Texas and Grandpa was a bit wild, ending up in the US Navy from a wild Friday night somewhere back in the 1917 - 19 period. Great Grandpa was a solid business lawyer, Texas oil during the period when Texas oil started in East Texas at Spindletop. Grandpa was 15 years old when his time with GreatGrandpa was severed, and life for Grandpa changed. Grandpa and his same aged High School buddies found a bottle or two of whiskey and an old first generation Ford pickup. They got drunk, started rolling around downtown Chico, dirt roads and old front porch - Wild west era architecture (all wood).....and a box of dynamite. Well needless to say, these young men lit and tossed sticks of dynamite as they tore up and down main street in downtown Chico, blowing huge holes in the dirt and probably scaring everyone within earshot. The law busted them and Great Grandpa, being the upstanding Oil Lawyer businessman that he was...persuaded that Grandpa have two options...JAIL and or MILITARY. Great Grandpa, the Judge and Grandpa all lied about Grandpa's age when he joined the US Navy. Grandpa was 15 about to turn 16 when the military required all to be 17 years of age to join. Grandpa Roberts joined, served 37 years...through the entire Pacific War theater of WWII only to help Japan rebuild, post war period before he retired in the 50s. Great Grandpa passed away, while Grandpa sailed the Pacific. Grandpa Roberts earned a Bronze Star, earned an Officer's Commission from enlisted ranks, and basically only shared his experiences of that war engagement with me before he passed away from lung cancer way too young in the early 80s. I never was able to get all of the details from him concerning his early life, Great Grandpa and or all of the infinite details of the war....the things he passed to me about the war were absolutely unbelievable! Iwo Jima, Battle of Coral Sea onboard Lexington number one, Gunboat skipper fighting island to island and storms at sea.........all I remember was his cold blue eyes turning into solid rings of tears as he shared to me.....after so many years of holding it all bottled up.

I served, following Grandpa Roberts lead and earned my Commission from Enlisted and doing my duties to serve my Country first, under my families new beginning as a Zabroky.

I have no idea why tonight...I'm unloading tonight here? I'm so grateful for what life has provided to date.

Dude...this is one hell of a story. You really need to dump every iota of memory you have on this topic onto paper before it gets fuzzy.

Thanks for sharing!
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