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Old 02-06-2019, 05:32 PM   #1
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Question No Hunter's Ed ticket?

Another thread got me reading the P&W code and I can't find anything in there about Hunter's ed requirements. I was wondering if anyone has gotten a ticket for that and , if so, what law was cited. I'm sure there is one, just dunno what it is.

And don't worry, I got my hunter's ed years ago.
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Old 02-06-2019, 05:37 PM   #2
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It's there--you just haven't found it.
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Old 02-06-2019, 05:39 PM   #3
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Interested as well. I have only heard the friend of a friend stories of how they got a ticket for not having it. I also heard (might have been the same story) that they will not accept your HE # on the hunting liscense and that you have to have the actual card. Surprisingly it was very easy for me to find and reprint it online.
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Old 02-06-2019, 05:43 PM   #4
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It's there--you just haven't found it.
I'm sure it is, but the wannabe lawyer in me wants to find a loophole
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Old 02-06-2019, 05:45 PM   #5
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https://statutes.capitol.texas.gov/D....62.htm#62.014
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Old 02-06-2019, 05:49 PM   #6
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Well I found it, sort of.

Its in the Texas Administrative Code, not the Parks and Wildlife code.

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(F) No person whose date of birth is after September 1, 1971 may hunt a wildlife resource by means of an arrow gun unless that person has successfully completed a department-approved hunter education course or is otherwise in compliance with the applicable requirements of 51.80 of this title (relating to Hunter Education Course and Instructors).
Another law is listed for hunting with an air gun, but I still haven't found a law that requires hunters ed while using a bow or gun.
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Old 02-06-2019, 05:50 PM   #7
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there we go. Thanks!

Disregard thread, I'm an idiot
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Old 02-06-2019, 05:51 PM   #8
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I read this whole thing and no where in there does it state that you have to have the actual card on you.

I also read that it said that active duty and Honorably discharged vets are exempt from taking the course. This is something I bet a lot of people do not know.
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Old 02-06-2019, 05:54 PM   #9
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I read this whole thing and no where in there does it state that you have to have the actual card on you.

I also read that it said that active duty and Honorably discharged vets are exempt from taking the course. This is something I bet a lot of people do not know.
The way the law is written, it allows for the commission or department to set regulations as they see fit, as it pertains to hunter's ed.

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The commission may provide that residents or nonresidents who have successfully completed the same or a comparable hunter education course and possess a certificate or other evidence of completion have satisfied the requirements imposed under this subsection.
The word "may" provides them a lot of leeway.
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Old 02-06-2019, 06:01 PM   #10
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The way the law is written, it allows for the commission or department to set regulations as they see fit, as it pertains to hunter's ed.



The word "may" provides them a lot of leeway.

It does say you have to have taken the course and provide proof. The proof is the number on your license. So what I was getting at is the link above still does not state that a card is required to be on your person. I carry mine all the time with my license in my wallet. I was just reading what in the link.
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Old 02-06-2019, 06:08 PM   #11
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It does say you have to have taken the course and provide proof. The proof is the number on your license. So what I was getting at is the link above still does not state that a card is required to be on your person. I carry mine all the time with my license in my wallet. I was just reading what in the link.
Correct, but when it says the commission "may" do something that is not a requirement by law. It means the commission may choose to enforce the code as they see fit. If it said "shall", they would have to do exactly as it says. Basically means TPWD can require you to have the card or not, but as with many other requirements, the ticket would probably get thrown out if you provided the card or other proof after the fact.
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Old 02-06-2019, 06:18 PM   #12
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From the hunting manual

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Old 02-06-2019, 06:24 PM   #13
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Correct, but when it says the commission "may" do something that is not a requirement by law. It means the commission may choose to enforce the code as they see fit. If it said "shall", they would have to do exactly as it says. Basically means TPWD can require you to have the card or not, but as with many other requirements, the ticket would probably get thrown out if you provided the card or other proof after the fact.


We are bantering about being on the same side. LOL....I agree that May is subjective. My point I guess is if they are going to require it they should put it in writing saying so. As it is there is a lot of grey area. I am in the majority that thinks of you have it why not carry it. Kinda like the hog hunting hunting question that keeps coming up. Do I have to have a license to hunt hogs only?


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Old 02-06-2019, 06:25 PM   #14
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I took my hunters safety out of state. Got a ticket for not carrying it with me. It was dismissed when I photo copied it and sent it to them. Always carry it with me now.
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Old 02-06-2019, 06:29 PM   #15
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We are bantering about being on the same side. LOL....I agree that May is subjective. My point I guess is if they are going to require it they should put it in writing saying so. As it is there is a lot of grey area. I am in the majority that thinks of you have it why not carry it. Kinda like the hog hunting hunting question that keeps coming up. Do I have to have a license to hunt hogs only?


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Bantering is only fun when you're on the same side!

Yup the hog hunting license thread is what made me start this one.
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Old 02-06-2019, 06:34 PM   #16
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Bantering is only fun when you're on the same side!



Yup the hog hunting license thread is what made me start this one.


LOL...nice.


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Old 02-06-2019, 06:45 PM   #17
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If you took hunters safety in New Mexico and buy a Texas resident hunting license it will not indicate that you have done hunters safety...a Federal game warden at Fort Hood almost got me for not having my new Mexico hunters safety card, however I had a copy in my permit binder in my truck..
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Old 02-06-2019, 06:54 PM   #18
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I got a ticket in 1996 on the north end of lake livingston duck hunting. Out of 4 people he only asked for mine. I think it was 75 bucks.
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Old 02-06-2019, 07:02 PM   #19
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I fall in the "Special ;-)" Category 0:-)

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Old 02-06-2019, 07:42 PM   #20
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We are bantering about being on the same side. LOL....I agree that May is subjective. My point I guess is if they are going to require it they should put it in writing saying so. As it is there is a lot of grey area. I am in the majority that thinks of you have it why not carry it. Kinda like the hog hunting hunting question that keeps coming up. Do I have to have a license to hunt hogs only?


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Old 02-06-2019, 08:40 PM   #21
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I took hunters ed in AG class when I was 15. Evidently it was never recorded. Since I am hard headed I got a ticket everytime I talked to a GW. I figured the fine was less oer hour than a weekend of my time. Last year I did it online and it was easy. No more tickets and I do not carry a card.

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Old 02-06-2019, 08:56 PM   #22
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I have hunters ed and was ticketed once for not having the card on me while hunting even though it is printed on my license. Ticket was dismissed when I sent in a copy of my card.
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Old 02-06-2019, 09:02 PM   #23
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I also read that it said that active duty and Honorably discharged vets are exempt from taking the course. This is something I bet a lot of people do not know.
Really, Ive taken the class 2xs and Im a vet!!!🤬
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Old 02-06-2019, 09:03 PM   #24
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Take a picture of it and keep it on your phone in case you lose it.
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Old 02-06-2019, 09:09 PM   #25
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Kind of related but I want to say that I had my hunt permit confiscated at Laguna Atascosa one time cause I had forgotten my hunter's ed card. I had to show up with the card to get my permit back. The guy said that I was lucky that one of the wardens didn't check me cause I would have gotten a ticket. This was years ago when You had to checkout after each hunt.
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Old 02-06-2019, 09:11 PM   #26
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Really, Ive taken the class 2xs and Im a vet!!!


Thats what it said in the link in post 4 or 5. I took it as well and Im a vet also. Why did you take the class twice?


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Old 02-06-2019, 09:11 PM   #27
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I have hunters ed and was ticketed once for not having the card on me while hunting even though it is printed on my license. Ticket was dismissed when I sent in a copy of my card.
You had an awesome GW for them to ticket you for not having the card, a little sarcasm there.
Ive never had an issue for just having my license and HE# on the license, knocking on wood.
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Old 02-06-2019, 09:13 PM   #28
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Kind of related but I want to say that I had my hunt permit confiscated at Laguna Atascosa one time cause I had forgotten my hunter's ed card. I had to show up with the card to get my permit back. The guy said that I was lucky that one of the wardens didn't check me cause I would have gotten a ticket. This was years ago when You had to checkout after each hunt.


I have been checked twice dove hunting and once while I was getting ice to ice down my deer at the store. None of them asked me for for my card. Probably because I had it in my wallet. LOL


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Old 02-06-2019, 09:16 PM   #29
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That’s what it said in the link in post 4 or 5. I took it as well and I’m a vet also. Why did you take the class twice?

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Old 02-06-2019, 10:03 PM   #30
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every once in a while its nice to be older
Us older folks don't have to have it.. Grandfather for Texans born before a certain date
Don't remember what that date is
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Old 02-06-2019, 10:35 PM   #31
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Still carry my hunter ed card from 96'
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Old 02-06-2019, 10:37 PM   #32
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If anyone needs the class, I have one coming up in July. Free class, free lunch, compliments of SCI Houston!
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Old 02-06-2019, 10:37 PM   #33
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For those of y'all that still carry your card. You can call TPWD and they'll link your HE to your license.

My HE# is printed on my license and is sufficient proof.
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Old 02-06-2019, 10:54 PM   #34
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Back around 2004 a friend got a ticket for not having HE. He called the court and they gave him a few weeks to take the class in exchange for dismissing the ticket.
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I'm sure it is, but the wannabe lawyer in me wants to find a loophole
Wannabe lawyer? What happened law school find out your parents were married before you were born? I hear thats instant disqualification.
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Old 02-06-2019, 11:26 PM   #36
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I was ticketed, lost my wallet and copy right before season open - new copy was in mail from Colorado
Took new copy to judge- dismissed
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Old 02-06-2019, 11:53 PM   #37
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Around 2012 we had a guy in our group pheasant hunting get a ticket for no hunters ed but he had never taken it.
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Old 02-07-2019, 12:32 AM   #38
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This what I have done for years. Every time I'm checked wardens says "have a good day". It's on my paper lic and lifetime lic.

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For those of y'all that still carry your card. You can call TPWD and they'll link your HE to your license.

My HE# is printed on my license and is sufficient proof.
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Old 02-07-2019, 07:14 AM   #39
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For those asking. My younger brother got just that ticket about 10 years ago.
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