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Old 12-27-2016, 06:52 PM   #201
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Man, I feel your pain. I lost second largest buck of my life this past Wednesday. Shot was high blood dried up. Sucks!
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Old 12-27-2016, 06:58 PM   #202
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Sorry for your luck brother.

Sometimes the Game Wardens are ready to help out in these situations. They hate to see loss of game animals and have rights to go wherever needed.

For the guys that don't understand these costs, you just have to put yourself in the trackers shoes.

Time and fuel equals money.

When I lived in S. Texas. (Zapata)

I had a 6K dog that I provided deer finder services with. Its a business in that area and when a customer pulls the trigger on a 10K deer and cant find it, a 100 dollar load fee and 300 bucks at time of recovery is a deal.

But its not a deal that the tracker has no money in. Lots of costs In these dogs, a whole lot of time and energy in maintaining them and keeping there training up.

Then there is the risk of them getting gored or on to hogs that cut them up or just straight up losing a dog.

I had 700 bucks in a GPS collar and often traveled more than 100 miles round trip. Many of them inside ranches at 15-20 MPH of rough country that tore up equipment.

So from this side of the PC. I completely understand there point.


No doubt. I train retrievers so I understand the costs. Just for me personally I couldn't spend the $ they charge, nothing against them at all.


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Old 12-27-2016, 07:05 PM   #203
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Old 12-27-2016, 07:06 PM   #204
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Which is a felony, law states you must have dog owners permission to shoot a dog. You cannot obtain permission from a stray dogs owner.
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Old 12-27-2016, 07:18 PM   #205
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Hope ol boy shows up
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Old 12-27-2016, 07:57 PM   #206
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200 acres? Very doubtful ANY dog guy (or dog girl) will come to that. They would likely be off the place and onto the neighbor in less than a minute. Especially with that kind of sign. I'm not 100% sure that's even lung blood. I've seen a lot of tracks with blood like that, that were brisket shot. I really hope you get lucky and find him tomorrow. Good luck man.

And y'all don't be too quick to judge the dog guys for not taking the call. Without permission from the neighbors, and from the neighbor's neighbors, their hands are really tied.
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Old 12-27-2016, 08:10 PM   #207
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I'm guessing the deer was a no show tonight. Could be a good sign that he's down. Don't give up on getting permission and have a dog come out in the morning if that's a possibility. If not the buzzards should point you to him mid morning. Good luck with the recovery!
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Old 12-27-2016, 08:16 PM   #208
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200 acres? Very doubtful ANY dog guy (or dog girl) will come to that. They would likely be off the place and onto the neighbor in less than a minute. Especially with that kind of sign. I'm not 100% sure that's even lung blood.
Agree...this deer was shot in the rear leg!

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Old 12-27-2016, 08:29 PM   #209
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Maybe I missed it but is there water nearby to check for him? Hope you find him
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Old 12-27-2016, 08:32 PM   #210
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200 acres? Very doubtful ANY dog guy (or dog girl) will come to that. They would likely be off the place and onto the neighbor in less than a minute. Especially with that kind of sign. I'm not 100% sure that's even lung blood. I've seen a lot of tracks with blood like that, that were brisket shot. I really hope you get lucky and find him tomorrow. Good luck man.



And y'all don't be too quick to judge the dog guys for not taking the call. Without permission from the neighbors, and from the neighbor's neighbors, their hands are really tied.


Yeah there are only a couple things I know for sure. I know the shot was not in the brisket (100%) positive. Only thing I can think of is that I pulled the shot just enough to get into the shoulder and possibly connected with the scapula or something else that stopped the arrow from penetrating any further. No sign of him this evening so I will go sit in the morning and then grid search again for a few hours. I tracked today's search path with my GPS so tomorrow I'll take up where I left off and keep going


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Old 12-27-2016, 08:43 PM   #211
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Yep. I'm 100% for tracking them with dogs but I can say if I saw a dog run through our place following deer, I'd think it was up to no good as we have had wild dog issues and I'd likely shoot it. I would feel horrible killing a blood dog but if it happens fast I can see a mistake possibly happening.


I've never seen s tracking dog without a gps collar. There is typically no confusing a trained blood trailing dog for a wild dog



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Old 12-27-2016, 08:56 PM   #212
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click on "GIS MAP" and it will bring up an interactive map, just zoom in and click on the property you want details on.
Thank you. That worked like a charm and I checked a couple of ranches and the data was correct. Super nice.
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Old 12-27-2016, 08:58 PM   #213
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I've never seen s tracking dog without a gps collar. There is typically no confusing a trained blood trailing dog for a wild dog



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I'm not betting my dogs life on the common hunters ability make this decision correctly.
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Old 12-27-2016, 09:02 PM   #214
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Agree...this deer was shot in the rear leg!

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It looks watery. I'm thinking its from his nose and mouth possibly.
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Old 12-27-2016, 09:07 PM   #215
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I am not a rage hater butt from experience they do not perform dependability when making contact with the shoulder. They leave some good blood because of the large entrance wound but do not make it into the chest cavity. I hope this is not your situation. Good luck with your recovery.
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Old 12-27-2016, 09:12 PM   #216
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I'm not betting my dogs life on the common hunters ability make this decision correctly.


I agree 100%. But to say you thought a tracking dog with a gps collar on it was a wild dog is insane.


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Old 12-27-2016, 09:13 PM   #217
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No sir, maybe my family just shoots better than all yall


Doubt that. I was raised with hunting dogs. That's probably the difference.


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Old 12-27-2016, 09:13 PM   #218
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Old 12-27-2016, 09:13 PM   #219
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I am not a rage hater butt from experience they do not perform dependability when making contact with the shoulder. They leave some good blood because of the large entrance wound but do not make it into the chest cavity. I hope this is not your situation. Good luck with your recovery.


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Old 12-27-2016, 09:17 PM   #220
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It looks watery. I'm thinking its from his nose and mouth possibly.


If she didn't know for a fact it was a leg hit she would not have posted it.

She tracked & found that deer.
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Old 12-27-2016, 09:17 PM   #221
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Do you not have a lab with you? I've found a pile with my labs and never did any training with them (bird only). I'd 100℅ put a lab on it if you have one, regardless if it's ever trailed a deer or not.
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Old 12-27-2016, 09:32 PM   #222
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Again, from TBH we all know how much a lot of people hate hog doggers. Cutting fences, chasing deer, leaving trash, rutting up pastures. With that, how can said hunter in stand with a rifle determine the difference between those dang hog dogs chasing a good buck and a trained tracking dog trailing a wounded deer. I understand not wanting to put a dog on the ground without permission all around. Good luck on your recovery. Hope you see buzzards in the morning.
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Old 12-27-2016, 09:34 PM   #223
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Again, from TBH we all know how much a lot of people hate hog doggers. Cutting fences, chasing deer, leaving trash, rutting up pastures. With that, how can said hunter in stand with a rifle determine the difference between those dang hog dogs chasing a good buck and a trained tracking dog trailing a wounded deer. I understand not wanting to put a dog on the ground without permission all around. Good luck on your recovery. Hope you see buzzards in the morning.


You do realize that those hog doggers you speak of are a minority right? That's just like blaming hunters for poachers.


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Old 12-27-2016, 09:35 PM   #224
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I was hoping to see some pics

Sorry for the outcome

I can't fault a dog owner for not being interested in a track on a smaller place
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Old 12-27-2016, 09:41 PM   #225
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I was hoping to see some pics

Sorry for the outcome

I can't fault a dog owner for not being interested in a track on a smaller place
X2. Specially when you don't have permission from the neighbors to track. Not worth risking the safety of your dog for a couple hundred bucks.
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Old 12-27-2016, 09:53 PM   #226
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Do y'all think his first blood pic is lung, looks too red to me? Lung should be very pink (Pepto Bismal with bubbles, sorta).
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Old 12-27-2016, 09:55 PM   #227
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Dang man, not what I wanted to read when I checked back in! Sorry you didn't find your deer, and sorry your thread turned into another endless pissing contest on who is the most right or most wrong...

Hope you find him anyway. Meat won't be good, but maybe you can recover the antlers.

Will check back in for updates...
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Old 12-27-2016, 10:01 PM   #228
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OP calling 4 guys isn't very many. Especially this time of year. I'm also not suprised you were turned down by them. Most of us who have tracking dogs always want to help. That being said we ain't sitting by the phone just waiting on a call. It's the holiday season right now, and most of us are spending quality time with family. It's easy to bash trackers that charge $400. All of us don't, but you get what you pay for. One day when you shoot a buck of a lifetime you will be glad there is someone who can bring a dog to find it for you. I promise you none of us are getting rich from tracking dogs. It costs a lot to train one and keep him ready throughout the year. Radio collars ain't cheap either. Me personally, I will bring my dog because I enjoy doing it. To me it's another form of hunting. I love working with my dog and making a hunters day by recovering their deer. Every person I know who is willing to take their dog out to find a strangers deer is a good person. The tracking list on here has prices that are all over the map. I suggest you find someone now that can come to your area that you can afford BEFORE you need the dog. Also know your neighbors. That's the key to any long tracking job. The tracker must have permission. Blood tracking dogs live to recover animals. We don't want to put our dog on a trail and have to pull him off because we ran out of tress passable land.
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Old 12-27-2016, 10:19 PM   #229
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OP calling 4 guys isn't very many. Especially this time of year. I'm also not suprised you were turned down by them. Most of us who have tracking dogs always want to help. That being said we ain't sitting by the phone just waiting on a call. It's the holiday season right now, and most of us are spending quality time with family. It's easy to bash trackers that charge $400. All of us don't, but you get what you pay for. One day when you shoot a buck of a lifetime you will be glad there is someone who can bring a dog to find it for you. I promise you none of us are getting rich from tracking dogs. It costs a lot to train one and keep him ready throughout the year. Radio collars ain't cheap either. Me personally, I will bring my dog because I enjoy doing it. To me it's another form of hunting. I love working with my dog and making a hunters day by recovering their deer. Every person I know who is willing to take their dog out to find a strangers deer is a good person. The tracking list on here has prices that are all over the map. I suggest you find someone now that can come to your area that you can afford BEFORE you need the dog. Also know your neighbors. That's the key to any long tracking job. The tracker must have permission. Blood tracking dogs live to recover animals. We don't want to put our dog on a trail and have to pull him off because we ran out of tress passable land.


Nice essay amigo! Not getting in a pissing match but I did not bash any of the trackers. I simply stated that most of them turned me down due to small acreage and the others that said they would show cost $400 irregardless of recovery. Had you read all my posts I stated that I understand the costs as I have a lot of experience with training dogs and I know the costs. Now in a perfect world I would have someone in the area that I could call that I could afford. People can sit and state all the would haves should haves all they want but in reality you cannot plan for everything and **** happens. So before you slip off that soap box take a moment and relax.

And BTW I went back and looked at my call log and I called 6 guys and 2 of them didn't answer so I left a message to call me back.


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if she didn't know for a fact it was a leg hit she would not have posted it.

She tracked & found that deer.
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I've seen a lot of blood trails in my 35 years of bowhunting but never a foamy leg hit. But then again I don't shoot them in the leg.

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Old 12-27-2016, 10:27 PM   #231
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Nice essay amigo! Not getting in a pissing match but I did not bash any of the trackers. I simply stated that most of them turned me down due to small acreage and the others that said they would show cost $400 irregardless of recovery. Had you read all my posts I stated that I understand the costs as I have a lot of experience with training dogs and I know the costs. Now in a perfect world I would have someone in the area that I could call that I could afford. People can sit and state all the would haves should haves all they want but in reality you cannot plan for everything and **** happens. So before you slip off that soap box take a moment and relax.

And BTW I went back and looked at my call log and I called 6 guys and 2 of them didn't answer so I left a message to call me back.


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Old 12-27-2016, 10:29 PM   #232
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a one lung deer can go miles
.......and survive until seen on camera the following season.....ask me how I know? Hope you find him. If not, the deer may still be alive. I hit one low last year and we ( seven people tracking ) found what we thought was good lung blood....bubbles and plenty of blood. Never found the deer. Complete pass through. He showed up again on camera this year. He was run down a bit but alive. He had large white spots on both sides of him where he was hit. His brow tines grew but other than that not much. Good luck to ya. Keep checking cameras if you have them out.
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Old 12-27-2016, 10:29 PM   #233
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Old 12-27-2016, 10:33 PM   #234
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Yeah there are only a couple things I know for sure. I know the shot was not in the brisket (100%) positive. Only thing I can think of is that I pulled the shot just enough to get into the shoulder and possibly connected with the scapula or something else that stopped the arrow from penetrating any further. No sign of him this evening so I will go sit in the morning and then grid search again for a few hours. I tracked today's search path with my GPS so tomorrow I'll take up where I left off and keep going


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I walk circles until I decide to quite. One recovery was in the complete opposite of the direction the deer ran. It ran straight away from me and I recovered it, hours later, 40-50 yards behind my stand. They are tough animals, only give up when you think you've given it your best. You've done good so far in my opinion, it won't be your first rodeo, trust me!
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You do realize that those hog doggers you speak of are a minority right? That's just like blaming hunters for poachers.


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Old 12-27-2016, 11:20 PM   #237
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I hate to even waste my time arguing with that mess anymore.


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Old 12-27-2016, 11:23 PM   #238
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Old 12-27-2016, 11:28 PM   #239
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Nice essay amigo! Not getting in a pissing match but I did not bash any of the trackers. I simply stated that most of them turned me down due to small acreage and the others that said they would show cost $400 irregardless of recovery. Had you read all my posts I stated that I understand the costs as I have a lot of experience with training dogs and I know the costs. Now in a perfect world I would have someone in the area that I could call that I could afford. People can sit and state all the would haves should haves all they want but in reality you cannot plan for everything and **** happens. So before you slip off that soap box take a moment and relax.

And BTW I went back and looked at my call log and I called 6 guys and 2 of them didn't answer so I left a message to call me back.


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And I didn't bash you . The soap box wasn't directed toward you at all. It was intended to better inform anyone who may need a dog at some point. Sorry you took offense to it. I have no problem with what you did. I hope you recover the antlers.
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Old 12-27-2016, 11:33 PM   #240
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OP calling 4 guys isn't very many. Especially this time of year. I'm also not suprised you were turned down by them. Most of us who have tracking dogs always want to help. That being said we ain't sitting by the phone just waiting on a call. It's the holiday season right now, and most of us are spending quality time with family. It's easy to bash trackers that charge $400. All of us don't, but you get what you pay for. One day when you shoot a buck of a lifetime you will be glad there is someone who can bring a dog to find it for you. I promise you none of us are getting rich from tracking dogs. It costs a lot to train one and keep him ready throughout the year. Radio collars ain't cheap either. Me personally, I will bring my dog because I enjoy doing it. To me it's another form of hunting. I love working with my dog and making a hunters day by recovering their deer. Every person I know who is willing to take their dog out to find a strangers deer is a good person. The tracking list on here has prices that are all over the map. I suggest you find someone now that can come to your area that you can afford BEFORE you need the dog. Also know your neighbors. That's the key to any long tracking job. The tracker must have permission. Blood tracking dogs live to recover animals. We don't want to put our dog on a trail and have to pull him off because we ran out of tress passable land.
Well, bye! Seriously, did you even read his post or just get on here and run your mouth. Some people's kids, I swear.

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Old 12-28-2016, 12:17 AM   #241
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Agree...this deer was shot in the rear leg!

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Old 12-28-2016, 08:56 AM   #242
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I'm only posting because someone asked.

That blood from the OP is not lung blood. It is way too dark. Bubbles, as I've learned from Sika can be from a lot of things.

The floppy arrow - very little penetration.

The blood petering out indicates the wound sealed fairly quickly.

That deer is plenty alive and hiding.
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Old 12-28-2016, 09:30 AM   #243
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To bone and Ragin, I do not have any dogs anymore but I grew up behind a set of dogs in the woods anytime I got an opportunity. My buddies still have dogs and a couple of years ago won state in the TDHA tourney, Fatboy Outfitters, out of Lexington. I have never cut a fence, left beer cans in the woods, chased deer without burning up a dog then getting rid of it or the rest of the laundry list of things that hog doggers supposedly do wrong. I was being facetious about the common idea of hog doggers. Just like you said Ragin, its like comparing all hunters to poachers, Im sure there are guys that do cut fences and tear stuff up, I just have never hunted with them and have hunted all over the state behind dogs. I was simply making the point that a hunter in a blind 150 yds away, is not going to tell the difference between a tracking dog on a wounded deer and a hog dog trashing and pulling the trigger to rid that problem. That is all I was getting at, calm down, Ill stand behind a group of hog doggers in every argument. All is well.
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Old 12-28-2016, 09:57 AM   #244
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Hate to see the outcome on this one. Was hoping to see some pics of you with your deer. Maybe he'll show back up, if not, keep an eye out for vultures.
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Old 12-28-2016, 10:08 AM   #245
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Agree...this deer was shot in the rear leg!

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Thanks Courtney,
In between the opinions and judgements on this thread is some info that might make us all a little better at this.

Canny, please go find your buck.
Good luck!
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Old 12-28-2016, 10:12 AM   #246
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good luck
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Old 12-28-2016, 10:43 AM   #247
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I am not a rage hater butt from experience they do not perform dependability when making contact with the shoulder. They leave some good blood because of the large entrance wound but do not make it into the chest cavity. I hope this is not your situation. Good luck with your recovery.
I use Rage broadheads, Rage Hypodermics to be exact. I think that the models using the aluminum ferrules are not a very good option, and if contact with the shoulder was the case very well could have been cause for insufficient penetration as too much energy is transferred to the aluminum rather than plowing through the bone.
I've had no issues busting through bone with the hypos.
All of this is my opinion, I am in know way claiming to be an expert.
I hope you find him.
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Old 12-28-2016, 10:43 AM   #248
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updates? any luck
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Old 12-28-2016, 11:06 AM   #249
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I hope you find you deer. Please give us an update when you get a chance
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Old 12-28-2016, 01:06 PM   #250
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Good Luck! Most of here are not here to place judgement only to bask in your excitement, elation and recovery. Don't let the minority sour the good of the majority! Good Luck!!!
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