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Old 07-11-2018, 10:24 PM   #1
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Default Government Employee Drowned a Baby Coyote After Promising to Release Him to the Wild

Government Employee Drowned a Baby Coyote After Promising to Release Him to the Wild – Let’s Act!

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A person with no respect for wildlife, willfully lying about his intentions concerning a living being, and failing to provide an animal with the help they need should not be in a position that Caraway is in. Click here to sign a petition asking the WDFW to put the welfare of animals and their allies first and end their professional relationship with the officer who drowned the coyote pup.
http://www.onegreenplanet.org/news/g...d-baby-coyote/
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Old 07-11-2018, 10:28 PM   #2
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He needs a raise!
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Old 07-11-2018, 10:30 PM   #3
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He needs a raise!
@ least an extra vacation day.
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Old 07-11-2018, 10:30 PM   #4
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A lot of folks will sign that that don't have a clue!!!!

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Old 07-11-2018, 10:31 PM   #5
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I am going to invite him to my place, I have several that need some water treatment.
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Old 07-11-2018, 10:37 PM   #6
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Not sure I could drown a pup, but I sure as heck could put a .22 round thru it's head, or whap it with a 2x4.
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Old 07-11-2018, 10:52 PM   #7
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For me the lack of integrity is what read.
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Old 07-11-2018, 11:04 PM   #8
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How did he get caught?


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Old 07-11-2018, 11:16 PM   #9
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While I'm sure he disposed of the coyote I highly doubt he drowned the animal. This statement here tells me everything I need to know about this article:

Officers typically kill predators, like coyotes, bears, or mountain lions, for the safety of livestock. In reality, nonlethal strategies for controlling livestock predation (like guard animals or chemical repellents) have been found to be more effective than lethal ones (killing of predators).
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Old 07-11-2018, 11:20 PM   #10
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Gen. Douglas MacArthur: Fine, son! That's the best thing to do with 'em!
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Old 07-11-2018, 11:21 PM   #11
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Old 07-11-2018, 11:30 PM   #12
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That is the dumbest thing I have ever read.. There’s no mention whatsoever of how the dude drowned it.
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Old 07-12-2018, 12:37 AM   #13
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How do they know he did that unless he told everyone about it?

If in fact he did drown it I can't say that,that's not inhumane and pretty unnecessary. If you're gonna put any animal down at least do it in a manner that is as painless as possible. If you drown anything you're just a little bit....off.....that's some serial killer type ****.
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Old 07-12-2018, 12:58 AM   #14
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How do they know he did that unless he told everyone about it?

If in fact he did drown it I can't say that,that's not inhumane and pretty unnecessary. If you're gonna put any animal down at least do it in a manner that is as painless as possible. If you drown anything you're just a little bit....off.....that's some serial killer type ****.
Agreed, a quick whap with a 2x4 would have been my choice. Drowning?? No!!
Although coyotes are far less scrupulous when killing a fawn or deer, or a doe and fawn at the same time.
They are surely some inhumane beings, but then again they are not human.
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Old 07-12-2018, 01:07 AM   #15
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Agreed, a quick whap with a 2x4 would have been my choice. Drowning?? No!!
Although coyotes are far less scrupulous when killing a fawn or deer, or a doe and fawn at the same time.
They are surely some inhumane beings, but then again they are not human.
Don't get me wrong I've killed my fair share of coyotes. Love predator huntin. I just ain't all about putting anything through that. There just wouldn't be nothin good about going out that way.

Like you said a pipe,2x4,etc...or a bullet is a lot better and I would think a lot less troublesome than baptizing it. Not only that but you ain't gotta sit there and watch something struggle to breathe and all that nonsense. That's just weird beyond what words can describe.

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Old 07-12-2018, 05:07 AM   #16
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How do they know he did that unless he told everyone about it?

If in fact he did drown it I can't say that,that's not inhumane and pretty unnecessary. If you're gonna put any animal down at least do it in a manner that is as painless as possible. If you drown anything you're just a little bit....off.....that's some serial killer type ****.


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The drowning part would indicate a sick individual to me


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Old 07-12-2018, 06:54 AM   #17
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Well, I'd say if he lied about his intentions, and he truly drowned the pup, he does not have integrity and he should be ****-canned, and maybe charged with animal cruelty as well.

I don't care for coyotes either, but if that dude drowned that pup, what other sadistic crap does he want to do?
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Old 07-12-2018, 07:04 AM   #18
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Old 07-12-2018, 08:34 AM   #19
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I dought he drowned it, article is written to appeal to emotions and dang near be a fund raiser for anti organizations, with that said if you where trapping rats in a cage trap, how would you kill them?

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Old 07-12-2018, 08:37 AM   #20
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How do they know he did that unless he told everyone about it?

If in fact he did drown it I can't say that,that's not inhumane and pretty unnecessary. If you're gonna put any animal down at least do it in a manner that is as painless as possible. If you drown anything you're just a little bit....off.....that's some serial killer type ****.
The SPCA's now put them in a a chamber and then pump out all the air causing a vacuum. Not much difference.
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Old 07-12-2018, 08:44 AM   #21
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Poor cute little puppy was just trying to get old enough to survive.

PETA type people went mad a long time ago and continue to get worse.
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Old 07-12-2018, 08:50 AM   #22
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Wait... so nobody dumps rat cages/traps in water to dispatch rats? Skunks? You let them loose and try "whap"ping them with a 2x4 in the mad scramble? I don't see a difference... IF it was in a trap.

Now if he's holding it by the throat and dunking the dog in his bathtub, I see that as a "sick individual"

These PETA folks are crazy.

EDIT: Texans42 beat me to the rat trap analogy
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Old 07-12-2018, 08:56 AM   #23
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Wait... so nobody dumps rat cages/traps in water to dispatch rats? Skunks? You let them loose and try "whap"ping them with a 2x4 in the mad scramble? I don't see a difference... IF it was in a trap.

Now if he's holding it by the throat and dunking the dog in his bathtub, I see that as a "sick individual"

These PETA folks are crazy.

EDIT: Texans42 beat me to the rat trap analogy
I've shot several rats that were caught while running traps. That's just extra bait for bobcats and raccoons. I let skunks out and shoot them downwind from me with a shotgun. I don't like shooting them in the live trap because that stuff will stay on the metal and make your hands stink when you go to move it. I can't say I've ever drowned anything.
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Old 07-12-2018, 08:57 AM   #24
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You're a better person than me I guess. Hope you don't get hurt on that long fall...
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Old 07-12-2018, 09:03 AM   #25
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While I'm sure he disposed of the coyote I highly doubt he drowned the animal. This statement here tells me everything I need to know about this article:

Officers typically kill predators, like coyotes, bears, or mountain lions, for the safety of livestock. In reality, nonlethal strategies for controlling livestock predation (like guard animals or chemical repellents) have been found to be more effective than lethal ones (killing of predators).
The most important part of this statement. The reason officers are required to kill predators is because hunting seasons for predators have been taken away from us hunters, allowing populations to explode. Look at Cali for example. No mountain lion hunting season. Mountain lion populations have gone through the roof. 30 years ago the most common food found in a mountain lions belly was deer. Today, its people's pets.

These people don't understand the implications of banning hunting. Colorado is the same way with bears, populations are blowing up because of banning spring bear season.
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Old 07-12-2018, 09:05 AM   #26
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who wrote this:
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Old 07-12-2018, 09:15 AM   #27
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I can't fault the guy for lying to a dumb **** liberal who isn't smart enough to understand what needed to be done anyway.


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Old 07-12-2018, 10:26 AM   #28
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I can't fault the guy for lying to a dumb **** liberal who isn't smart enough to understand what needed to be done anyway.


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Old 07-12-2018, 10:43 AM   #29
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My question is how Mr. Crazy Horse ended up on that website to begin with?
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Old 07-12-2018, 10:48 AM   #30
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While I'm sure he disposed of the coyote I highly doubt he drowned the animal. This statement here tells me everything I need to know about this article:

Officers typically kill predators, like coyotes, bears, or mountain lions, for the safety of livestock. In reality, nonlethal strategies for controlling livestock predation (like guard animals or chemical repellents) have been found to be more effective than lethal ones (killing of predators).
Hmmm. Let me think about this: If a predator is killed there is a ZERO chance of it ever bothering livestock again. But if you 'shoo' a predator away this morning, . . .
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Old 07-12-2018, 11:49 AM   #31
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My question is how Mr. Crazy Horse ended up on that website to begin with?


I was wondering the same thing.
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Old 07-12-2018, 02:29 PM   #32
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I've shot several rats that were caught while running traps. That's just extra bait for bobcats and raccoons. I let skunks out and shoot them downwind from me with a shotgun. I don't like shooting them in the live trap because that stuff will stay on the metal and make your hands stink when you go to move it. I can't say I've ever drowned anything.
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Old 07-12-2018, 02:45 PM   #33
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I can't say that I have ever drowned anything. With that said it was pretty common around the farm growing up for my grandpa to dispatch an unwanted litter of kittens with a tote sack and brick thrown into the tank. Nobody ever thought twice about it and Grandpa wasn't crazy or deranged either. That's just the way it had always been done.
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Old 07-12-2018, 03:54 PM   #34
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Yep. You can’t tell these idiots you intend to euthanize the thing. They’d have you burned at the stake...


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Old 07-12-2018, 07:03 PM   #35
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My question is how Mr. Crazy Horse ended up on that website to begin with?
Linked from Yahoo front page....
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Old 07-12-2018, 07:10 PM   #36
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Doubt "a pup" would have lived solo anyway. Petition for everything these days.
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I can't say that I have ever drowned anything. With that said it was pretty common around the farm growing up for my grandpa to dispatch an unwanted litter of kittens with a tote sack and brick thrown into the tank. Nobody ever thought twice about it and Grandpa wasn't crazy or deranged either. That's just the way it had always been done.
Yep, that's the way we grew up also. Nothing odd or sadistic, just the times.
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Old 07-12-2018, 07:48 PM   #37
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I am not for the drowning of anything. I have certain inherent degree of respect for wildlife.
With that being said, I also have a complete understanding that killing is often a necessary management tool. But I choose to do it the most humane way possible.
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